Baptismal Regeneration of Infants

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Baptismal Regeneration of infants

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Nov 14, 2012
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although we do baptize babies at the church we attend.

it's always moving, and very meaningful. ♥
in Acts 2:38, Peter doesn't make any age requirements or insist on repentance. He simply says be baptized
 

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15Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive

the kingdom of God [as] a little child, he shall not enter therein.
 
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Water baptism is nothing apart from the individual's faith and own choice to be baptized - Heb 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Infants are not capable of having faith, come to God or diligently seek God



Acts 2:38; Lk 13:3.5 before one can be baptized he must repent. Repentance is something the individual must choose to do, not a choice that can be made for the individual. Also, infants have no sins to repent of, have not transgressed the law of God (1 Jn 3:4)

Before one can be baptized he must confess "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Rom 10:10 Again, not something infants are capable of doing.

In Mk 16:16 Jesus made belief a prerequisite before one can be baptized. Faith is not something one is innately born with but faith comes by hearing (Rom 10:17) and hearing there requires not only understanding in what is heard but an obedient hearing/listening, neither of which infants can do. Jn 6:45 those that 'cometh to Christ' are those that have been taught, heard and learned, none of which infants can do. The purpose God gave baptism is for the remission of sins, and again, infants have no sins to have remitted.

Those that have been baptized and become a Christian then have the responsibility to do good works (Eph 2:10; Mt 25:34-36); to carry out the great commission (Mt 28:19,29; Mk 16:15;16); to worship by singing, praying, giving as one has prospered, teaching, partaking of the Lord's Supper; (1 Cor 11:26-29) to encourage and exhort (Heb 10:22-15); edification (Rom 14:19),exhort and convince the gainsayer by doctrine, (Titus 1:9)......none of which can be done by an infant that has been baptized.


It would also seem if an infant were capable of choosing and being capable to believe he is also capable of choosing NOT to believe. How does one tell the believing infants from the no-believing ones?


(Side note: In Matt 18:6 Jesus uses an affectionate term of "little ones" in describing His disciples that have a purity and innocence as children. Note back in Matt 10 where Jesus gives what some refer to as the "limited commission" to His 12 disciples and refers to them as His "little ones" verse 42)
 
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That is not so. Faith is not a matter of the heart.

Ephesians 2:8-9 makes it clear that faith is a gift from God, not because we deserve it, have earned it, or are worthy to have it. It is not from ourselves; it is from God. It is not obtained by our power or our free will. Faith is simply given to us by God, along with His grace and mercy, according to His holy plan and purpose, and because of that, He gets all the glory.

the Bible says that the heart is desperately wicked

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9



Romans 10

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”
[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]6 [/SUP]But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’”[SUP][b][/SUP] (that is, to bring Christ down) [SUP]7 [/SUP]“or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’”[SUP][c][/SUP] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). [SUP]8 [/SUP]But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[SUP][d][/SUP] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: [SUP]9 [/SUP]If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, [SUP]13 [/SUP]for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[SUP][f][/SUP]
 
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in Acts 2:38, Peter doesn't make any age requirements or insist on repentance. He simply says be baptized



and an infant would roll forth because he/she wanted to obey?
 
Nov 14, 2012
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although we do baptize babies at the church we attend.

it's always moving, and very meaningful. ♥
Water baptism is nothing apart from the individual's faith and own choice to be baptized - Heb 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Infants are not capable of having faith, come to God or diligently seek God



Acts 2:38; Lk 13:3.5 before one can be baptized he must repent. Repentance is something the individual must choose to do, not a choice that can be made for the individual. Also, infants have no sins to repent of, have not transgressed the law of God (1 Jn 3:4)

Before one can be baptized he must confess "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Rom 10:10 Again, not something infants are capable of doing.

