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Part of the difficulty of getting through some stubborn hearts here seems to be that they think of "salvation" as some award that follows judgment, instead of an instant regeneration, new birth of the sinner right when he trusts Christ as Savior. That may be why some unsaved persons fixate on the judgment when salvation is mentioned, though salvation is not judgment nor the result of judgment.
Now salvation does determine in this age which judgment one goes to. If you die today you cannot go to the S & G judgment, as you have to be alive at the end of the Tribulation to experience the S & G judgment. If you die in this age you go to the Bema Judgment Seat of Christ (only for Christians, where the issue is rewards, not salvation) -- or you go to the Great White Throne Judgment from which you need asbestos clothes when your works are judged.
Perhaps those who confuse the S&G Judgment with salvation may get some light by observing that the question of water immersion is not mentioned! No one objects and says, "Hold on there, I was baptized, so at least I get water where I am going."
(BTW, if you are fixated on sprinkling, you are out of scripture all together, as no such thing exists in scripture; you're calling it "baptism" -- no translation at all -- doesn't make it baptism.)
By hiding behind the transliteration "baptism" it looks like the CoC-Campbellites & papists agree a lot on how to be saved; both wanting to add in the idol of water. But if they would say what they actually mean, the disagreement would be apparent.
Now salvation does determine in this age which judgment one goes to. If you die today you cannot go to the S & G judgment, as you have to be alive at the end of the Tribulation to experience the S & G judgment. If you die in this age you go to the Bema Judgment Seat of Christ (only for Christians, where the issue is rewards, not salvation) -- or you go to the Great White Throne Judgment from which you need asbestos clothes when your works are judged.
Perhaps those who confuse the S&G Judgment with salvation may get some light by observing that the question of water immersion is not mentioned! No one objects and says, "Hold on there, I was baptized, so at least I get water where I am going."
(BTW, if you are fixated on sprinkling, you are out of scripture all together, as no such thing exists in scripture; you're calling it "baptism" -- no translation at all -- doesn't make it baptism.)
By hiding behind the transliteration "baptism" it looks like the CoC-Campbellites & papists agree a lot on how to be saved; both wanting to add in the idol of water. But if they would say what they actually mean, the disagreement would be apparent.
P
Newbirth; As with any single verse or passage,
we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through
what we know the Bible teaches on the subject at hand.
In the case of "water baptism" and salvation,
While baptism is important as the sign
that one has been justified by faith
and as the public declaration of one’s faith in Christ
and membership in a local body of believers,
it is not the means of remission or forgiveness of sins.
The Bible is very clear that we are saved
by grace alone
through faith alone
in Christ alone
John 1:12; John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:21-30; Romans 4:5; Romans 10:9-10;
Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 3:9; Galatians 2:16).
Acts 3:19New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Repent, then,
and turn to God,
so that your sins may be wiped out,
that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
This is plain language that a Child could Understand
No Twisting the meaning of words
Or Adding the word "water baptism" is allowed...
Newbirth; you need to Realize that when this Scripture was written;
the Bible was Not yet put together
as we see it today.
More than likely; people did NOT here
every message as we can today.
When they heard
[SUP] [/SUP]Repent,
then,
and turn to God,
so that your sins may be wiped out,
that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
That is what they expected to do for their
Forgiveness of their Sins
As you See "water baptism" is Not mentioned
The Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ,
not by works of any kind, including "water baptism" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that "water baptism,"
or any other act, is necessary for salvation,
is a faulty interpretation.
we discern what it teaches by first filtering it through
what we know the Bible teaches on the subject at hand.
In the case of "water baptism" and salvation,
While baptism is important as the sign
that one has been justified by faith
and as the public declaration of one’s faith in Christ
and membership in a local body of believers,
it is not the means of remission or forgiveness of sins.
The Bible is very clear that we are saved
by grace alone
through faith alone
in Christ alone
John 1:12; John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:21-30; Romans 4:5; Romans 10:9-10;
Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 3:9; Galatians 2:16).
Acts 3:19New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Repent, then,
and turn to God,
so that your sins may be wiped out,
that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
This is plain language that a Child could Understand
No Twisting the meaning of words
Or Adding the word "water baptism" is allowed...
Newbirth; you need to Realize that when this Scripture was written;
the Bible was Not yet put together
as we see it today.
More than likely; people did NOT here
every message as we can today.
When they heard
[SUP] [/SUP]Repent,
then,
and turn to God,
so that your sins may be wiped out,
that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
That is what they expected to do for their
Forgiveness of their Sins
As you See "water baptism" is Not mentioned
The Bible is clear that salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ,
not by works of any kind, including "water baptism" (Ephesians 2:8-9).
