Biblical Mary!

[Edify]

You have no authority to say Catholics are not Christian. Perhaps you should repent of the hatred you have learned.

I don't hate them at all.
Israelites who rebelled against God were judged the harshest because of their open rebellion from God & His word. Since God is still the same, how can we judge true catholics as saved when their traditions of men far outweigh the scriptures they keep?
Many scribes & pharisees were judged by Jesus for keeping the traditions of the elders & believing they were God's commands.
Replacing God's Word with traditions of men is open rebellion against God.

 

[CS1]

Mary was the lowly vessel of faith that God chose to come to earth in a body pre-ordained and prepared, NOT by Mary, but by God Himself.

Mary yielded her body unto the Coming of the Messiah as Prophesied by God in the Garden in Genesis.

Mary was a sinner in need of Salvation along with John the Baptist, Peter, Paul, John, Matthew Mark, Luke and the rest of the disciples.

We never hear of Mary again after the fulifillment of the Gospel. Jesus never exalted Mary above the Apostles.

We ONLY hear of the Savior = Jesus the CHRIST = the Resurrected LORD of Heaven and Earth and Who alone has the Keys to Death and Hades.

I would be very careful how one speaks about Jesus Momma. Anyone who speaks about my mother going to have hands laid on them Suddenly.

The Word of God says She was Blessed among all women. She said, " be unto me as you have said". This woman suffered possible death by the very law of Moses. And Joseph was going to put her away quietly so she would not suffer death. Angel came and had to tell Joseph do not worry this is not the action of unfaith women BUT ONE Highly Exalted BY GOD.

Thank God for this faithful woman. What the world did to her was do what she never wanted to be made to be worshiped. This is why God hid Moses' body. Could you imagine the foolishness if we had the body of Moses today?

Do you think Grave sucking is bad now? Just thinking Moses' body was found? We are to honor Mary as the Bible says to. BUT worship is only to GOD.

 

[Magenta]

You say that 'Flesh begets flesh only'. Apparantly you don't understand the nature of Jesus, he was both God and Man and, try as you like, that nature is inseparable. And you are wrong again when you say that Christ was the seed of David. According to Scripture, Christ was the seed of the Holy Spirit in Mary. For a senior member you don't seem to know too much.

Literally, Christ being the seed of David means that He is
one of David’s descendants, being born of the house of David.

2 Timothy 2:8
“Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David
was raised from the dead according to my gospel:”

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her seed;
He shall bruise you on the head,
And you shall bruise him on the heel.

Galatians 3:16
Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed.
He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but
rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ."

Matthew 22:42
“What do you think about the Christ, whose son is He?” They *said to Him, “The son of David.”

Mark 10:47
When he heard that it was Jesus the Nazarene, he began to cry out and say, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!”

 

[DavidTree]

I would be very careful how one speaks about Jesus Momma. Anyone who speaks about my mother going to have hands laid on them Suddenly.

The Word of God says She was Blessed among all women. She said, " be unto me as you have said". This woman suffered possible death by the very law of Moses. And Joseph was going to put her away quietly so she would not suffer death. Angel came and had to tell Joseph do not worry this is not the action of unfaith women BUT ONE Highly Exalted BY GOD.

Thank God for this faithful woman. What the world did to her was do what she never wanted to be made to be worshiped. This is why God hid Moses' body. Could you imagine the foolishness if we had the body of Moses today?

Do you think Grave sucking is bad now? Just thinking Moses' body was found? We are to honor Mary as the Bible says to. BUT worship is only to GOD.

i am so glad that you made the connection to satan seeking Moses body, as the Jews today cry and worship over the dead body of rabbi Schneerson - every year = habitual idolatry.

i am a former Catholic and know of the deadly trap of Mary worship.

 

[rayzor]

You say that 'Flesh begets flesh only'. Apparantly you don't understand the nature of Jesus, he was both God and Man and, try as you like, that nature is inseparable. And you are wrong again when you say that Christ was the seed of David. According to Scripture, Christ was the seed of the Holy Spirit in Mary. For a senior member you don't seem to know too much.

Root and offspring of David according to scripture bunny rabbit.

