BEWARE the Lawkeepers

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I like verse #9...

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

I can't believe that some will read this as "Purifying their hearts by them keeping the commandments".
addressing crossnote, what do you think is better, circumcise a baby, or let your child go on without being circumcised, and let him deal with it when problems come when he's older, since you had something to say.
In this age of grace it is totally up to the parents since the Mosaic law is not binding (there is no priesthood or temple).
I'm not sure what later problems you are referring to. My mom a single mom at my birth had it done to me and there has been no problems.
 

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I like verse #9...

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

I can't believe that some will read this as "Purifying their hearts by them keeping the commandments".
So if we as NT Christians are only supposed to do those things commanded in the NT and not the OT, what value does the OT have in our lives other than just a historical narrative?
Besides setting examples of faith and unbelief, there is poetry for wisdom and encouragement, there are our origins in Genesis and a humongous amount of prophecy dealing with Israel...it's scattering, regathering and future Kingdom. It makes me wonder about the OT legalists, why they are so mum about the prophetic sections...a huge portion. Then they lecture us for not taking in ALL the bible. Go figure.
 

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I like verse #9...

9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

I can't believe that some will read this as "Purifying their hearts by them keeping the commandments".
When you use all this scripture, words breathed by the Lord, to say they are wiping out the law because you don't understand their meaning, you are throwing dirt on what is of God.

Rom_7:12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good.

Also, the law was never meant to save, there are lots of things it can not do. God gave it to us for a purpose, why not look for the purpose of this holy, just and good law instead of telling everyone to get rid of it?

Here is what scripture said when the Mosaic Law was given to us. Not a word about it saving us.
Deut 28 "And if you faithfully obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all his commandments that I command you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth. 2 And all these blessings shall come upon you and overtake you, if you obey the voice of the Lord your God. 3 Blessed shall you be in the city, and
blessed shall you be in the field. 4 Blessed shall be the fruit of your womb and the fruit of your ground and the fruit of your cattle, the increase of your herds and the young of your flock. 5 Blessed shall be your basket and your kneading bowl. 6 Blessed shall you be when you come in, and blessed shall you be when you go out.

And the idea that when there was a new covenant (legal document) given, it cancelled all other transaction between us and the Lord, it just isn't so. Some are growing old and even becoming obsolete. When we are given the new earth they will become completely obsolete. But God is true and faithful, God doesn't say of His word that it is only for a select few humans, either. God is love, God loves His creation and cares for all who love Him equally.
True, the law was never meant to save but neither was it meant to purify.
 
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In this age of grace it is totally up to the parents since the Mosaic law is not binding (there is no priesthood or temple). .
When scripture says that Christ is our High Priest, taking over all the functions of the High Priest, and scripture says that where the Holy Spirit resides such as our body is the temple, how can you say there is no temple. The temple in Jerusalem was a shadow, an illustration of this, how could what a temple is be completely disconnected from the shadow?
 

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When scripture says that Christ is our High Priest, taking over all the functions of the High Priest, and scripture says that where the Holy Spirit resides such as our body is the temple, how can you say there is no temple. The temple in Jerusalem was a shadow, an illustration of this, how could what a temple is be completely disconnected from the shadow?
How can you disconnect the Mosaic Law from the Levitical Priesthood, the animal sacrifices and the Temple?
If you are talking Mosaic Law that is what is required despite your vain word twisting to get it to fit your style of law keeping.
 
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Besides setting examples of faith and unbelief, there is poetry for wisdom and encouragement, there are our origins in Genesis and a humongous amount of prophecy dealing with Israel...it's scattering, regathering and future Kingdom. It makes me wonder about the OT legalists, why they are so mum about the prophetic sections...a huge portion. Then they lecture us for not taking in ALL the bible. Go figure.
Paul said to Timothy "Continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have know the holy scriptures, which is able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
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How can you disconnect the Mosaic Law from the Levitical Priesthood, the animal sacrifices and the Temple?
If you are talking Mosaic Law that is what is required despite your vain word twisting to get it to fit your style of law keeping.
I didn't know you saw the Mosaic Law as ordering a human priest, animal blood with no connection to Christ, and only a man made temple!!

Your insults are getting milder, you need to sharpen your murder instinct!
 

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I didn't know you saw the Mosaic Law as ordering a human priest, animal blood with no connection to Christ, and only a man made temple!!

Your insults are getting milder, you need to sharpen your murder instinct!
Yes there is a typological connection as well as it's fulfillment by Christ. I don't drag it into our lives especially as we now have a 'better' Priesthood...an eternal one whose LIFE we have.
The rest of your comment will be duly ignored.
 
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honestly seeing a post that says beware of the law breakers reminds me of the serpent in the garden, saying to eve(did God say).
 
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i meant beware of the law keepers. see even me saying it is so profound it hardly wants to come out
 
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i'll try saying it again. Seeing a post that says beware of the lawkeepers, reminds me of in the garden, when the serpent said to eve(did God say)?
 
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honestly seeing a post that says beware of the law breakers reminds me of the serpent in the garden, saying to eve(did God say).
Did God really say be holy for I am holy? Did God really say His commandments are not too hard to keep? Did God....?
And the accuser says "Can you really...? Are you really....?
 
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Yes He did Say those things, and yes the accuser tries making those that choose to obey look like the bad guys.
 
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practice makes perfect, the more we practice obeying the easier it becomes.
 

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I'm not talking about being in bondage to the Law. I'm talking about doing it out of response to gracious salvation. And the benefits of keeping the OT Law is living a life in the way God wants you to live. Each of the Laws given have a physical and spiritual benefit to them. Pick one of the 613 and see if you can find a physical and spiritual benefit to your life if you did it today. If you can't find any or have trouble with one, feel free to ask me if you'd like.

The laws that were given at Sinai are the same laws given by Jesus because God and Jesus are one.
For the 4th commandment ,As the old covenant people of God, they were obligated to observe it or it was death.

Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

But in the new covenant God promise, what happen to the obligation to keep the sabbath. Did the apostles of Jesus commanded the Gentiles to observe such a day.

The Letter to the Gentiles Belivers

Acts 15-24

Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Acts 15:28-29

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Someone is Lying on this fourm, Thee apostle of Jesus Christ where filled with the holyghost that tells all truth.

As Linda70 shared and many, many, many, other belivers in Christ Jesus have shown by scripture. you have seen this scripture and perhaps read it plenty of times.

The Council at Jerusalem


Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:8-11

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Thee Desciples of Jesus Christ understood clearly , the diffrence between the law (school master) & Faith.

Galatians 3:23-24

The purpose of the Law

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Sons Through Faith in Christ

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

My question to lawkeepers are you under the schoolmaster or Faith has come ?

God Bless
 
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god commanded the hebrews to march around jericho 7 days, therefore missing the sabbath, Joshua 6
 
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chubbena

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practice makes perfect, the more we practice obeying the easier it becomes.
And Allen Iverson said practice, we are talking about practice, we are not even talking about the game, we are talking about practice....and see where he ends up. I don't feel sorry (but I do) for him.