Biblical support for the 'Big bang'

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wattie

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The other day a kid about 8 years old asked me what I thought of the big bang.

All I know is the planets are travelling in a way that shows they came from an initial point. A beginning event.

I used to think the big bang was not biblical.. but now in think if you look at Genesis in God creating the universe..

Something akin to a 'big bang' would make sense.

I guess the debate is around how long that took and whether it was something from nothing or God created..
 

Deade

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The other day a kid about 8 years old asked me what I thought of the big bang.

All I know is the planets are travelling in a way that shows they came from an initial point. A beginning event.

I used to think the big bang was not biblical.. but now in think if you look at Genesis in God creating the universe..

Something akin to a 'big bang' would make sense.

I guess the debate is around how long that took and whether it was something from nothing or God created..
Well wattie, the more we learn through science the more we come to realize just what we don't know. Things like singularity, super-gravity, black holes, dark matter, quarks, strings, etc...

It is very humbling. Too bad our theologians are not as humble.
 

Melach

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the big bang is future:

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

in the past if you want how world was created its genesis nothing about big bang there
 

stillness

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The other day a kid about 8 years old asked me what I thought of the big bang.

All I know is the planets are travelling in a way that shows they came from an initial point. A beginning event.

I used to think the big bang was not biblical.. but now in think if you look at Genesis in God creating the universe..

Something akin to a 'big bang' would make sense.

I guess the debate is around how long that took and whether it was something from nothing or God created..
Languages were confused so that we would not have unity wirhout the Holy Spirit. In a diferant language the same question could be: Is ceeation biblical, lol
I have no trouble with how
"In the begining, God creating"... as we cant be there to comprehend. Neither does years at the speed of light chalenge Faith for me. But its interesting that at the speed of light there is no time, and it sais that "God dwels in unaprochable light that no man can aproch to." But notice the hiden meaning in those days of creation, and verse one is not likely inclused in those days. Also evening and morning could just as well be translated ending and begining, neither should we asume time gap in those days, as the plants are created on day 3 and the son on day 4. Also many think that the Son apearing on day 4 is Jesus apearing on earth after 4,000 years. "As with the Lord a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." Now we are at the ending of the 6 day and the fall of man: It's close to 6,000 years since Adam, close to 2,000 years since Jesus at 30 years of age (when He began His mimistry), said, "Today and tomorow, I heal the sick and cast out devils, and the third day I shall be prefected." "Blessed are those who have part in the first Resurrection, they will reign with Him for a thousand years." This would be the Sevent day. "The rest of the dead are not raised until the thousand years are fulfilled." These 3 days also refer to the rebuilding of His temple. That Jesus fulfilled in our time as the head of the church. "Now we are the body of Christ," awaiting resurrection.
 

Dino246

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I think it's important to distinguish between observational science and theoretical science. The "big bang" belongs in the latter category. It was not and cannot be observed; the best we have is speculations based on assumptions based on hypotheses.

The big bang is a theoretical model of the origin of the universe. It is anti-scientific because it violates principles of physics that are known from observational science such as the laws of thermodynamics. At the same time, it is widely embraced because it is exciting, very difficult to understand, and conveniently consistent with a non-theistic origin of the universe. In previous generations, we would call such things "magic".

Even the observational data that we do have, such as cosmic background radiation, red shifts, and other phenomena, don't come anywhere near proving the big bang. They just happen to be consistent with it but we ignore (or are never told) the fact that such observations may be consistent with other models. It's a logical fallacy on a cosmic scale... literally. :)
 

stillness

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The other day a kid about 8 years old asked me what I thought of the big bang.

All I know is the planets are travelling in a way that shows they came from an initial point. A beginning event.

I used to think the big bang was not biblical.. but now in think if you look at Genesis in God creating the universe..

Something akin to a 'big bang' would make sense.

I guess the debate is around how long that took and whether it was something from nothing or God created..
There is scientific evidence that everything comes from Light. In verse 2, "let there be light." We see according to our learned language that cant be relied on because we know in part. "Lean not on your own understanding but trust im the Lord. Trust is power to move forward in God, and as long as we dont think we know in our understanding, we continue to learn of the Lord. But the past, we cant solve except our own. "As we walk in the Light, as He is in the Light, we have fellowship one with Another and the blood of Jesus clenses us from all sin."
 
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I think it's important to distinguish between observational science and theoretical science. The "big bang" belongs in the latter category. It was not and cannot be observed; the best we have is speculations based on assumptions based on hypotheses.