So, any interpretation which comes to the conclusion that "water baptism,"
or any other act, is necessary for salvation,
is a faulty interpretation.
Atwood YOUR WORDS... "End of Time" is no where mentioned in the S & G judgment, nor to my knowledge anywhere is scripture. The Consummation of the age is mentioned, but not end of time in the Olivet Discourse. "Time shall be no more" -- out of context, means "There shall be no more delay," Check your Greek if you disagree.
I reply: With scriptures!!! 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
DO YOU SEE IT?? Jesus is coming back to JUDGE!!!!! The next time he comes he will come back to "JUDGE!"
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory
Atwood .. Scriptures are very, very clear... Jesus is JUDGING. (above). he separates the people. He brings the Sheep UP to heaven because they DO NOT have Faith ALONE!
Jesus sends the "Faith ALONE people down to Satan because they have only "Faith ALONE"! Jesus is JUDGING the nations!
>>> YOU ARE WRONG <<< you have to reject the scriptures to say what your said!!!
Yes: For grace you have been saved through faith!!!
NOT Faith ALONE!
Not of WORKS of the LAW!
Atwood .. GIVING from the heart is NOT WORK>> It is GIVING!!!!!!!!
Giving is NOT working for a wage!!
The SHEEP "GIVE" they are NOT WORKING! The Sheep go to heaven because of their "Good Works"!
Atwood .. Good works are ACTIONS of the heart!!!
‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat
Faith PLUS "Good Works" as Ephesians tells you>> You are to do Good Works!
You cannot be RIGHTEOUS without doing RIGHT!
The Sheep DO RIGHT so they are JUDGED to Go to heaven!
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
These are your words... Initially the sinner who has no good works is declared righteous (justified) by faith alone.
I Reply: You are WRONG>>> Satan has tricked you!
Faith ALONE is not in the scriptures! Martin Luther introduced this teaching sixteen hundred years AFTER Jesus!
Atwood .. NO WHERE NO PLACE can you find "Faith ALONE" teaching in the scriptures!!!
Faith YES Not "Faith ALONE saves" This is a LIE from Satin himself.. Many Protestant souls have ended up with Satan because of this LIE!!
Gods words... 1 John 3:7
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
The one who does what is right is righteous!!!!
DOING RIGHT makes a person RIGHTEOUS! The Sheep are saved because they are RIGHTEOUS!!
Sheep>> “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry....1 John 2:29
If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him.
Atwood (above) God' CHILDREN are those who DO RIGHT they are RIGHTEOUS!!!
The RIGHTEOUS are saved!!!
Jesus came to save SINNERS!!!
Abraham was saved because he was RIGHTEOUS!
Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.
Atwood DOING RIGHT SAVES MEN!!
I reply: With scriptures!!! 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne.32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
DO YOU SEE IT?? Jesus is coming back to JUDGE!!!!! The next time he comes he will come back to "JUDGE!"
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory
Atwood .. Scriptures are very, very clear... Jesus is JUDGING. (above). he separates the people. He brings the Sheep UP to heaven because they DO NOT have Faith ALONE!
Jesus sends the "Faith ALONE people down to Satan because they have only "Faith ALONE"! Jesus is JUDGING the nations!
>>> YOU ARE WRONG <<< you have to reject the scriptures to say what your said!!!
Yes: For grace you have been saved through faith!!!
NOT Faith ALONE!
Not of WORKS of the LAW!
Atwood .. GIVING from the heart is NOT WORK>> It is GIVING!!!!!!!!
Giving is NOT working for a wage!!
The SHEEP "GIVE" they are NOT WORKING! The Sheep go to heaven because of their "Good Works"!
Atwood .. Good works are ACTIONS of the heart!!!
‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat
Faith PLUS "Good Works" as Ephesians tells you>> You are to do Good Works!
You cannot be RIGHTEOUS without doing RIGHT!
The Sheep DO RIGHT so they are JUDGED to Go to heaven!
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
These are your words... Initially the sinner who has no good works is declared righteous (justified) by faith alone.
I Reply: You are WRONG>>> Satan has tricked you!
Faith ALONE is not in the scriptures! Martin Luther introduced this teaching sixteen hundred years AFTER Jesus!
Atwood .. NO WHERE NO PLACE can you find "Faith ALONE" teaching in the scriptures!!!
Faith YES Not "Faith ALONE saves" This is a LIE from Satin himself.. Many Protestant souls have ended up with Satan because of this LIE!!
Gods words... 1 John 3:7
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
The one who does what is right is righteous!!!!
