BEWARE the Lawkeepers

[IDEAtor]

I edited my earlier reply:

2 Peter 1:5-? says..."For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ"

This passage is interesting to me, because James 1 talks about how testing and trials (can) produce perseverance (James 1:2-?).
Thus, to "make every effort to add" --among other things-- "perseverance" is to prepare for tests and the like.
Or maybe I mean to say, "If you want to persevere, welcome the test (whatever it is) while trusting God."
When our trust is fully in God, obedience follows. This does not mean that we trust the experience, but it does mean... through the
worst moments, God is. And who better to follow than the Lord "of all creation" (Colossians 1:15)?

 

[homwardbound]

Good point. So we can violate the spirit of the law without breaking the law outwardly.

How does sin come to be per James? first it is thought of and if one manifests on it, whether one wants to or not do it, does what with the thought of thinking about it, for too long, is sin thus born?
And death comes by it?
So:
Galatians 6:8
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Just have the conscience to not sin, go ahead and what happens I think you all know?
Now if conscience is purged from sin, and one is too busy praising God and thanking God is there time to sin, since one is too busy thanking and praising God

Purpose Christ is to purge

Hebrews 10:2
For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

So are you purged yet? maybe start tho trust and beleive God it is done for you personally. I think you already know this though, so to all who read this that have doubt, maybe time to sinch it up in completed in Christ

 

[homwardbound]

sorry bro.

When people see law they think works. They think obedience. They think etc etc.

Paul said the works of the law and grace do not mix. Your argument is with him.

EG, one does lead to the other though, and yes they do not mix, like oil and water, but one does show thew other, so thhe Law is still today used to show the sincere worshiper his or hers need to just trust god alone and not take this grace for granted. So in JamuelJ sense they do mix, and yet don't
It has always been about God's love to all from day one in Mercy as is shown the very first day of the fall from God to Adam and Eve and thus to us all

 

[homwardbound]

so when is the last time you went to your priest and gave him a lamby to sacrifice for you?

if the law is still in effect. as paul says, your indebted to keep it all. God did not give bits and peaces of a law we can pick and chose what to follow.

You either follow it all. Are you are a hypocrite for declaring it still valid.

The Spirit of the Law. Love is and always has been in effect. It is the Letter misrepresentation of the Law that is not in effect, Christ showed the truth of the Law and fulfilled it in Love to all?
I think you misunderstand JamuelJ?

 

[homwardbound]

It would help if such 'cultured' words had any Scriptural support...

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Now Brother that depends on what works, self or God's finished works working through you by Faith in Christ's finished works for you and all. right or wrong here?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good.

Now what are some of the blessings God gave for those who kept the Law?

did they keep it in the spirit (ie like david)

Or keep it because God said so. so I better do it?

Was it out of love, and the spirit of the law. or by the letter

 

[homwardbound]

There is no argument until one says it is mandatory.

You know that goes both ways you think?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you think God wanted Israel to keep the Law?
And if so, did they keep it?

The answer would be quite simply no,

Syria, Babylon, Media persia, Greece and Rome come to mind..

 

[homwardbound]

i do not think they get this. If the word mandatory, Required, or must do is used, it is ;legalism, because it claims something will be lost or not given if it is not done

yet for some reason, they can not find it in them to say Should, Reasonable, of benefit to you if you do these things, because God wants a better life for you.

In Christ all things are permissible to me and for me and not just for me, for all.
So what is left to decide?
What is beneficial for me right?
so if i find worshiping on the Sabbath beneficial for me is there anything wrong with it for me? Maybe to you or someone else, yet not to me, so why should I or you be persecuted for it, if you do or not?
Is it not God's job to teach us truth over error to free us to walk by Faith in God and not stress out over what another does or does not do?
Is not this what all of Romans 14 is actually about? Food was the problem at that time, where as today that has expanded out to many other things

Romans 14 much deeper than just food issue?

 

[Dan_473]

It's the heart alright...it's the heart that's desperately evil.

I think the person I was responding to was using heart to mean the part of you that senses the leading of the spirit... So we could say where the spirit leads fits the situation... Grace to you!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think it's important to know what God said when He gave the Law. That helps us understand Jesus' view of it.

You was already shown what God said when he gave it.

deut 27
[SUP]26 [/SUP]‘Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’

confirmed by Paul.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

 

[homwardbound]

Our obedience is as an apple tree bearing apples. The grower doesn't command the tree, ''Grow apples!'', but it is in the nature of the tree to bear fruit. So is our new nature as born again Christians.
Ya'll born again aren't ya? Ya?

