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iamsoandso

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Don't put words in my post. Forgetful? or need glasses?
well your post #60 is directly below my direct question to lovepink,,,post#59,,,but if your reply was to some one else then i do apologize,,,,,,
 

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Were men around to see when God created the earth ?

Who are the morning stars ?

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
All this is saying is that The "sons of God" shouted for joy when the morning stars sang together. Grammatically, When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy is a completely separate thought from Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
 

iamsoandso

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Matthew 2:13

King James Version (KJV)

13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Josephin a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.


What spirit was working in herod to give the order to kill all the babies ?

one who needed to kill all of the babies in Bethlehem becouse he wasnt sure who was the actual mesiah,,,
 
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If the estimates of modern-day scientists as to the age of the physical universe are anywhere near correct, Jesus’ existence as a spirit creature began thousands of millions of years prior to the creation of the first human. (Compare Mic 5:2.) This firstborn spirit Son was used by his Father in the creation of all other things. (Joh 1:3; Col 1:16, 17) This would include the millions of other spirit sons of God’s heavenly family (Da 7:9, 10; Re 5:11), as well as the physical universe and the creatures originally produced within it. Logically, it was to this firstborn Son that Yahweh said: “Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.” (Ge 1:26) All these other created things were not only created “through him” but also “for him,” as God’s Firstborn and the “heir of all things.”—Col 1:16; Heb 1:2.
 

stonesoffire

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well your post #60 is directly below my direct question to lovepink,,,post#59,,,but if your reply was to some one else then i do apologize,,,,,,
Well, now I am confused as to what you mean.

Letting it go...
 
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@stonesoffire
It was temptation and Yeshua had not eaten anything....was in a weak state, and He answers all questionings with scripture.
Satan knew who He was.
I agree! Satan understood who Jesus Christ was, hence why he spent so much time trying to put Jesus to the test! Satan himself knew how important Jesus was/is to the heavenly father's divine plan!!!!!!
Satan's temptations:
If you are God, make bread out of this rock.
If you are God, throw yourself off of this topmost tower, and the angels shall break your fall.
Bow down to me, and all the kingdoms of the Earth shall be yours.
Think about it!
[HR][/HR]And for Heaven's sake, why are we still talking about this??

Nicene Creed - Noteworthy lines are revealed via indigo text.
[SUB]I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, He suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and His kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.
[/SUB]Amen.

[SUB]The Nicene creed presents some evidence of Jesus being one with God, no? Jesus is our saviour! It's obvious?!?!
If we don't believe that Jesus is our saviour, then how can we possibly call ourselves Christians? We would be the greatest heretics ever to roam this Earth!
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#88
All this is saying is that The "sons of God" shouted for joy when the morning stars sang together. Grammatically, When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy is a completely separate thought from Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Are you for real God is saying were you there when I created the earth
when God created the earth the angels sang for joy

There is nothing about separate thought there,the morning stars are the sons of God who sang for joy when God created the earth you canot twist this dude
 
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one who needed to kill all of the babies in Bethlehem becouse he wasnt sure who was the actual mesiah,,,
It was the devil that gave the order the bible says he know more bible than us
 

oldhermit

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How do you come to the conclusion that it is not ?
If you are talking about what I said about this being a disconnected thought, just diagram the sentence between verses two and seven and see. If I am wrong about this being a disconnected thought, that will prove it. If you are asking about the use of "sons of God," simply pull up all the links to where this term is used everywhere in scripture and see to whom it is applied. I could be wrong about this by at this point I have not yet been convinced. This does not mean I am not open to be disproven.
 
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If you are talking about what I said about this being a disconnected thought, just diagram the sentence between verses two and seven and see. If I am wrong about this being a disconnected thought, that will prove it. If you are asking about the use of "sons of God," simply pull up all the links to where this term is used everywhere in scripture and see to whom it is applied. I could be wrong about this by at this point I have not yet been convinced. This does not mean I am not open to be disproven.

How did giants became ?
 

iamsoandso

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It was the devil that gave the order the bible says he know more bible than us
the bible he does know,,once something is reveled "he does know",,,but he does not know it before it is,,,,,
 

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Jesus is God, He has always been.