DOING RIGHT makes a person RIGHTEOUS! The Sheep are saved because they are RIGHTEOUS!!
Sheep>> “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry....1 John 2:29
If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him.
Atwood (above) God' CHILDREN are those who DO RIGHT they are RIGHTEOUS!!!
The RIGHTEOUS are saved!!!
Jesus came to save SINNERS!!!
Abraham was saved because he was RIGHTEOUS!
Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.
Atwood DOING RIGHT SAVES MEN!!
Atwood your words... Part of the difficulty of getting through some stubborn hearts here seems to be that they think of "salvation" as some award that follows judgment, instead of an instant regeneration, new birth of the sinner right when he trusts Christ as Savior. That may be why some unsaved persons fixate on the judgment when salvation is mentioned, though salvation is not judgment nor the result of judgment.
I reply: Post the scriptures!!!
Post the scriptures that say "Saved by Faith >ALONE<!"
Post the scriptures that say "Alter Call (sinners Prayer saves)"!
1 Timothy 2:15
But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
QUESTION: Does "Childbearing save"!
QUESTION: Does LOVE SAVE!?
Luke 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
QUESTION: Can Jesus LIE!?
QUESTION: Do the Goats have "Faith ALONE"? In Matthew 25!?
QUESTION: Do the Sheep have "Faith ALONE"?!
‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat..
Post the scriptures NOT made up junk!!!
Answer the questions Yes or no answers will do!
I reply: Post the scriptures!!!
Post the scriptures that say "Saved by Faith >ALONE<!"
Post the scriptures that say "Alter Call (sinners Prayer saves)"!
1 Timothy 2:15
But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
QUESTION: Does "Childbearing save"!
QUESTION: Does LOVE SAVE!?
Luke 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
QUESTION: Can Jesus LIE!?
QUESTION: Do the Goats have "Faith ALONE"? In Matthew 25!?
QUESTION: Do the Sheep have "Faith ALONE"?!
‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat..
Post the scriptures NOT made up junk!!!
Answer the questions Yes or no answers will do!
YES....
The Apostles were Baptized in water!
Because they BAPTIZED with water, they must have accepted Water Baptism!
FACT: The Apostles used Water to Baptize!
22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.
Jesus accepted Water Baptism because it was very important!
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
As SOON meaning NOT before!!!
God makes himself know AS SOON as Jesus was baptized IN WATER!!
Jesus PLEASES God AS SOON as he is Baptized in WATER!!!!
The Apostles were Baptized in water!
Because they BAPTIZED with water, they must have accepted Water Baptism!
FACT: The Apostles used Water to Baptize!
22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.
Jesus accepted Water Baptism because it was very important!
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
As SOON meaning NOT before!!!
God makes himself know AS SOON as Jesus was baptized IN WATER!!
Jesus PLEASES God AS SOON as he is Baptized in WATER!!!!
THINK: TO BELIEVE in Jesus means you MUST believe the words of Jesus!
Jesus is THE WORD!!!!!!
To believe in Jesus The WORD you MUST believe the WORDS of Jesus! You MUST believe the scriptures to be a believer!
The man placing their salvation on "Restoring a Church" MUST reject Jesus' words, he said "He is ALWAYS with his Church to the end of time!"
He said; "Baptism makes disciples of all nations!"
Baptism saves because "Disciples are in Jesus family, they are thus God' children!
"Pointing to his disciples he said; Here are my brothers"!
John 3:16 You MUST believe Jesus words!
John 3 ends with, Jesus lamenting his words are not believed!
Jesus is THE WORD!!!!!!
To believe in Jesus The WORD you MUST believe the WORDS of Jesus! You MUST believe the scriptures to be a believer!
The man placing their salvation on "Restoring a Church" MUST reject Jesus' words, he said "He is ALWAYS with his Church to the end of time!"
He said; "Baptism makes disciples of all nations!"
Baptism saves because "Disciples are in Jesus family, they are thus God' children!
"Pointing to his disciples he said; Here are my brothers"!
John 3:16 You MUST believe Jesus words!
John 3 ends with, Jesus lamenting his words are not believed!
K
When did Jesus say you must be baptized in fact I do not recall Jesus baptizing anyone. I do recall Him turning to the theif and saying today you will be with me in Paradise. Dude calm down and have some tea we are not at war, we are brothers discussing different views and who knows when see it in a new light it may cause understanding and growth.
Look, it is impossible to keep God's word by our own strength if we could then there would have been no need for the cross. We would just keep law and go forward, but no man could keep it and we needed a Savior. That Savior is not head bobbing, it the the work of the cross and the blood that flowed from it.
