Be perfect.

[QuickenedByHim]

To say "None of us are perfect" is wrong. Some Christians actually do walk perfect. Its not hard at all if you know the way of it. Its clear how its done. All you need to do to find out how is read the Word, and listen to the Holy Spirit. He'll open it up to you....eagerly.

Amen to that, He is able to teach us and make us know ALL THINGS, including and live godly in this present world, which is why its important to seek the kingdom of God and His wisdom above all things in life.

"For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world." -Titus 2:11-12

"But you have and unction from the Holy One, and you know all things." -1 John 2:20

 

[gb9]

Your accusations of "deliberately misinterpreting" those verses were nothing more than a poor attempt to deter people from the truth by being someone who disagrees and has hardened their heart from having an actual discussion about this and instead saying "admit that God doesn't quicken you and make you perfect."

in most cases, " perfect " means mature.

 

[gb9]

in most cases, " perfect " means mature.

by the way, when I say that no one is perfect ( you two included, you are not, ) I use the full Biblical definition of sin, which is missing the mark, falling short of a given standard, knowing to do good , and not doing so. by using these, no one can ( truthfully ) claim to be perfect.

 

[gb9]

You should know that these thoughts the girl was fighting were NOT her thoughts. But they were Satan's words in her ear.

I know, the young lady said the enemy was putting them their. so, when you say that a person can be perfect, which is what was causing her so much anguish trying to be, are you not admitting you are speaking for the enemy?

 

[Denadii]

in most cases, " perfect " means mature.

Yes. In some cases 'perfect' means mature. But not all cases. You cannot live mature id you do not walk in righteousness.

 

[Denadii]

I know, the young lady said the enemy was putting them their. so, when you say that a person can be perfect, which is what was causing her so much anguish trying to be, are you not admitting you are speaking for the enemy?

What? How did you twist it like that? I do not speak for the enemy. He does enough of that for himself. I simply said what happens.

 

[gb9]

What? How did you twist it like that? I do not speak for the enemy. He does enough of that for himself. I simply said what happens.

I did not twist anything. though I did not ( I should have, my mistake ) say in my original post, she said the thoughts were put there by the enemy. you said the same. the thoughts that she stated were causing her so much distress were the thoughts of having to be perfect to please Christ. you said to me that Christians " can be perfect ". so, if those thoughts of trying to perfect were by the enemy, and you are saying " Christians can be perfect, you are basically saying the same thing.

 

[Denadii]

I did not twist anything. though I did not ( I should have, my mistake ) say in my original post, she said the thoughts were put there by the enemy. you said the same. the thoughts that she stated were causing her so much distress were the thoughts of having to be perfect to please Christ. you said to me that Christians " can be perfect ". so, if those thoughts of trying to perfect were by the enemy, and you are saying " Christians can be perfect, you are basically saying the same thing.

Wow! Ok...Thoughts of 'you can be perfect' does not come from the enemy. Thoughts of 'thoughts of not being good enough for Jesus, not being perfect' do. She was listening to this voice of Satan. But I am saying that if God said to be perfect its very possible for us to be perfect. I said how in, I think, post # 75 So I was not even saying what the girl said. Though it was close.

 

[QuickenedByHim]

'the thoughts that she stated were causing her so much distress were the thoughts of having to be perfect to please Christ. you said to me that Christians " can be perfect ". so, if those thoughts of trying to perfect were by the enemy, and you are saying " Christians can be perfect, you are basically saying the same thing.

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." -James 4:7

"Now we know that God hears not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and does His will, him He hears." -John 9:31

If you commit sin, you are a sinner. If the mighty Lord Jesus Christ has truly saved you from your sin, you are no longer touched by the wicked one and you will walk as He walked because your true fellowship is with God and you are now born of Him. If you are still sinning after you have claimed to met Jesus, you need to think long and hard about this because the Holy Spirit will give you the strength in Jesus name to overcome any temptation which will cause the enemy to flee from you.

 

[TMS]

Can anyone claim to be perfectly sanctified, 100% know all and 100% reached a point of Holiness that is like Gods.
They would be God if they say yes.
Sanctification is continual, the closer i come to Christ the more sinful i appear. But sin can be overcome through Christ. We can aim for perfection and some may even reach a high standard where they have given up all known sins and continually walk in the spirit. If i was to reach this point i still wouldn't call myself perfect because i'm naturally inclined to do evil, all good comes from God, and God is working in me. Without Jesus i can do nothing and all glory goes to Jesus. So it isn't about us and our perfection it is about how much we give God the control because we realize we are sinful and week without Him.

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
...Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

In order to be pure in heart first we need to realize how poor we are.