With God, David fell a giant
 

oldhermit

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How did giants became ?
Genesis Six represents an increasing discontinuity between two cultures.
I. The Disintegration of the God Culture and the Dominance of the Godless Culture, 1-12.
A. What was the cause? The marriage of two very diverse cultures.
1. Sons of God – the descendants of Seth
2. Daughters of men – the descendants of Cain.

B. Results – The abandonment of God.
1. Judgment is pronounced. God gives humanity 120 years until the destruction of the flood.
2. The rise of the Nephilim, 4. This is not necessarily causal since they were already
in the land. This is a humanly genetic occurrence, not a supernatural one.

3. The collapse of moral ethics. There seems to be a progression of wickedness from verse three. Seems to be an undisclosed amount of time lapsed between verse 3 and verse 12. The heart is now only evil continually. Seems to be no redeeming value left.
4. God is heart-broken. Destruction of all life is pronounced, 7.
5. The earth is filled with violence.

C. God preserves the righteous remnant. God always sees and remembers the righteous, 8. In this, God tempers judgment with mercy.
 
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the bible he does know,,once something is reveled "he does know",,,but he does not know it before it is,,,,,
What do you understand by this ?

Ezekiel 28
The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.


Did the devil know that it was Peter to lead the church after Jesus went back to the Father ? Why or Why not
 
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Genesis Six represents an increasing discontinuity between two cultures.
I. The Disintegration of the God Culture and the Dominance of the Godless Culture, 1-12.
A. What was the cause? The marriage of two very diverse cultures.
1. Sons of God – the descendants of Seth
2. Daughters of men – the descendants of Cain.

B. Results – The abandonment of God.
1. Judgment is pronounced. God gives humanity 120 years until the destruction of the flood.
2. The rise of the Nephilim, 4. This is not necessarily causal since they were already
in the land. This is a humanly genetic occurrence, not a supernatural one.

3. The collapse of moral ethics. There seems to be a progression of wickedness from verse three. Seems to be an undisclosed amount of time lapsed between verse 3 and verse 12. The heart is now only evil continually. Seems to be no redeeming value left.
4. God is heart-broken. Destruction of all life is pronounced, 7.
5. The earth is filled with violence.

C. God preserves the righteous remnant. God always sees and remembers the righteous, 8. In this, God tempers judgment with mercy.

Hmmm very interesting but the bible does not say so

When man canot understandsomething they twist the scripture to mean otherwise so why those sons of God were not saved was Noah a son of God did he take a wife of cannan ? Why not


None should be exclude because Noah should be one also hmm i am just asking
 

iamsoandso

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What do you understand by this ?

Ezekiel 28
The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.


Did the devil know that it was Peter to lead the church after Jesus went back to the Father ? Why or Why not
if the devil knew that slaying peter would end the preaching of the Gospel he would not have continued and slew all but john,,and then the churches by the millions,he would not even bother with you and me,,,,,,he would have ended his slaying with peter,,,,,,,
 
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oldhermit

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Hmmm very interesting but the bible does not say so

When man canot understandsomething they twist the scripture to mean otherwise so why those sons of God were not saved was Noah a son of God did he take a wife of cannan ? Why not


None should be exclude because Noah should be one also hmm i am just asking
Chapter seven tells us that Noah was the only one whom God regarded as righteous "in his generation." Therefore, only he and his family are saved from the destruction.
 
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if the devil knew that slaying peter would end the preaching of the Gospel he would not have continued and slew all but john,,and then the churches by the millions,he would not even bother with you and me,,,,,,he would have ended his slaying with peter,,,,,,,
Luke 22:32
But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Why could they not throw Jesus over in this situation ? Who was in them to perform this act ?

[h=3]Luke 4:26-30[/h][h=1]King James Version (KJV)

26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

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Chapter seven tells us that Noah was the only one whom God regarded as righteous "in his generation." Therefore, only he and his family are saved from the destruction.
you dont get it do you the principle that you have applied should apply right through thus if it was the desendants of Seath it was all none exxempted the bible does not say that

It is is simple fallen angel human wives giants = wickedness