BEWARE the Lawkeepers

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The documents that were found originated with Rabbi Hillel/ Hillel lived a long long time after the Mosaic Covenant.

So, it seems you know for a fact that Acts does not speak of the laws applying to gentiles, and the verse following those laws about going to synagogue? I think you just want to argue, I'd just like to talk about those times.

I think you are right, one of the rules of the synagogue was circumcision. But then why would it talk in Acts of gentiles going there, and after it was decided they didn't have to be circumcised? I wish you could talk instead of sneer.
It's fairly clear that Mosaic law trumps documents found by some Rabbi's years later.
In Acts, the early converts came to the Temple and synagogues. The problem arose when an uncircumcised Christian Gentile approached for worship.
 

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I think John knew what law-keepers would try to do with his writing, when he clarified what 'commandment' he was referring to in 1 John 3:

1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, That we should BELIEVE on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
what is love one another?
Love your neighbour which is a summery of the last 6 commandments.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Love one another is a summery of the commandments.

So good try but no go.
 
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Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them,
Circumcision and sacrifices are done away

ten commandments are eternal.

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." -1 John 2:3.


"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." -1 John 2:4.


"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight." -1 John 3:22.


"And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." -1 John 3:24.


"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments." -1 John 5:2.


"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." -1 John 5:3.


"And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it." -2 John 1:6.


"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." -Revelation 12:17.


"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." -Revelation 14:12.


"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." -Revelation 22:14.

Circumcision is not necessary any more since JEsus was our sacrifice.


beware the lawbreakers.
theyll kill you
 
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Its already there in a post above the one you read.

If Sin is breaking the law.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


and Jesus said that we can do nothing without Him:

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Thus the secret is to abide in Him and John says that if we abide in him we will sin not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

And John was clear that sin is breaking the law. so not sinning is keeping it. The Key is abiding in Jesus.

and If Jesus is in us:

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

notice the real focus of this text is "his seed remaineth in him" Jesus in us causes us to be born again and not sin.

what other option have you, While we can not stop sinning by ourselves something changes when we by Faith accept Jesus' death for our sin. and then let Him into our hearts.

I can't explain how it works it just does. Faith does not need to understand exactly how Jesus takes us from disobedient to obedient, it Just trusts His promises and then it becomes reality. Faith is the only way. not by works lest any man should boast. Christ and Him crucified is the answer.
I agree we walk by faith in His grace but you seem to be espousing some kind of sinless walk.
You seem to neglect such things as the contending with the flesh for example:

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
(Gal 5:16-18)
 

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IF you break the last 6 commandments then the love of God is not in you. because they are about loving one another.
 
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The entire book of Galatians is eye-opening in regard to the Law; however, Chapter 3 really hits it home, declaring how long the law was in effect and that it had a definite end (TIL the promised seed should come [Jesus Christ] Gal. 3:19), that the purpose of the law "was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ' (Gal. 3:24), then declaring that 'after faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER.

Let's not forget, this is "Paul" speaking here, inspired by the Holy Spirit.
I have never seen anyone who has made up their mind they want to dismiss all of God's law ever reason be able to reason about it, but I am going to try!

Scripture must be listened to and it says "we are no longer under a schoolmaster" and Christ said to obey if you love Him, and Paul said the law was Holy. Do you think that you can ignore one of these, or that God disagrees with God, or do you think you need to search until you find out how all of these things are correct?
 

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IF you break the last 6 commandments then the love of God is not in you. because they are about loving one another.
If you break just one you have broken them all.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(Jas 2:10)

Here, for good measure...

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
(Gal 3:10)



Better to take the Grace Train.
 

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I agree we walk by faith in His grace but you seem to be espousing some kind of sinless walk.
You seem to neglect such things as the contending with the flesh for example:

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
(Gal 5:16-18)
The Flesh does indeed contend but Faith in God is stronger so that we do not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Just as you quoted.

Paul then quotes some of the things of the flesh and finishes with:

Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

so no one who does these things will inherit the Kingdom of God.

The key as said is in the verse you quoted:

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh".

those who walk in the Spirit will not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

notice also that Paul says:

"so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law."

Does that sound familiar?

Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

now does that sound like a free person or a slave?

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

clearly a slave who needs to be delivered.

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Chris Jesus came to do exactly that:

Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Jesus came to deliver the captives.

Thus Paul brings Jesus in the next verse as the answer to the problem.

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Is Paul suggesting here that in Christ we serve both? No as it is written:

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The Spirit of life in Christ makes us free from the law of sin and death. we are delivered.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The Law is fulfilled in us by the Spirit freely given to all who believe in the Death and resurrection of Jesus. Faith is the key.
 
