BELIEFS ABOUT THE KJV

[The_Watchers_2017]

Here's the Vulgate Prologe by Jerome as translated.

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if you did not keep purposefully using opinions that have proven incorrect by Scholars i'd think you were a liar!

here's the factual Jerome Vulgate with Latin and Translation:

7 quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant

And there are Three who give testimony

8 Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt

the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

 

[Amanuensis]

Candlesticks may date back around 400 BC. Here a full history if you may https://www.acsilver.co.uk/shop/pc/candlestick-history-what-is-a-candlestick-d104.htm
So before the writing of the Koine Greek, there was already a candlestick.

The wikipedia article is much more informative. It explains how some forms of early candle making goes back to before the first century but it was not used in Rome or in Israel and we know that it did not become popular until the middle ages.

But it comes down to the fact that the Greek word John used was the word for oil fed lamps. Which was what they used in John's day.

So why translate it candlesticks when that was not the Greek word used? One must ask the KJV scholars why they chose to use an English word that they knew did not have the same meaning as the Greek word that John used?

Was it because they thought that their readers would not understand what the oil fed lamp looked like so they chose an English word that would conjour up and image that the reader could relate to?

If so this would be an example of not being the most accurate word for what John wrote and intended. Oil fed lamp would have been a better choice if the wanted to educate the reader on 1st century image of that Greek word. But just lamp and lampstand would be more accurate than candlestick which is not what John wrote in Greek. He used no such word. If he had seen wax candlesticks he would have used a different Greek word than the one he used which was always used to describe the oil fed lamp of his day.

Finding evidence that there was some form of a wax fed light before the first century does not change this. John did not use such a word about a wax fed light. But there is no mystery about the fact that they did not use such lighting in Rome or Israel or even Europe at the time John wrote so archeological evidence of one in Egypt or China makes no difference.

 

[fredoheaven]

Watchman,

Here is what BF Wesscort had to say over the Latin translation of Jerome, guess what he says?

 

[fredoheaven]

Umm, I think you just give me some Greek that has been marred by mistakes. Early witnesses prove there is. Thanks

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

look at this:

Its completion is dated on the basis of its textual affinities to no earlier than the second decade of the 16th century, though a 15th-century date is possible on palaeographic grounds. The manuscript is famous for including a unique version of the Comma Johanneum.
Script: Greek
Date: c. 1520
Codex Montfortianus - Wikipedia

*******this Text was CREATED in the 15th Century, so it's nowhere close to the originals.*******

why is this important?

In his Greek edition of the New Testament (1516) Erasmus noted [[((the absence of the Comma))]] and consequently omitted the passage.

but look what happened:

Critics accused him of promoting Arian heresy and promptly presented him with a Montforianus codex which did contain the contested lines.


so Erasmus [[((WAS FORCED))]] to add the COMMA even though he knew it was not ORIGINAL!


WOW!

so the COMMA really never existed in the true original Greek Text!

that's all i need to know the KJV Bible is a CATHOLIC FAKE!

 

[fredoheaven]

look at this:

Its completion is dated on the basis of its textual affinities to no earlier than the second decade of the 16th century, though a 15th-century date is possible on palaeographic grounds. The manuscript is famous for including a unique version of the Comma Johanneum.
Script: Greek
Date: c. 1520
Codex Montfortianus - Wikipedia

*******this Text was CREATED in the 15th Century, so it's nowhere close to the originals.*******

why is this important?

In his Greek edition of the New Testament (1516) Erasmus noted [[((the absence of the Comma))]] and consequently omitted the passage.

but look what happened:

Critics accused him of promoting Arian heresy and promptly presented him with a Montforianus codex which did contain the contested lines.


so Erasmus [[((WAS FORCED))]] to add the COMMA even though he knew it was not ORIGINAL!


WOW!

so the COMMA really never existed in the true original Greek Text!

that's all i need to know the KJV Bible is a CATHOLIC FAKE!

If you may, please read the attachment by De Jonge.

 

[fredoheaven]

if you did not keep purposefully using opinions that have proven incorrect by Scholars i'd think you were a liar!

here's the factual Jerome Vulgate with Latin and Translation:

7 quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant

And there are Three who give testimony

8 Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt

the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.

