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R
this part actually is about the destruction of jerusalem in AD 70...
but neither revelation nor any of the rest of the new testament for that matter was written when jesus spoke those words...therefore none of the new testament would be included in 'all things which are written' that had to be fulfilled in AD 70...
but neither revelation nor any of the rest of the new testament for that matter was written when jesus spoke those words...therefore none of the new testament would be included in 'all things which are written' that had to be fulfilled in AD 70...
L
So you are saying that John's revelation had nothing to do with any of the OT prophecies - it just dropped "down" to add to what was not previously said?
John calls on many elements from the OT - so I don't put much stock in your statement.
But then you have no clue as to who is the whore of Babylon so I'm not surprised you would think John was revealing something new.
John calls on many elements from the OT - so I don't put much stock in your statement.
But then you have no clue as to who is the whore of Babylon so I'm not surprised you would think John was revealing something new.
The dates that scholars have placed on the letters cause a lot of misunderstanding. I will tell you now, that I do not study much outside of the bible - like how the scholars came up with these dates. But from reading the bible, I do not accept them. There is no way that Revelation was written as late as 70-100AD. You can try to persuade me otherwise, but you will be more successful (if you are right) if you use the bible to do it. Again, I have done some research outside of the bible, but I don't put a lot into it because I do not trust the record of uninspired men - unless of course they agree with scripture.
R
this really has nothing to do with the debate over when the new testament is written...
i was just pointing out the self evident fact that the new testament was not written until after jesus spoke those words...meaning that he was not including the new testament in the 'all things which are written' that had to be fulfilled within that time frame...
i was just pointing out the self evident fact that the new testament was not written until after jesus spoke those words...meaning that he was not including the new testament in the 'all things which are written' that had to be fulfilled within that time frame...
R
there is overlap between old testament prophecy and new testament prophecy...but probably not as much as both preterists and futurists think...
there are also parts that don't overlap...my point was that anything in the new testament that doesn't overlap with the old testament would not be under the restriction of being fulfilled within the given time frame...
there are also parts that don't overlap...my point was that anything in the new testament that doesn't overlap with the old testament would not be under the restriction of being fulfilled within the given time frame...
L
All NT prophecy is based on old testament prophecy.
(Rom 9:4 KJV) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
(Rom 15:8 KJV) Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(Acts 28:20 KJV) For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.
(Rom 9:4 KJV) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
(Rom 15:8 KJV) Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(Acts 28:20 KJV) For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.