When we place our faith in the cross and not our own works the Holy Spirit causes us to keep His word and grow in His word. If our faith gets shifted from the cross and placed on something we do, the Holy Spirit backs of as He will only work in faith in the cross and nothing else (Romans 6 and 7). Placing faith in water baptism is false doctrine and leading the sheep astray either knowingly or unknowingly. Telling people what you have been erroneously taught is the same as false doctrine.
I meant do you tote a five gallon bucket of water to the hospital to tell a person on their death bed about Jesus and say hold on till I dunk you in it?
Look, it is impossible to keep God's word by our own strength if we could then there would have been no need for the cross. We would just keep law and go forward, but no man could keep it and we needed a Savior. That Savior is not head bobbing, it the the work of the cross and the blood that flowed from it.
When we place our faith in the cross and not our own works the Holy Spirit causes us to keep His word and grow in His word. If our faith gets shifted from the cross and placed on something we do, the Holy Spirit backs of as He will only work in faith in the cross and nothing else (Romans 6 and 7). Placing faith in water baptism is false doctrine and leading the sheep astray either knowingly or unknowingly. Telling people what you have been erroneously taught is the same as false doctrine.
I meant do you tote a five gallon bucket of water to the hospital to tell a person on their death bed about Jesus and say hold on till I dunk you in it?
You guys still don't know what the water part of baptism is? Here you go 
(Act 8:35)
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
(Act 8:36)
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
(Act 8:37)
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
(Act 8:38)
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
(Act 8:35)
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
(Act 8:36)
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
(Act 8:37)
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
(Act 8:38)
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
When did Jesus say you must be baptized in fact I do not recall Jesus baptizing anyone.
All scriptures is the words of Jesus!
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
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All scriptures is the words of Jesus!
We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
&
All scriptures is the words of Jesus!
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
&
All scriptures is the words of Jesus!
for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
All scriptures is the words of Jesus!
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ
&
All scriptures is the words of Jesus!
We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
&
All scriptures is the words of Jesus!
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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All scriptures is the words of Jesus!
for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
T
() inside these is where I explain scripture.
Acts 2: [SUP]36 [/SUP]Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? (They were asking what to do to be saved!!)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (And is a conjunction joining repentance and baptism together to remit sins!!)
[SUP]39 [/SUP]For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. (There on that day of Pentecost were Peter, John and the rest of the disciples and believe me they gladly received his word and this scripture says those that gladly received were baptized!!!)
T
Your last line is what sparks me to write a reply. I can't honestly bring myself to believe in Death Bed Repentance. I shot and killed hundreds of people, stomped on innocent babies until they were no longer alive and burned down villages, but God I am about to die on my death bed please forgive me and save me. There is no passage anywhere that would uphold the faith and hope of such people. What makes one think he can be stubborn and rebellious to God's laws all his life and at the last minute repent and God will accept him?
Atwood posted: "End of Time" is no where mentioned in the S & G judgment, nor to my knowledge anywhere is scripture. The Consummation of the age is mentioned, but not end of time in the Olivet Discourse. "Time shall be no more" -- out of context, means "There shall be no more delay," Check your Greek if you disagree."
The retort was given:
It does not say "end of time!!!"
[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]It does not say "end of time!!!"
[/QUOTE]Scriptures are very, very clear... Jesus is JUDGING. (above). he separates the people. He brings the Sheep UP to heaven because they DO NOT have Faith ALONE![/quote]
"Heaven" is not mentioned. Scripture is clear. What is astounding is that you quote scripture which does not prove your point at all. The word "because" is not in the passage. Works do bear evidence of salvation, though "salvation" is not mentioned in the passage. And as scripture is very, very clear on, the order is 1) by grace through faith, 2) salvation, 3) works. By their fruits you shall know them. But bearing fruits does not make a tree a fruit-bearing tree. The nature of the tree causes the fruit; then the fruit can be judged. The tree gets saved from being non-fruit bearing to fruit-bearing (change of nature) before any fruit & before any judgment.
There is nothing in the S&G judgment about the Goats having faith. Such a statement is a satanic lie!
Yes, FAITH ALONE, as Repeated over & over in the Bible. Salvation is offered for man having faith alone & nothing else.
NO WATER & NO WORKS. NO SPRINKLING & NO PAPAL ORGANIZATION!
It is not merely "works of the law" which cannot save; it is works inclusive.
As Scripture says, there is none who works good works, no not one. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. All the unsaved man's works do is condemn him. That is why he cannot be saved by his filthy works.