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I like this break down of Romans 6 and 7 which when understood makes it plain that there are two laws and the law of the flesh,the Mosiac law is a law that has no power to produce righteousness unto holiness. It's a long document of 200 plus pages and quiet a few more pages than just these link but it's enough for this post I suppose. If you want the rest of the links, let me know.

http://www.tbc-archives.org/PDF/Pastor Notes/Romans 7/Rom7 (1-100)/Romans7(1-100).pdf
http://www.tbc-archives.org/PDF/Pastor Notes/Romans 7/Rom7 (201-291)/Romans7(201-291).pdf
 
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It's fairly clear that Mosaic law trumps documents found by some Rabbi's years later.
In Acts, the early converts came to the Temple and synagogues. The problem arose when an uncircumcised Christian Gentile approached for worship.
Whoever in their right mind would come up with the idea that Hillel could trump Moses, or with the idea that we may not know about what he said. Get real!!

What Hillel contributed was deciding that gentiles must become Jews, and the Lord said Hillel was wrong. In Egypt they constructed pyramids and Hebrews probably helped build them. We can know that and it does not affect Mosaic Law.
 

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Whoever in their right mind would come up with the idea that Hillel could trump Moses, or with the idea that we may not know about what he said. Get real!!

What Hillel contributed was deciding that gentiles must become Jews, and the Lord said Hillel was wrong. In Egypt they constructed pyramids and Hebrews probably helped build them. We can know that and it does not affect Mosaic Law.
Get real huh. Now who is sneering.
Sorry, I can't follow your meandering style, sorry I even responded in the first place. Scratch everything.
 

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If you break just one you have broken them all.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(Jas 2:10)

Here, for good measure...

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
(Gal 3:10)



Better to take the Grace Train.
Yes if we break on we break them all, this is the point, man can not do this. but with God all things are possible.

Grace is the power to overcome in faith in Jesus.

Peter saw this Grace connected to the Holy Spirit which then makes us obedient children to be holy.

1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Pe 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
1Pe 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

James connected Grace to putting away sin by way of drawing close to God.

Jas 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Paul said Grace helps us serve God acceptably. In context Paul is displaying the difference between the law given on Sinai to coming to the heavenly throne.


Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
Heb 12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

It seems holiness has something to do with Grace.

Heb_10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Again the Spirit is attached to grace which Paul shows is the power to not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Grace leads us to good works. IT teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts. to live Godly in life now.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Grace comes through Faith and is a gift. which has to do with us being his workmanship unto good works.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Grace has to do with quickening us, giving us life in Jesus now.

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Grace was given to Paul to be able to live with his infirmities. It is the power of Christ in us, His strength manifest in weakness.

2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

Again Grace brings good work. no one is good but God. thus this goodness must be from God.

1Co 1:4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
1Co 1:5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
1Co 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
1Co 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:


The Grace of God is power in the gift of Christ.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Grace comes to those who are justified by faith. and grace is also accessed by Faith.

Rom_1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Grace for Obedience to the faith.



Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

The power of sin is broken because of grace the power of God in us.



I have been really quick here. study it for yourself. Grace is more than just your forgiven, it is the Power of the Creator to create in you a clean heart.
 
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Mixing faith with law, something the Bible "repeatedly" warns against.

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Interesting that those who mix law-keeping with faith are considered "bewitched!"
1 Corinthians 6:9-10King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


1 John 3:4King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


I disagree with you obviously. The reason being is I think you are taking the verses in your OP and this one out of context, as well as these ones from Galatians. The Galatians quote you posted is similar to what James is talking about in James 2. The law itself wasn't to be destroyed when Jesus came. That is why he himself said that he has come to fulfill the law, not to destroy it. I think the whole point is that there are people who think only the law is required to enter Heaven and not faith or love. However, as it is stated in the Bible, without love/charity you can't enter Heaven and we are saved by our faith due to grace.

If you still think there is no law, then explain the 1 John quote which clearly states that going against the law is sin. Moreover, what would you call then the no fornication rules, or murder, etc. that were laws in the Old Testament?
 
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Get real huh. Now who is sneering.
Sorry, I can't follow your meandering style, sorry I even responded in the first place. Scratch everything.
I know! I explained to you the history and background of Acts so you could know that Paul was not against Moses, and it was absolutely over your head and probably over most everyone's head.
 
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Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to COMMAND them to keep the law of Moses. 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore WHY TEMPT YE GOD, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which NEITHER OUR FATHERS NOR WE WERE ABLE TO BEAR?

Act 15:11 But we believe THAT THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WE SHALL BE SAVED, even as they.
Anytime you find someone quoting partial verses, in an attempt to use them to contradict the Bible, it's important to go back and read the entire context. So lets do that now.

Acts 15 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

The very first thing we see is how the whole bases of the argument is this, "What must someone do to be saved?"