 

[Denadii]

"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." -James 4:7

"Now we know that God hears not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and does His will, him He hears." -John 9:31

If you commit sin, you are a sinner. If the mighty Lord Jesus Christ has truly saved you from your sin, you are no longer touched by the wicked one and you will walk as He walked because your true fellowship is with God and you are now born of Him. If you are still sinning after you have claimed to met Jesus, you need to think long and hard about this because the Holy Spirit will give you the strength in Jesus name to overcome any temptation which will cause the enemy to flee from you.

If you are born again you are NOT a sinner You were a sinner, you died and were born again the righteousness of God in the anointing. You will sin on occasion but that does not make you a sinner. It makes you a child growing up into Him...You ARE the righteousness of God in the anointing. If you sin you confess your sin and God cleans you up and puts you right back into the righteousness seat.

 

[Denadii]

Can anyone claim to be perfectly sanctified, 100% know all and 100% reached a point of Holiness that is like Gods.
They would be God if they say yes.
Sanctification is continual, the closer i come to Christ the more sinful i appear. But sin can be overcome through Christ. We can aim for perfection and some may even reach a high standard where they have given up all known sins and continually walk in the spirit. If i was to reach this point i still wouldn't call myself perfect because i'm naturally inclined to do evil, all good comes from God, and God is working in me. Without Jesus i can do nothing and all glory goes to Jesus. So it isn't about us and our perfection it is about how much we give God the control because we realize we are sinful and week without Him.

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
...Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

In order to be pure in heart first we need to realize how poor we are.

Religious blat.

1 You will reach the point of your 100%s Don't worry about that.
2 The closer you come to Jesus the more like Him you get.
3 He has already made you perfect. All He wants you to do is to walk in it.
4 If you do evil go confess it and let Him make you righteous again.
5 Its about how much we obey His Word and do as He says and believe what He says.

 

[Zmouth]

so, a young lady at my church today gave a testimony that she accepted Christ at a young age, but then began to really struggle with thoughts of not being good enough for Jesus, not being perfect. she said those thoughts eventually got suicidal. your rhetoric could have had a terribly negative effect. you should stop your " I'm perfect " lies.

Then why did Jesus say be perfect as your Father is in heaven?

 

[QuickenedByHim]

Can anyone claim to be perfectly sanctified, 100% know all and 100% reached a point of Holiness that is like Gods.
They would be God if they say yes.
Sanctification is continual, the closer i come to Christ the more sinful i appear. But sin can be overcome through Christ. We can aim for perfection and some may even reach a high standard where they have given up all known sins and continually walk in the spirit. If i was to reach this point i still wouldn't call myself perfect because i'm naturally inclined to do evil, all good comes from God, and God is working in me. Without Jesus i can do nothing and all glory goes to Jesus. So it isn't about us and our perfection it is about how much we give God the control because we realize we are sinful and week without Him.

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
...Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

In order to be pure in heart first we need to realize how poor we are.

A man that is poor in spirit AND pure in heart repents from sin and turns to God because he hardens not his heart and hears God's voice (Hebrews 3:15 & 4:7)
Refer to what I said in post 89 if you have any other questions friend, if you have more please ask. Living purely led in deed and thought by the Holy Spirit (who is perfect) makes us live perfect and Godly lives and only those who are perfected shall enter into heaven; nobody that is spiritually able to tell a lie and all that are fearful, all which DO iniquity at all (someone who sins even just once a year is the same as a man that does iniquity.. they'll be right with the unbelieving, abominable, all whoremongers and yes even those who love and can tell a lie will be destroyed (the second death).. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Luke 13:28, Matthew 13:41, and Revelation 21:8).

 

[Zmouth]

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Deut 32:4


The Spirit of Truth. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:17


10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:10-14

If the gospel of being perfect it is hid it is hid from them that are lost.

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:4-7

Deut 18:10-13
There shall not be found among you;

• any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire,
• or that useth divination,
• or an observer of times,
• or an enchanter,
• or a witch,
• Or a charmer,
• or a consulter with familiar spirits,
• or a wizard,
• or a necromancer.

For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

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So are you one that?

• makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire,
• useth divination,
• observe times,
• an enchanter,
• a witch,
• a charmer,
• consults with familiar spirits,
• a wizard,
• a necromancer.

 

[mailmandan]

I have not misinterpreted any of these verses, you would see that if you would simply harden not your heart and hear His voice in all situations, ceasing from your sinful works and entering into the true and holy rest for God's people (Hebrews 4:1-12)

Having ceased from sin after suffering in this present world which we are literally crucified to, being now permanently led by the Holy Spirit of God, not influenced by the world, nor hearing the worlds voice, but only His; living the rest of our time in our flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. (1 Peter 2:4:1-2)

You have misinterpreted those verses and sadly, you continue to suffer from a terminal case of self righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).