The big bang is a theoretical model of the origin of the universe. It is anti-scientific because it violates principles of physics that are known from observational science such as the laws of thermodynamics. At the same time, it is widely embraced because it is exciting, very difficult to understand, and conveniently consistent with a non-theistic origin of the universe. In previous generations, we would call such things "magic".

Even the observational data that we do have, such as cosmic background radiation, red shifts, and other phenomena, don't come anywhere near proving the big bang. They just happen to be consistent with it but we ignore (or are never told) the fact that such observations may be consistent with other models. It's a logical fallacy on a cosmic scale... literally. :)
Agreed it goes against principles of physics. You can't create something out of nothing we are told. Yet the big bang theory requires this before the big bang occurs.
 

JaumeJ

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The other day a kid about 8 years old asked me what I thought of the big bang.

All I know is the planets are travelling in a way that shows they came from an initial point. A beginning event.

I used to think the big bang was not biblical.. but now in think if you look at Genesis in God creating the universe..

Something akin to a 'big bang' would make sense.

I guess the debate is around how long that took and whether it was something from nothing or God created..
As for the creation, as having faith, I believe God spoke all into being, and all will be spoken out, both a big bang if that suits.

Now as per the planets coming from a central point, yes and no. According to man's theories the planets were formed by either fwhat is cotained in the dynamic encounter theory, or what is contained in the filament theory which includes coelescing gases and solids.

The yes part is that all of these, pllanets and stars from which they were made, according to those theories, all first came from a mass of energy.


Now all who wish to follow these theories may do so and yet continue not being capable of explaing the origin of that first mass of energy.

I understand these theories, however my true belief takes me to our Father Who is all powerful. All means anything He chooses sto do, He will with no effort. I believe His wisdom, His knowledge, and His understanding, and I pray daily for these gifts not just for me but for all who claim to beieve.

There eally is not good reason in faith not to believe God. May all receive His wisdom understanding, and knowledge so as never to be deceived by the false versions, amen.
 

Lanolin

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Isaiah 40:22 indicates God stretches out the heavens like a curtain.

So the whole stretching bit explains why it seems the planets are travelling further away from each other, it seems (to us) like the universe is expanding. It doesnt necessarily have to be as the result of a 'big bang' thats just what some scientists speculate. Certianly when i stretch out my curtains, they dont make a 'big bang' noise, they just unfurl.
 

JaumeJ

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Would this be a "big bang="

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

It will definitely be a loud noice...
 

PS

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The other day a kid about 8 years old asked me what I thought of the big bang.

All I know is the planets are travelling in a way that shows they came from an initial point. A beginning event.

I used to think the big bang was not biblical.. but now in think if you look at Genesis in God creating the universe..

Something akin to a 'big bang' would make sense.

I guess the debate is around how long that took and whether it was something from nothing or God created..
I can't see it myself. The 'days' seem to indicate it happened over a period of time.
 

dcontroversal

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Things are not made of what they appear to be made of...........and some things are PAST FINDING OUT......

I dare to say that NO amount of humanistic reasoning and or science will ever be able to accurately describe the full scope of creation, how God did it and WHAT material was used........

This is not directed at the OP, but rather some of the other comments.......

God's ways and thoughts are so much higher than ours....and the bible is clear.....some things are beyond human reasoning and or past finding out.....
 

MattforJesus

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The other day a kid about 8 years old asked me what I thought of the big bang.

All I know is the planets are travelling in a way that shows they came from an initial point. A beginning event.

I used to think the big bang was not biblical.. but now in think if you look at Genesis in God creating the universe..

Something akin to a 'big bang' would make sense.

I guess the debate is around how long that took and whether it was something from nothing or God created..
God does need to use a big bang and have it spread out from there, and everything God created came from a direct result of Him creating it.

God understands the workings of physical matter and can assemble things like we assemble a 2 piece puzzle, and put it together in it's mature form which everything was made after it's kind not from a lower species to a higher species.

Jesus when He healed did it right off the bat and it did not take time, even putting mud in a person's eyes, and they had eyeballs and could see, so God can create a bird right away, or any other creature or object.

Also God is an omnipresent Spirit that does not have to move for He is already there, so He does not have to move from place to place to create so He can create things in different places at the same time, which He can create things simultaneously so by the time it takes Him to make one star He made them all, and can create the stars at the same time He creates the planets.

God could of created all things in less than 6 days if He wanted but it is compatible with the week we go by the 6 days of creation and the 7th day of rest.