In Mk 16:16 Jesus made belief a prerequisite before one can be baptized. Faith is not something one is innately born with but faith comes by hearing (Rom 10:17) and hearing there requires not only understanding in what is heard but an obedient hearing/listening, neither of which infants can do. Jn 6:45 those that 'cometh to Christ' are those that have been taught, heard and learned, none of which infants can do. The purpose God gave baptism is for the remission of sins, and again, infants have no sins to have remitted.

Those that have been baptized and become a Christian then have the responsibility to do good works (Eph 2:10; Mt 25:34-36); to carry out the great commission (Mt 28:19,29; Mk 16:15;16); to worship by singing, praying, giving as one has prospered, teaching, partaking of the Lord's Supper; (1 Cor 11:26-29) to encourage and exhort (Heb 10:22-15); edification (Rom 14:19),exhort and convince the gainsayer by doctrine, (Titus 1:9)......none of which can be done by an infant that has been baptized.


It would also seem if an infant were capable of choosing and being capable to believe he is also capable of choosing NOT to believe. How does one tell the believing infants from the no-believing ones?


(Side note: In Matt 18:6 Jesus uses an affectionate term of "little ones" in describing His disciples that have a purity and innocence as children. Note back in Matt 10 where Jesus gives what some refer to as the "limited commission" to His 12 disciples and refers to them as His "little ones" verse 42)
1 Cor 15:21-22, Romans 5:12-21
 
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Please think on this everyone.

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,...............even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:3,4


Now I ask you, how would our baptism be a type like Romans 6:3,4 is if we just had water poured on our heads? It's the going under the water and coming out a new person that is an exact type for Romans 6:3,4.
 

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"For such is the Kingdom of God " applies just as much to infants as little children.
Infant regeneration can happen as I believe it happened with John the Baptist through God's Word but no where do we see it taught or practiced in Scripture that regeneration will happen as a result of baptizing your infant.
Notice 'joy' by the infant John indicating an emotional understanding that we as adults don't always perceive...

Luke 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
 
Dec 26, 2012
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"For such is the Kingdom of God " applies just as much to infants as little children.
Infant regeneration can happen as I believe it happened with John the Baptist through God's Word but no where do we see it taught or practiced in Scripture that regeneration will happen as a result of baptizing your infant.
Notice 'joy' by the infant John indicating an emotional understanding that we as adults don't always perceive...

Luke 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
And that should bode the question Is regeneration an act of God or an act of man? Is being born of the spirit of God or man? And is God limited as to WHEN He can do that?
 

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Please think on this everyone.

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,...............even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:3,4


Now I ask you, how would our baptism be a type like Romans 6:3,4 is if we just had water poured on our heads? It's the going under the water and coming out a new person that is an exact type for Romans 6:3,4.
Not water, rather...

Colossians 2:11-12
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
 
Mar 12, 2015
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"For such is the Kingdom of God " applies just as much to infants as little children.
Infant regeneration can happen as I believe it happened with John the Baptist through God's Word but no where do we see it taught or practiced in Scripture that regeneration will happen as a result of baptizing your infant.
Notice 'joy' by the infant John indicating an emotional understanding that we as adults don't always perceive...

Luke 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
God had a special mission for John, not all children or infants would fall under this category.
 

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God had a special mission for John, not all children or infants would fall under this category.
He has a special mission for each of His, He just starts us off at different times.
He also moved on infants in the womb in the OT.
 

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There shall be no more thence an infant of days,
nor an old man that hath not filled his days:

for the child shall die an hundred years old;
but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

I think infants that died , will later be given a hundreded years of the word without devil influnce,
also those older folks, never hearing the word,and the only name Jesus, also given the word.

they both will have a chance to do whats right by God or not.
 
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Jesus was also brought to be circumcised on the 8th day as was the custom, he still had to come and be baptized by John later though.
 
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sometimes people try to sound so holy, I start to think their feet don't touch the ground when they walk
Aaaahhh...... don'tcha ferget those glowing halos over their heads too...... the perfect reading light at night, not to mention they can find their way to the bathroom in da dark! :p