 

[mailmandan]

so, a young lady at my church today gave a testimony that she accepted Christ at a young age, but then began to really struggle with thoughts of not being good enough for Jesus, not being perfect. she said those thoughts eventually got suicidal. your rhetoric could have had a terribly negative effect. you should stop your " I'm perfect " lies.

His rhetoric could have a terribly negative effect indeed! Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).

 

[mj007]

If you aim for perfection you will at least get closer to it, while the critical mass of perfection is infinity and only God can be infinity, for God is infinity. But then often if anyone dares talk of perfection, or sinless perfection, anything to do with perfection, those who feel so imperfect they would not bother to try perfecting themselves, try to defile it.

You must be perfect
You must be imperfect

Which one comes from God?
Which one comes from Satan?

Which one says quit that bad habit?
Which one says, don't worry 'no-one is perfect'?

Does God go around calling people sinners, or is it those who are lost in sin who go around calling everyone sinners so that their imperfection is not so bad?

From my experience in helping people get to a higher place in themselves, overcome circumstance, overcome addiction, overcome self-pity, I always remind them that there is a more perfect version of themselves and to focus on who that person is.

No-one is always 'this is me and no one can change me', we are always changing, for better or for worse. Better to strive for perfection rather than strive to accept your imperfections as who you are. And I mean that more spiritually, I don't mean plastic surgery. But even in the body, when someone has a problem with it, if they focused on loving themselves more, that problem would wash away.

Perfection is a single narrow path and there are only one of those paths, imperfection is a wide road which many take.

Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."

 

[gb9]

If you aim for perfection you will at least get closer to it, while the critical mass of perfection is infinity and only God can be infinity, for God is infinity. But then often if anyone dares talk of perfection, or sinless perfection, anything to do with perfection, those who feel so imperfect they would not bother to try perfecting themselves, try to defile it.

You must be perfect
You must be imperfect

Which one comes from God?
Which one comes from Satan?

Which one says quit that bad habit?
Which one says, don't worry 'no-one is perfect'?

Does God go around calling people sinners, or is it those who are lost in sin who go around calling everyone sinners so that their imperfection is not so bad?

From my experience in helping people get to a higher place in themselves, overcome circumstance, overcome addiction, overcome self-pity, I always remind them that there is a more perfect version of themselves and to focus on who that person is.

No-one is always 'this is me and no one can change me', we are always changing, for better or for worse. Better to strive for perfection rather than strive to accept your imperfections as who you are. And I mean that more spiritually, I don't mean plastic surgery. But even in the body, when someone has a problem with it, if they focused on loving themselves more, that problem would wash away.

Perfection is a single narrow path and there are only one of those paths, imperfection is a wide road which many take.

Matthew 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."

peter, ( mjoo7, same person ), no one is saying that we should not strive for righteous behavior, but to say, by a Biblical definition , that one can be perfect is not a true statement. do you keep the standards of the Sermon on the Mount 24/7. no!, then, therefore, no perfection. do we strive to do good, yes! do we always hit the mark? no.

 

[Til]

There are two kinds of perfection known in the Bible:

1. The state of being infinitely perfect, i.e. infinitely knowing all and keeping all while allowing others the right of free will. Only God is infinite. The reason we have sin is because God values free will and choice, He does not value forced obedience. One cannot love without free will. Automatons can obey but will have no real love since that implies choice.

2. A seed is perfect, so is a sprout, so is the corn stock as it grows, so is the ear while still green and growing, even till the full fruit at the harvest. In this sense, every Christian is perfect at the confession of faith in Jesus as Savior. When one accepts JESUS as salvation (not our own perfection), His Spirit starts the process of putting on Christ to the believer. This is a life long process, for according to Jesus Himself, the ultimate God love in and through us is dying for our "neighbor" (and Jesus prayed for those nailing Him to the cross.)

The paradox Christians face is that the closer we come to Jesus, the more we see what needs to change in us. This state is acceptable only to those who understand that Jesus loves us despite our faults, and His Holy Spirit takes full responsibility of making us like Jesus. If we have been raised to only see the faults in ourselves, we have been raised with half truths. While our work in school had mistakes, there was also growth and progress. As Christians we are in the school of Jesus Christ, learning to be like Him. Every half truth is a lie, so if we confess our faults to God and ask for change through the Holy Spirit, guilt over the same faults are then temptations. This is from a background of looking only at faults and not learning to think on "whatsoever is of good report." Ask Jesus to send these thoughts "as far as the east is from the west" and pray the Holy Spirit to keep our mind stayed on His love and acceptance.