You fantastically claim that giving gifts from the heart is not a work, but giving gifts is definitely works, as 2 Corinthians says:
6 But this I say, He that soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he that soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7 Let each man do according as he hath purposed in his heart: not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound unto you; that ye, having always all sufficiency in everything, may abound unto every good work: 9 as it is written,
He hath scattered abroad, he hath given to the poor;
His righteousness abideth for ever.
Eph is very clear that by grace one is saved through faith, . . . not of works lest anyone should boast. The works follow salvation which follows works. You have it out of order.
May you be unblinded. It is most clear, as posted, that faith/belief alone saves, nothing else in the offer of the Lord, over & over again.
False; Abraham was unrighteous; he put His faith in God; upon that faith He was declared righteous.
False. Men do not do right. There is none who does good, no not one. Salvation takes the sinner who does not do right & changes the nature of the man by a new birth so that then he starts to do right.
PROOF OF THE ABOVE:
1 Pet 3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
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Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
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JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
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Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
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Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
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1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
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Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
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1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
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John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
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1 John 5:10-12
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in him: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he hath not believed in the witness that God hath borne concerning his Son. And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath the life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not the life.
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Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto YHWH;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.
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Acts 15:8
And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
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Acts 26:18b
they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
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Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
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Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
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23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
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27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
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Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
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4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
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6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
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10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
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14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
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17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
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Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
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Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
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Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
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For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
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The retort was given:
It does not say "end of time!!!"
[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR]It does not say "end of time!!!"
[/QUOTE]Scriptures are very, very clear... Jesus is JUDGING. (above). he separates the people. He brings the Sheep UP to heaven because they DO NOT have Faith ALONE![/quote]
"Heaven" is not mentioned. Scripture is clear. What is astounding is that you quote scripture which does not prove your point at all. The word "because" is not in the passage. Works do bear evidence of salvation, though "salvation" is not mentioned in the passage. And as scripture is very, very clear on, the order is 1) by grace through faith, 2) salvation, 3) works. By their fruits you shall know them. But bearing fruits does not make a tree a fruit-bearing tree. The nature of the tree causes the fruit; then the fruit can be judged. The tree gets saved from being non-fruit bearing to fruit-bearing (change of nature) before any fruit & before any judgment.
There is nothing in the S&G judgment about the Goats having faith. Such a statement is a satanic lie!
Yes, FAITH ALONE, as Repeated over & over in the Bible. Salvation is offered for man having faith alone & nothing else.
NO WATER & NO WORKS. NO SPRINKLING & NO PAPAL ORGANIZATION!
It is not merely "works of the law" which cannot save; it is works inclusive.
As Scripture says, there is none who works good works, no not one. All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. All the unsaved man's works do is condemn him. That is why he cannot be saved by his filthy works.
You fantastically claim that giving gifts from the heart is not a work, but giving gifts is definitely works, as 2 Corinthians says:
6 But this I say, He that soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he that soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7 Let each man do according as he hath purposed in his heart: not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound unto you; that ye, having always all sufficiency in everything, may abound unto every good work: 9 as it is written,
He hath scattered abroad, he hath given to the poor;
His righteousness abideth for ever.
Eph is very clear that by grace one is saved through faith, . . . not of works lest anyone should boast. The works follow salvation which follows works. You have it out of order.
May you be unblinded. It is most clear, as posted, that faith/belief alone saves, nothing else in the offer of the Lord, over & over again.
False; Abraham was unrighteous; he put His faith in God; upon that faith He was declared righteous.
False. Men do not do right. There is none who does good, no not one. Salvation takes the sinner who does not do right & changes the nature of the man by a new birth so that then he starts to do right.
PROOF OF THE ABOVE:
1 Pet 3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
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John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
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1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
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Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
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JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.
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Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: 16 howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
1 Tim 1:15-17
Faithful is the saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief: howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me as chief might Jesus Christ show forth all his longsuffering, for an ensample of them that should thereafter believe on him unto eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, thou and thy house.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 10:27
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who hath given them unto me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
1 John 5:10-12
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in him: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he hath not believed in the witness that God hath borne concerning his Son. And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath the life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not the life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto YHWH;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 15:8
And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Acts 26:18b
they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
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Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
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Kerry .. Jesus resurrected from The CROSS!!!
Stay with me on this....
THINK: All IN Jesus' resurrected body cannot die! Logic alone: No man can die twice! You can't even kill a stinking dog twice!!!
FACT: One death for each man!!
FACT: Jesus died for all to see!!!! Jesus DIED! It is just this simple, you cannot lose sight of a man UP ON A CROSS> For all to see! Jesus' DEATH was NOT HIDDEN!!!