 

[SophieT]

True catholics aren't christians because of their open rebellion in their doctrine. Such rebellion when they could read their own bible that states the truth is unacceptable. It would surprise you to know that many differences in Protestant doctrine is because of catholicism. It is a terrible thing that many denominations don't believe Act 2 is for them because of 3rd or 4th century catholic church doctrine.
Hellish, it is.

another 'ouch' award here

true Catholics...what are those exactly? I have to laugh because Christians constantly demonstrate that reading their Bibles have not done them as much good as you would think. really

Catholic doctrine has not messed up the Protestant side of things as much as the actual Protestants have

 

[JaumeJ]

Never judge by appearances, rather judge if you must with right judgment.

 

[DavidTree]

Matt 1: 25 (speaking about Joseph) " and did not know her (sex) till she had brought forth her first born Son." Mary was not a perpetual virgin.

AGREE
Mary and Joseph were wed as husband and wife before God, and as such, fulfilled their wedding vows unto God after Jesus was born.

 

[SophieT]

i am so glad that you made the connection to satan seeking Moses body, as the Jews today cry and worship over the dead body of rabbi Schneerson - every year = habitual idolatry.

i am a former Catholic and know of the deadly trap of Mary worship.

c'mon David

the point being made, and I made it even before CS1's post, is that Mary was greeted by the angel as highly favored and blessed of God

THAT is the point. we know about the rest

I am very familiar with Catholics having grown up in the province of Quebec, Canada...the bastion of all things Catholic in North America although you certainly would not recognize them as such today. backlash at religion instead...hey my dad was formally Catholic as well as my brother's wife and I almost married one who had accepted Christ.

you know, much of the arguing in the forums here would not occur if people would stick to what others actually say and not insert personal jabs into the conversation

I hope you do not think this is slamming or beating you up or whatever word you used the other day to describe one of my posts to you in which I disagreed...you do have a flair for the dramatic at times

 

[Edify]

Arguing doctrine is pointless because for every scripture I post someone else will have another refuting it.

I've never seen what I would call a true miraculous sign or wonder. All I've seen are fake ones. So based on my experience, 100% of so-called signs and wonders are false. Not genuine signs that were done by Satan, outright fakes. If I ever saw a true one I might think differently. I'm not a cessationist, I'm open to the possibility; but so far all I've ever seen are con-men and women.

Just because we believe differently doesn't mean we don't share the same frustrations with phonies. I see them nearly every day, & they make me sick. Hillsong, Bethel, and Steve Furtick among many others make merchandise of the church with all their fanaticism.

According to scripture, they will try to deceive the very elect. This is why there's so many are falling away as we speak. They are in place to draw christians away from true prophets because God said He would do nothing without telling/showing His servants the prophets.

Many christians will not get answers in these last days because false prophets cause real prophets to be belittled (despised) in their eyes. They won't hear them or accept their words because false prophets have ruined their reputations.

That's the double-edged sword with false prophets. Believe them & be damned or don't believe them & refuse all prophets. Either way, Satan wins.

 

[DavidTree]

c'mon David

the point being made, and I made it even before CS1's post, is that Mary was greeted by the angel as highly favored and blessed of God

THAT is the point. we know about the rest

I am very familiar with Catholics having grown up in the province of Quebec, Canada...the bastion of all things Catholic in North America although you certainly would not recognize them as such today. backlash at religion instead...hey my dad was formally Catholic as well as my brother's wife and I almost married one who had accepted Christ.

you know, much of the arguing in the forums here would not occur if people would stick to what others actually say and not insert personal jabs into the conversation

I hope you do not think this is slamming or beating you up or whatever word you used the other day to describe one of my posts to you in which I disagreed...you do have a flair for the dramatic at times

My insanity lost his marbles at the toy store one day and unfortunately another child took them home.
When we went to the Tile Store to pick out a new kitchen counter top, he thought he had been raptured and gone to Heaven.
Upon closer inspection he found out that his marbles were flattened out and cut into squares.
Disallusioned and fretful he took off his new glorified body and went back to earth where he now protests outside a Marble Quarry.

Moral of the story - Rolling Stones are sought after but not Found - Square and belongs down here.

If you think that's crazy you haven't met his sister.