2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question. 3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. 4 And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them.5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” 6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”


Notice how the discussion continues and ends with how it's through grace that we are saved, not by keeping any Law.

12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written: 16 ‘After this I will return And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins, And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the Lord who does all these things.’

Notice how God is calling a people by His name to be His people. These will not continue to look like just any people once they become God's people. They are called by God's name to be His people, He will change them to be holy just like He is holy. This changing with be a process. The very first thing is they must do first is turn to God.

18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,

Many Gentiles were turning to God and they had a lot to learn but James tells them not to trouble these new converts by piling everything up on them all at once. He then gives them a short list, probably what the major issues were in their day. Here's the short list.

20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.

Do you really think this is an end all list for Christians? Do you really think its okay for a Christian to lie, steal and kill as long as he doesn't eat things that were strangled? Do you really think its okay for a Christian to worship false gods, covet, dishonor their parents and forget the Sabbath as long as they stay away from things polluted by idols? If you do believe this, you have been misled through a partial reading of the Scriptures. Remember, these are Gentiles who were just turning to God, they had a lot to learn but we, even today, shouldn't pile everything on a new Christian all at once. We tell them the basics and then rest they will learn later as they attend church. This is just what is being said here, lets continue reading and you find James saying how they will learn the rest of what they need to know because what they need to know is being taught in church every Sabbath. Sabbath was not Sunday back then nor is it today. Listen.

21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Anyone who even spend a little in the Scriptures will soon learn that the Law points our sin and brings condemnation for that sin. The cannot save you. Salvation is a free gift so the Law has done its job to shut everyone's mouth but it also opens everyone's eyes to what love and righteousness should look like. The Law is like a mirror that we use to make sure our face is not dirty and if it is we wash it with the blood of Christ.
 
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Question,

Were does sin come from?

Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul says sin dwells in us. but where in us?

Mar 7:20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
Mar 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mar 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mar 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Jesus taught that it was out of a mans heart that evil comes.

No wonder David cried out:

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

I bet if anyone can create a clean heart in us it would be the creator of all things.

Does God promise to do this?

Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.



God has promised to clean us in Jesus blood and sacrifice. and give us a new heart, praise God. how do I get it? faith in the promise and ask for it as David did and it will be yours.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

God wants to write His law on our hearts. amazing, not anything we can do but God does it. thus Faith not works.

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

God wants to write on our hearts a letter to the world of His power to save from sin.

Question If God is creator and can create in us a new heart that has His law in it.

Do you really think he will give us a new heart that still brings forth sin?
 
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Why dont we take revelation and John the apostle?
he was the last living apostle and was 90 years old when he wrote 1 2 3 john and revelation

what does he say?

this is 60 years after Jesus went to heaven...

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
1 John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1 John 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1 John 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1 John 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1 John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
1 John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1 John 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1 John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
1 John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1 John 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1 John 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
1 John 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." -1 John 2:3.


"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." -1 John 2:4.


"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight." -1 John 3:22.


"And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." -1 John 3:24.


"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments." -1 John 5:2.


"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." -1 John 5:3.


"And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it." -2 John 1:6.

how about the wisest man in the history of the world?


Eccl 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Eccl 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
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Karraster

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#38
What else should anyone do if not walk humbly with our Creator? How can 2 walk together if not agreed?

Law keeping for sake of self saving is futile, but in reality, we all should beware of THE Lawless one...just sayin
 
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2Thewaters

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#39
The only way to keep the law is a relationship with Jesus
a personal one

you cant do it by trying

what you need to be is born again
ad the power of the holy one overshadows you and you walk in all the commandments

this is well explained in the bible

Nicodemous,
your a ruler in Israel and you dont know what it means to be born again?

how?
just ask and pray and give your life to Jesus 100 PErcent

tell him take all y time take all my love take all my money take all my plans and let me follow you.


and you will be born again.


the disciples, all had to give up everything or they could not be a disciples

that hasnt changed....

but trreligions have changed and made fake disisciples, saying you can still live and work for yourself and still call yourself a disciple by oging to church three hours a week and prayer meeting

no way not going to happen.
 

gotime

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Gods people are to be righteous.

notice these texts:

Dan 9:7 O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee,...

Psa 145:17 The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.

Psa 36:6 Thy righteousness is like the great mountains

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Psa 11:7 For the righteous LORD loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright.

God is righteous and righteousness is from Him and His commandments are righteous and he loves righteousness.

Righteousness is the opposite of sin.

1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not;...

Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

1Ti 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin...

So we are to wake to righteousness and sin not because sin is unrighteousness.

Of Jesus it says:

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

God imputes righteousness to us not by works but by Faith. does that mean we are only declared righteous but in reality still unrighteous?



1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

clearly no, Christ by His Own Righteousness makes us righteous even as He is righteous.