Kerry .. ALL men die but only Jesus rose! IF You have been ADDED to Jesus' RESURRECTED BODY, you will not die IF "IN JESUS!
THINK: Jesus cannot die again!!
You have to be ADDED to Jesus' resurrected body to LIVE FOREVER IN THE KINGDOM!
Christians are reminded of the RESURRECTION when they make the sign of the cross, when they see a cross!
How does Baptism save???? It saves you by ADDING you to the RISEN body of Jesus!
Acts 4:2
They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people, proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead.
1 Peter 3:21
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Baptism saves YOU!! God tells you (above)! It saves you because, you are ADDED to the RESURRECTION of Jesus! It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
THINK: The Church Jesus established has ALWAYS baptized with WATER!
All the Early Church Father's baptized with WATER!!
The Early Church Fathers tell you; "Jesus taught; Waster Baptism saves"!
The Orthodox broke from the Catholic Church until they broke there was JUST the one and ONLY Church, the Catholic Church! The Orthodox Church today still baptize with WATER! PROVING the Church Jesus established has always baptized with water and they UNDERSTOOD from Jesus: Baptism saves!
Sixteen Hundred years AFTER Jesus Martin Luther was baptizing with WATER!
A established DOCUMENTED FACT: Christians have ALWAYS baptized with WATER to save!
Martin Luther was a False teacher; He taught "We don't need no church and her sacraments all we need is Faith ALONE"! He rejected the One Church Jesus established and Jesus' words the Scriptures, to teach his HERESIES! You CANNOT deny documented HISTORY!
Kerry . You mention the "Thief on the Cross"!!!
THINK: This man did not enter the Kingdom he was NOT BAPTIZED! The Thief died before Pentecost, he died before the Church was EMPOWERED to make DISCIPLES by baptism!
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you,no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
DO YOU SEE IT??!! Jesus is clear: Proven by scriptures!!! The Thief did NOT enter the KINGDOM!!! The Thief ended up in a GARDEN!! Paradise is NOT the KINGDOM!! Paradise is a GARDEN! The Apostles are sitting on thrones in the Throne room!! The Apostles were Baptized proven by, they are NOT in a Garden!!
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
LOOK.. Revelations 2:7
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
Kerry QUESTION: Where is "the Tree Of Life"?! (above)
LOOK John the Baptist also died before Pentecost!!!!!
Luke 7:28
I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
Kerry . QUESTION: Did John enter the Kingdom!!!?
Was John re-BORN by the Church or Just Born of Woman!! Read Luke 7:28 again!!
The Thief and John the Baptist entered Paradise >>A GARDEN<< NOT the KINGDOM!!!
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
NO ONE enters The KINGDOM; unless ADDED to the RESURRECTED Body of Jesus by BAPTISM!!!
Kerry . No one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
John was NOT baptized he was without sin by he had NOT been baptized by God and his Church!
Stay with me on this....
THINK: All IN Jesus' resurrected body cannot die! Logic alone: No man can die twice! You can't even kill a stinking dog twice!!!
FACT: One death for each man!!
FACT: Jesus died for all to see!!!! Jesus DIED! It is just this simple, you cannot lose sight of a man UP ON A CROSS> For all to see! Jesus' DEATH was NOT HIDDEN!!!
Kerry .. ALL men die but only Jesus rose! IF You have been ADDED to Jesus' RESURRECTED BODY, you will not die IF "IN JESUS!
THINK: Jesus cannot die again!!
You have to be ADDED to Jesus' resurrected body to LIVE FOREVER IN THE KINGDOM!
Christians are reminded of the RESURRECTION when they make the sign of the cross, when they see a cross!
How does Baptism save???? It saves you by ADDING you to the RISEN body of Jesus!
Acts 4:2
They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people, proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead.
1 Peter 3:21
and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Baptism saves YOU!! God tells you (above)! It saves you because, you are ADDED to the RESURRECTION of Jesus! It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
THINK: The Church Jesus established has ALWAYS baptized with WATER!
All the Early Church Father's baptized with WATER!!
The Early Church Fathers tell you; "Jesus taught; Waster Baptism saves"!
The Orthodox broke from the Catholic Church until they broke there was JUST the one and ONLY Church, the Catholic Church! The Orthodox Church today still baptize with WATER! PROVING the Church Jesus established has always baptized with water and they UNDERSTOOD from Jesus: Baptism saves!
Sixteen Hundred years AFTER Jesus Martin Luther was baptizing with WATER!
A established DOCUMENTED FACT: Christians have ALWAYS baptized with WATER to save!