 

[JaumeJ]

My understanding from the Master is that it is a faithless and evil generation that seeks a sign.

This cleared, those who believe do experience signes and wonders. Of time those signs and wonders ande only perceived by that faithful individual.; I know, for I truly have experienced many.

When anyone recounts to me a sign or wonder or any spiritual indication given them by our beloved Maker, I believe it until I have reason not to. So far, I am left believing many peoplel

The family here is wonderful, espeically here right now.

Somethng that has me oncerned is that many people here have a tendency toexplain myteries which have not yet been truly revealed giving most credit to a learned doctrine from others rrather than wawaiting the Father revealing thos mysteries. I pray all avoid such actions for they will not help in theWay, the Truth and the Life, await the Holy Spirit or that Great Day of our Lord when IT IS hE wHO WILL REVEAL ALL MYTERIES.

It is almost 7 pm here, my lights out. All love in Jesus Yeshua............jusqu'wu deman...

 

[SophieT]

Just because we believe differently doesn't mean we don't share the same frustrations with phonies. I see them nearly every day, & they make me sick. Hillsong, Bethel, and Steve Furtick among many others make merchandise of the church with all their fanaticism.

According to scripture, they will try to deceive the very elect. This is why there's so many are falling away as we speak. They are in place to draw christians away from true prophets because God said He would do nothing without telling/showing His servants the prophets.

Many christians will not get answers in these last days because false prophets cause real prophets to be belittled (despised) in their eyes. They won't hear them or accept their words because false prophets have ruined their reputations.

That's the double-edged sword with false prophets. Believe them & be damned or don't believe them & refuse all prophets. Either way, Satan wins.

well I tell you what...another ouchie! I try not to be that generous, but it is what it is (I also try not to speak in cliches but...)

I don't think that sharing frustrations is a mark of 'true Christians' We deceive ourselves every single day, especially if we think we are somehow in a class where we cannot be deceived

who are the real prophets according to you? God has already spoken and if we deviate from what has been plainly revealed, we will give our ears to extra biblical sources who tickle those ears. that would include bestowing the name 'prophet' on people we happen to agree with

one reason there is so much error and merchandising of the church (as you put it), is because so many churches have very little to offer except for a 1 hour service on Sunday morning and possibly a mid week Bible study. People want more and that is easily demonstrated by the packed to capacity churches that give more....whether for right or wrong or good or bad

it is not all bad and we should not be made sick by what we disagree with, but rather saddened as they are also of the body of Christ...everyone is not going to hell because they go to Furtick's church. while I do not 'follow' him, he does make some very good points ..... and I also disagree with becoming filthy rich by preaching the gospel. it should not be for sale...and that is a whole 'nother' thread I guess

anyway, I seem to take exception to broad brush painting for some reason

 

[SophieT]

My insanity lost his marbles at the toy store one day and unfortunately another child took them home.
When we went to the Tile Store to pick out a new kitchen counter top, he thought he had been raptured and gone to Heaven.
Upon closer inspection he found out that his marbles were flattened out and cut into squares.
Disallusioned and fretful he took off his new glorified body and went back to earth where he now protests outside a Marble Quarry.

Moral of the story - Rolling Stones are sought after but not Found - Square and belongs down here.

If you think that's crazy you haven't met his sister.

I don't think any of that is crazy

but now ask me about eccentric

 

[arthurfleminger]

Flesh begets flesh only. According to the flesh Christ was of the seed of David.

Evmur, your ignorance is overwhelming. Jesus nature was of God and man, this nature is inseparable. Both God and man. Are you so ignorant that you can't see that Mary is of the genealogy of David and fulfills the prophecy of the Seed of David?