Well if your fruit is real, waht are you worried about with others? Did not Christ say to one of his disciples why are you worried about the other and where he is going and or doing, You have your Job, what you are Baptized to do and John his

Waht are we you all, believers with our own cookie cutters, trying to do the Job of God, and make others what others are no9t called to be? Who is our teacher, and are we not to share and praise one another? To do trust in trusting Father to do what is need to be done and that be love to all?
You think? Maybe is G0od's love to all or not?

 

[homwardbound]

Conversely, can you keep the spirit of the Law while violating the letter?

Now Brother that there is a big no way possible and is the revealing of oil and water do not mix, when one comes to full truth

 

[homwardbound]

How can a cup that is overflowing be done away and not in effect?

It can't and it is God that brings each to see that, thank you

 

[homwardbound]

I went there this morning...

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.



Paul says it is in effect...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

But better yet, let me quote the most unpopular Voice in the New Testament...

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

So yes, I went before the High Priest this morning and the Lamb was offered for my sins yet again.

It is all in the eye of the beholder, i see this, and am over elatedly thankful to God who does just love us all

 

[homwardbound]

Posters tell us it its a terrible thing and we will go to hell for demanding works, yet scripture says Mat_5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. If one of us posted that in our own words we would be all be tarred and feathered.

By Christ's death you are made perfect before Father Sister,, and go ahead and worship what you see as truth to do and be as led, I do not condemn you, because God does not condemn me
He went to the cross for all, I am nothing special, thanking God in all humility to all
God does just love us all does God not?

 

[homwardbound]

I think this has been a wonderful post. To me, the people who are against God giving law to us today have proven they are not thinking through the Lord, or even with secular logic.

They say if you have law you can't have grace, yet scripture tells of both as good to have.

They say that because Christ made the law complete, it is finished and over. Even in the secular world completing something doesn't mean it has no more use, if that was so no one would have a home for it is complete. In the spiritual world, that would be even more so, God created how our world here works, too.

One said that because we renew our minds with grace the law has no effect!!

One reasoned that he is resting in the Lord all the time, so he isn't about to rest in the Lord on a Sabbath he chooses in the way scripture suggests would be good for us.

Another reasoning is that the definition of "yoke and burden" bible tells of is "all the law".

Some insist that to tell of law is to say that ANY disobedience means death for the disobedient one and if we judge them (who is judging?) by saying law is good they will judge us severely.

A good portion of the people against the law keepers is judgments of those who keep the law. They use that name as a dirty name in their eyes, law keepers don't even have a name for those against. I haven't found personal judgments and vile accusations in their posts for these things are from the demons fighting God. This is the way demons work, it is not from God. Their arguments for law is done using scripture as a base for how they reason, not condemnation of people.

I am just an elderly woman who hasn't even a college degree, but these things just don't add up to scripture to me, and that God wants us to do our best to follow and obey Him does add up.

It is Law to me to Love as Christ has already loved me at the cross and that love goes on forever and to all it is done for all to respond back in love to all, you think?

 

[homwardbound]

It is interesting to say the least.

IF you try to love your neighbor then you try to keep the law.

IF you try to not have lustful thoughts they you try to keep the law.

If you try not to steal then you try to keep the law.

IF you try to put God first in everything then you try to keep the law.

Yet you then argue against those who say the Grace of Christ transformed us into law keepers by faith in Jesus.

I think the problem is that you keep failing and I know why. its because you are trying to keep the law without realizing that its the work of God in you.

Thus you actually are guilty of what you say about us.

Have Faith in Gods work in you and your efforts to love will be empowered by the God of heaven.

I don't mean "you" RedTent.

Good explanation of triers and doers by Faith in Christ to be able to walk in love as he already showed us just to trust in Father to do what is needed to be done, love it
thank you

 

[KohenMatt]

did they keep it in the spirit (ie like david)

Or keep it because God said so. so I better do it?

Was it out of love, and the spirit of the law. or by the letter

My question still stands,

What are some of the blessings God gave for Israel when they followed the Law?

 

[KohenMatt]

The answer would be quite simply no,

Syria, Babylon, Media persia, Greece and Rome come to mind..

I don't think the answer is as simple as you say, because for many generations they were.

And eventually yes, they did walk in complete disobedience and were conquered and taken captive as you mentioned.

But still, God had in mind for them to follow it and blessed them for doing so.