Baptismal Regeneration - Excerpts by Charles Spurgeon

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zone

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Well, 'ole Johnny Mac is one of zone's favorite teachers.;)
motive?
made clear.

i listen to MacArthur on cessationism. that's it.
you should too.
 

zone

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Not that I profess to be a greek scholar but the word used for baptize in this passage does not lend itself to water baptism.
try reading the whole NT.
they all baptized in water.


Christ baptized His disciples who were His witnesses...with POWER from on High.
you weren't there.
 

zone

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If you're going to link baptism to a cause of salvation, by isolating this verse from the overall Bible context of how salvation works, then don't you also have to tie "repent" to a cause of salvation too?

Those saying that baptism saves, also argue that faith and justification come before repentance. But if you isolate this verse from the overall context of scripture it looks as if repentance is one of the first things to happen.

Also, how can a baby repent without first having God infuse faith?

I just see a lot of problems when you isolate this verse from the overall context of the Bible.

You end up with babies who are able to repent, and you end up with repentance coming before the infusion of grace/faith. Most folks who believe in infant baptism believe repentance is a fruit of infused grace/faith. But this verse alone looks more like repentance comes before those.
two words:

New Covenant.
 

zone

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Another concerning thing with me as I continue to wrestle with and struggle with these tough verses which appear to link baptism to salvation, is that so many seem to be interpreting through the lens of a secular, anti-supernatural bias. And as I stated in my previous post, others are reading these verses without tying them to the overall context of how God works grace/faith/salvation/forgiveness/repentance in the heart.

Those in favor of infant baptism actually sound more like Arminians, because they're bold about verses that show repentance as a first cause that comes before justification.
New Covenant - for you and your children.

He assumed the children would remain the faith - as Paul exhorted Timothy to do.

do not forbid the little children (greek: infants) from coming to Me - the Kingdom is made up of such as these.
Israel knew what He was talking about....they were baptized first.

New Covenant.

Matthew 28
18And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

that's what He said.
it's plain.

i don't really care if people believe God saves infants.

what i care about is if they make light of baptism....though i care less and less each day.
my world gets smaller...every day.
 
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Water baptism is nothing more then an outward profession of an inward faith. and secondly Christ did not baptize anyone. His disciples did. "born of water" refers to natural birth. "born of fire" refers to the baptism of the holy spirit.
 

zone

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"born of water" refers to natural birth.
does it?

amazing....born of water is the amniotic fluid.

okay.....we have (it seems) roughly 6 definitions of baptism at this point.
 

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Christ did not baptize anyone. His disciples did.
wait...i thought it was Holy Ghost baptism.

Christ didnt baptize anyone (Holy Ghost)....but His disciples did?
 

zone

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STOP BAPTIZING PEOPLE IN WATER.

STOP IT.

if it's nothing, and there is only one baptism....STOP.
 
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wait...i thought it was Holy Ghost baptism.

Christ didnt baptize anyone (Holy Ghost)....but His disciples did?
I was referring to water baptism. Christ did not baptize any with water. He baptized all believers with the Holy Spirit
 

zone

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Water baptism is nothing more then an outward profession of an inward faith.
is that what Peter said?

1 Peter 3
21Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.
 
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STOP BAPTIZING PEOPLE IN WATER.

STOP IT.

if it's nothing, and there is only one baptism....STOP.
Stop asking people to publicly profess their faith?

"If any deny Me before man I will deny them before the Father"
 
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is that what Peter said?

1 Peter 3
21Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Then we must all have it wrong.... we are saved by works not faith.....
 

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I was referring to water baptism. Christ did not baptize any with water. He baptized all believers with the Holy Spirit
Luke 24
48"You are witnesses of these things. 49"And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."

were you there?
 
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but His disciples did? why? THERE'S ONLY ONE. unless Paul got it wrong.



no He didn't.
you weren't there at Pentecost.
You weren't either. However my bible says that all that BELIEVED were baptized with the Holy Spirit over 300 or so.... i will look up the passage
 

zone

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Then we must all have it wrong.... we are saved by works not faith.....
works?
were you baptized in water?

WHY?

apparently we do not believe God works the way He said He does.

Jesus said baptize them even though He knew that was OUR works, and would condemn us.
 
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Luke 24
48"You are witnesses of these things. 49"And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."

were you there?
power from on high= Baptisim of Holy Spirit. not water baptisim. I don't have to be there to have faith in what His Word says
 

zone

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power from on high= Baptisim of Holy Spirit. not water baptisim. I don't have to be there to have faith in what His Word says
you can't perform miracles, you were not a witness of His resurrection, you were not personally called, and unless i got it wrong, you are not the foundation of the church, along with the Chief Cornerstone.

can i see your inspired letters? or are we laying a foundation every day?