Martin Luther was a False teacher; He taught "We don't need no church and her sacraments all we need is Faith ALONE"! He rejected the One Church Jesus established and Jesus' words the Scriptures, to teach his HERESIES! You CANNOT deny documented HISTORY!
Kerry . You mention the "Thief on the Cross"!!!
THINK: This man did not enter the Kingdom he was NOT BAPTIZED! The Thief died before Pentecost, he died before the Church was EMPOWERED to make DISCIPLES by baptism!
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you,no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
DO YOU SEE IT??!! Jesus is clear: Proven by scriptures!!! The Thief did NOT enter the KINGDOM!!! The Thief ended up in a GARDEN!! Paradise is NOT the KINGDOM!! Paradise is a GARDEN! The Apostles are sitting on thrones in the Throne room!! The Apostles were Baptized proven by, they are NOT in a Garden!!
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
LOOK.. Revelations 2:7
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
Kerry QUESTION: Where is "the Tree Of Life"?! (above)
LOOK John the Baptist also died before Pentecost!!!!!
Luke 7:28
I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
Kerry . QUESTION: Did John enter the Kingdom!!!?
Was John re-BORN by the Church or Just Born of Woman!! Read Luke 7:28 again!!
The Thief and John the Baptist entered Paradise >>A GARDEN<< NOT the KINGDOM!!!
John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.
NO ONE enters The KINGDOM; unless ADDED to the RESURRECTED Body of Jesus by BAPTISM!!!
Kerry . No one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
John was NOT baptized he was without sin by he had NOT been baptized by God and his Church!
Atwood YOU SAID.... It does not say "end of time!!!"
I reply: At the end of time...Jesus is coming back to JUDGE! This is in scriptures!!!
In the Sheep & Goats story Matthew 25 "Jesus is JUDGING!!!!" Thus an IDIOT can see it is the END TIMES without having to read, end times! DUH!!
Jesus is dividing the saved from the unsaved right at the start of the S&G story! Jesus JUDGING the NATIONS!!!
SCRIPTURES say: Jesus will come back to JUDGE AT THE END TIMES!!!!
Clearly Jesus is judging protestants as condemned because, they believe in "Faith ALONE", these Goats are trusting in their Faith ALONE they are sent to the eternal fire with Demons and Satan!
Demons have Faith ALONE ALSO!!!
James 2:18
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
James is very clear.. What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.
In the S&G story the Sheep do just this, they Feed and GIVE Clothes to Jesus!
The Protestant GOATS Have faith but has no deeds!!!
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Jesus is JUDGING!!![/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]It is END TIMES!!![/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]When Jesus returns he will return to JUDGE!!!! [/FONT]
I reply: At the end of time...Jesus is coming back to JUDGE! This is in scriptures!!!
In the Sheep & Goats story Matthew 25 "Jesus is JUDGING!!!!" Thus an IDIOT can see it is the END TIMES without having to read, end times! DUH!!
Jesus is dividing the saved from the unsaved right at the start of the S&G story! Jesus JUDGING the NATIONS!!!
SCRIPTURES say: Jesus will come back to JUDGE AT THE END TIMES!!!!
Clearly Jesus is judging protestants as condemned because, they believe in "Faith ALONE", these Goats are trusting in their Faith ALONE they are sent to the eternal fire with Demons and Satan!
Demons have Faith ALONE ALSO!!!
James 2:18
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
James is very clear.. What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.
In the S&G story the Sheep do just this, they Feed and GIVE Clothes to Jesus!
The Protestant GOATS Have faith but has no deeds!!!
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Jesus is JUDGING!!![/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]It is END TIMES!!![/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]When Jesus returns he will return to JUDGE!!!! [/FONT]
AtwoodYou said.. There is nothing saying the Goats had Faith!!!
I reply: You can't be more wrong!!!! Both had FAITH!!!
BOTH the Sheep and the Goats address Jesus as "LORD"!
BOTH understand Jesus is LORD!
Sheep: "LORD when did we GIVE YOU..." etc!!!
Goats: "LORD when did we NOT GIVE YOU.." etc!!!
The ONLY...
The only difference in the whole story between the two is the GIVING and NOT GIVING!
Both have FAITH but the Sheep have faith PLUS Good works of their heart!
The Goats have faith ALONE.. NO GIVING to Jesus NO Good works!
SHEEP... 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
GOATS.. 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
It is their ACTIONS of love that save the Sheep!
It the IN ACTION of the Protestants that CONDEMN them! They have ONLY their no LOVE!
I reply: You can't be more wrong!!!! Both had FAITH!!!
BOTH the Sheep and the Goats address Jesus as "LORD"!