St. Luke (2:4) says that St. Joseph went from Nazareth to Bethlehem to be enrolled, “because he was of the house and family of David”. As if to exclude all doubt concerning the Davidic descent of Mary, the Evangelist (1:32, 69) states that the child born of Mary without the intervention of man shall be given “the throne of David His father”, and that the Lord God has “raised up a horn of salvation to us in the house of David his servant”. [1] St. Paul too testifies that Jesus Christ “was made to him [God] of the seed of David, according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3). If Mary were not of Davidic descent, her Son conceived by the Holy Ghost could not be said to be “of the seed of David”. Hence commentators tell us that in the text “in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God. . .to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David” (Luke 1:26-27); the last clause “of the house of David” does not refer to Joseph, but to the virgin who is the principal person in the narrative; thus we have a direct inspired testimony to Mary’s Davidic descent. [2]

 

[DavidTree]

I don't think any of that is crazy

but now ask me about eccentric

WOW - Excendrica is his sister. She takes things to the extreme at times. When her brother lost his marbles at the toy store she dialed 911 to report an abduction. When the Police showed up she had already painted the body outlines all over the store floor.
Undeterred by their lack of cooperation, she enlisted parents and children who were in the store to form a search party.
Which ended up at Stone Cold Ice Cream for further gathering of evidence and discussion.
She now is the Head of the Coalition for Biden's Lost Marbles and we are praying for her return.

 

[Magenta]

Evmur, your ignorance is overwhelming. Jesus nature was of God and man, this nature is inseparable. Both God and man. Are you so ignorant that you can't see that Mary is of the genealogy of David and fulfills the prophecy of the Seed of David?

And you are wrong again when you say that Christ was the seed of David.

You contradict yourself.

 

[rayzor]

And, if Mary is the mother of Jesus, she is surely the mother of God. Is Jesus God or is He not?

Did you know Jesus said to call no one on earth your father.It stands to reason then that maybe he would not call his earthly mother mother

 

[eternally-gratefull]

True catholics aren't christians because of their open rebellion in their doctrine. Such rebellion when they could read their own bible that states the truth is unacceptable. It would surprise you to know that many differences in Protestant doctrine is because of catholicism. It is a terrible thing that many denominations don't believe Act 2 is for them because of 3rd or 4th century catholic church doctrine.
Hellish, it is.

the only thing that would make them a non christian would be if they trusted in a false gospel for salvation.

acts 2 is for everyone, But we must interpret it correctly.

 

[DavidTree]

Evmur, your ignorance is overwhelming. Jesus nature was of God and man, this nature is inseparable. Both God and man. Are you so ignorant that you can't see that Mary is of the genealogy of David and fulfills the prophecy of the Seed of David?

St. Luke (2:4) says that St. Joseph went from Nazareth to Bethlehem to be enrolled, “because he was of the house and family of David”. As if to exclude all doubt concerning the Davidic descent of Mary, the Evangelist (1:32, 69) states that the child born of Mary without the intervention of man shall be given “the throne of David His father”, and that the Lord God has “raised up a horn of salvation to us in the house of David his servant”. [1] St. Paul too testifies that Jesus Christ “was made to him [God] of the seed of David, according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3). If Mary were not of Davidic descent, her Son conceived by the Holy Ghost could not be said to be “of the seed of David”. Hence commentators tell us that in the text “in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God. . .to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David” (Luke 1:26-27); the last clause “of the house of David” does not refer to Joseph, but to the virgin who is the principal person in the narrative; thus we have a direct inspired testimony to Mary’s Davidic descent. [2]

AGREE - all this Scripture is TRUE and points to the Messiah, who was to come in the flesh of the seed of David of the Tribe of Judah, born of a virgin, miraculous birth as prophesied in Genesis in the Garden and a foreshadow through Abraham and Sarah - AMEN

Notice how the fulifillment of Prophecy is about Christ and not Mary. Mary's part was the 'virgin' foretold in Isaiah 7:14
"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel."

No mention of the name Mary in Isaiah 7:14 but the Scripture points us to Immanuel = "God with us".

So God came to earth in the form of His Son to defeat Sin on the cross and because HE committed no sin, Death could not hold Him.

Mary had to be cleansed from sin no differently then any other Child of God who comes to Christ.

There are no exceptions because "ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God."

"Blessed is she who believed, for there will be a fulfillment of those things which were told her from the Lord.”
And Mary said:

“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
48For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
49For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
And holy is His name.
50And His mercy is on those who fear Him
From generation to generation.
51He has shown strength with His arm;
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
And exalted the lowly.
53He has filled the hungry with good things,
And the rich He has sent away empty.
54He has helped His servant Israel,
In remembrance of His mercy,
55As He spoke to our fathers,
To Abraham and to his seed forever.”