I think you needed to think twice about Jerome's Translation is not about from Greek but from Latin to Latin.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

If you may, please read the attachment by De Jonge.

Brother, I did!
i promise You that i did!

but read what Erasmus wrote:

In his Greek edition of the New Testament (1516) Erasmus noted [[((the absence of the Comma))]] and consequently omitted the passage.

that is telling us the COMMA [[never existed]], [[it was an add on and CREATED by man, not Inspired by God]]!

Erasmus own admission is what we should be looking at here.

we should IGNORE the 16th Century FAKE Greek Text Montforianus because it is not of God nor original!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I think you needed to think twice about Jerome's Translation is not about from Greek but from Latin to Latin.

i personally have my great grandfather's copy and it matches 100% what i copy/pasted for you!

7 quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant

And there are Three who give testimony

8 Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt

the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.

 

[fredoheaven]

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that's all i need to know the KJV Bible is a CATHOLIC FAKE!

Need to clarify this one from you, are you saying a "CATHOLIC FAKE!" or a Roman Catholic fake"? It may have been confusing.

 

[fredoheaven]

i personally have my great grandfather's copy and it matches 100% what i copy/pasted for you!

7 quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant

And there are Three who give testimony

8 Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt

the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.

Umm, you don't get it. Obviously, that's comes from Latin translattion from another Latin which is not from the Greek.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Need to clarify this one from you, are you saying a "CATHOLIC FAKE!" or a Roman Catholic fake"? It may have been confusing.

every Bible with the COMMA in it is a FAKE!

read Erasmus:

In his Greek edition of the New Testament (1516) Erasmus noted [[((the absence of the Comma))]] and consequently omitted the passage.

he tells us the COMMA never existed and he could not find it in all of the true original Greek Texts.

he is not lying, he is a Witness for the TRUTH!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Umm, you don't get it. Obviously, that's comes from Latin translattion from another Latin which is not from the Greek.

you don't get it, this is Jerome's translation!

the COMMA is a FAKE!

Erasmus tells us it is a FAKE!

the Evidence is right in front of you and you still deny it!

you should make Mary your god and just become RCC!

 

[fredoheaven]

you don't get it, this is Jerome's translation!

the COMMA is a FAKE!

Erasmus tells us it is a FAKE!

the Evidence is right in front of you and you still deny it!

you should make Mary your god and just become RCC!

You are just showing your inability to reason things at a research level.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You are just showing your inability to reason things at a research level.

hahaha whatever man!


Erasmus tells us the COMMA is not from the Original Greek and you still cannot accept Fact and Truth!

you are in Denial, which [IS NOT] a River that runs through Egypt!

 

[fredoheaven]

hahaha whatever man!


Erasmus tells us the COMMA is not from the Original Greek and you still cannot accept Fact and Truth!

you are in Denial, which [IS NOT] a River that runs through Egypt!

Your source is Wikipedia about Erasmus, this is not authoritative when speaking of Erasmus. Erasmunian expert De Jonge disproves your claim. Anyway, thanks for your interaction. Appreciate your opinions on this matter...

 

[Dino246]

And you have proven nothing, only opinions from websites.

I have proven that the KJV contradicts itself regarding Ahaziah’s age.

 

[Beckie]

783,137 words
Whatever your opinions, one thing is absolutely certain: the King James Authorized Bible has 783,137 words.Dec 8, 2015
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Over 780 thousand words wow. Surprised there were not more mistakes made. Nice to understand we have more information today and can make some corrections. I accept, right or wrong, those guys did the best they could with the information they had. What we can se as a mistake today may not have been considered a mistake a few hundred years ago.
Having never read about candlesticks v. oil lampstands very interesting.. Oil often represents spirit . That alone makes oil lampstands a winner.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Your source is Wikipedia about Erasmus, this is not authoritative when speaking of Erasmus. Erasmunian expert De Jonge disproves your claim. Anyway, thanks for your interaction. Appreciate your opinions on this matter...

my source is everyone's source. the writings of Erasmus!