BOTH understand Jesus is LORD!
Sheep: "LORD when did we GIVE YOU..." etc!!!
Goats: "LORD when did we NOT GIVE YOU.." etc!!!
The ONLY...
The only difference in the whole story between the two is the GIVING and NOT GIVING!
Both have FAITH but the Sheep have faith PLUS Good works of their heart!
The Goats have faith ALONE.. NO GIVING to Jesus NO Good works!
SHEEP... 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
GOATS.. 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
It is their ACTIONS of love that save the Sheep!
It the IN ACTION of the Protestants that CONDEMN them! They have ONLY their no LOVE!
Dog, can't you see how your reply is bogus. The text does NOT say END OF TIME. And it is not in scriptures that at the end of time the Lord Jesus is coming back to judge. You cannot quote one verse for that one. So give it up & retract. and BTW, I just searched the ASV for "end of time" and got the notice that that word string is not in the Bible. So give it up & retract.
Duh, yes He is judging, but it is NOT AT THE END OF TIMES. So stop repeating the falsehood. Turn on your spiritual ears for a moment. There are other judgments in the Bible, as for example, the Bema Judgment Seat of Christ and the Great White Throne Judgment. And none of them are said to be at the "end of times."
The word "saved" does not occur in the S & G Judgment; nor Savior, nor save, nor salvation. So give that one up. He judges the Gentile nations for how they treated his brothers during the Tribulation; read the context. Olivet Discourse in Matthew is chapters 24-25. I'll bet you never even noticed that there are 3 groups mentioned, not just 2.
Why keep repeating the falsehoods. The goats are never said to have had faith in the Lord Jesus as Savior. "trusting in their Faith" is not in the passage anywhere. Quote it or retract.
Stop making things up. Scripture nowhere says that demons have faith in God. They believe that He exists -- quite a different matter. You don't even seem to understand the doctrine you argue against. Faith alone does not mean "believe that" alone. Saving faith is not believing that something is so, but trusting the Savior. There is no issue of demons trusting the Lord Jesus for salvation. Christ didn't die for demons & does not offer them salvation. Christ did not become a demon, for crying out loud, & go to the cross for them. Christ became a man. Now He says to trust Me. Thou shalt call HIs name Jesus for He shall save His people from their sins. You must drop any self-righteous pride in non-existent good works & cry out, GOD BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER. Confess you have no good works; confess that all your supposed righteousnesses are as filthy rags; then commit your destiny into the nail-pierced hands; depend upon Him to do the saving.
It is a judgment, and judgment is by works. It is not salvation. It is specifically Christ's brethren in the Tribulation who were fed, like some Dutch did to the Jews when the Nazis were persecuting the Jews. And nobody who dies today goes to the S& G Judgment anyway; it comes at the end of the Tribulation for those who go through the Tribulation. Stop arguing long enough to read Mat 24-25 as a whole.
Protestant is beside the point. The gospel is to whosoever believes, everyone who believes gets eternal life. In that it is whosoever, everyone, & anyone, nothing essential can be added to the advertisement besides trusting the Savior. Repent of idolatry, mariolatry, worshipping saints, considering water a Savior. That is goatism. Yes, the papists have deeds, namely raping children. If ever you could know someone by their fruits, thus one can know papists.
Utter nonsense. Whom do you think you will convince by repeating such nonsense? Addressing the Lord Jesus as Lord does not imply that they trust Him as Savior. They never had faith in the Lord Jesus. They do have to acknowledge that He is Lord in court. Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Give up the bogus argument. "Faith" is not mentioned in the judgment, neither is salvation.
Judgment is by works, but
salvation is by grace through faith.
For $64,000 quote any verse in that judgment that says, SAVE!
SAVE is nowhere.
Salvation is not by works, giving is a work.
The order is 1) sinful man without any good works (just filthy rags)
2) trust the Savior & get a new birth & a new nature.
3) do good works.
The works don't save; they are the result of salvation.
By your fruit shall they know you.
There are no Protestants in the verses. You have no evidence that during the tribulation those who help Christ's brethren are papists.
It is clear that non-papists helped the Jews during the Nazi persecution,while the pope had a concord with the pope.
You also may think erroneously that all who don't submit to the pope or the patriarchs are protestants.
There are not Prots in Mat 25. You accomplish nothing but make your arguments look foolish by inserting them in the text.
More Salvation by Faith only verses: These from ROMANS & 1 COR
Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
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Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;
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23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
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27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
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Rom 4:1ff
:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
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4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
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6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
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10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
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14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
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17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
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Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
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Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
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Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
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For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
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1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
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