Evolution will be standard religion in the future and they can still evolve to be greater and spiritual when the nations come together, and they will stop the preaching of a personal God, and Jesus is Lord and Savior although they look at Him as a great teacher in spiritual enlightenment and love who evolved to be an ascended master and avatar, because they want peace on earth and they say it is not the truth of a personal God and Jesus is Lord and Savior.

All nations governments will come together but the religion of Islam will rebel and they will defeat them which the war is so terrible that the world accepts the New Age Christ, and then they go against the Christians and defeat them and Jesus gets the remaining saints off the earth, and then they will go against Jerusalem, Jews, for they are all back on their land at that time, but they will not defeat them because Jesus will save them.

So forget that mumbo jumbo evolution, and science does not want to believe in a personal God, but in evolution, but they are telling outlandish lies to cause people to think it is true by beefing it up greater than they really know.

But many people that claim to be with Christ are trying to harmonize Genesis with evolution which should not be done, and God does not need to use the big bang or evolution for He can create things in their mature form right away for nothing is impossible with God.

And that is what they want you to do is look at Genesis as evolution for one thing leads to another, and the children growing up start to look at the Bible differently until they do not believe in a personal God which is what the new age movement wants.

Which the Bible says many shall depart from the faith and accept the new age movement and their false interpretation of the Bible, and the time will come that the world will only want to hear it that way.

The children are the future so things will change which they have been working on them ever since they put out the theory of evolution, and took prayer out of school, science confirms it, and the new age movement.

As for me and my house we will not believe in evolution but a personal God that created all things right away and in their mature form for nothing is impossible with God for He can create a planet like a person putting together a house and much quicker.

1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

With the atheist that does not believe in a God then they must believe that physical matter always exists, for the big bang would of not come from nothing and something had to bang, but it makes more sense that a God always exists than physical matter always exists.

But I do not believe that God created things out of nothing, but it seems as if physical matter also has no beginning but always exists, and God took that physical matter and formed what He wanted out of it, but I do not believe He caused a big bang and let it spread from there, or caused a big bang to create physical matter to use to create.

At least that is the way it seems to me, and I do not want to take away anything from God if He did create out of nothing, but this is the way I see it.

If God did cause a big bang it would be to create physical matter and then use it to create things but not use the big bang to spread to cause evolution unless it was for the atmosphere only and not physical objects.
 

stillness

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Things are not made of what they appear to be made of...........and some things are PAST FINDING OUT......

I dare to say that NO amount of humanistic reasoning and or science will ever be able to accurately describe the full scope of creation, how God did it and WHAT material was used........

This is not directed at the OP, but rather some of the other comments.......

God's ways and thoughts are so much higher than ours....and the bible is clear.....some things are beyond human reasoning and or past finding out.....
Hey we can agree as we get past the trouble to live for the praise of God.
 

wattie

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From looking at what some have written about the big bang, I see that God doesn't need this kind of process to bring about the universe.

I do imagine though.. God creating in 6 days.. the initial first event could have looked like an explosion or light and energy. That's where I can see a 'big bang'
 

Lanolin

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Let there be light...

Much more poetic than 'KABOOM!'
 

Whispered

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The other day a kid about 8 years old asked me what I thought of the big bang.

All I know is the planets are travelling in a way that shows they came from an initial point. A beginning event.

I used to think the big bang was not biblical.. but now in think if you look at Genesis in God creating the universe..

Something akin to a 'big bang' would make sense.

I guess the debate is around how long that took and whether it was something from nothing or God created..
There's a program on TV called, How the Universe Works. It's on the channel, "Science". They've recently rerun the episode, First Second.
I remember watching it when they talked about how everything was created in a second, when all that is the big bang exploded at just the right second. And all that came to exist was perfect. I thought, that's Eden.
And then later it exploded again, and all that was perfect separated. And I thought, and that's the fall, in Genesis.
If you find it on-line or on your local TV programming, you might want to take a look.
One of the scientists says, we're all living in the Big Bang.
I thought that was pretty cool.
 

JaumeJ

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One day in my classroom while studying a map of the world, I commented to my teacher how all the land massess seemed to be related to each other directly by their mere shapes. I was eleven. Of course I had never yet heard of continental drift, now the Bib Boom (Expanding Universe) theories. Now, I did ask my teacher aout my own observations but i KNEW NOTHING OF THE ABOVE THEORIES.

i suppose children today are much more advanced than in earlier generations simply because of the advent of the digital life. God bless them..
 

Whispered

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One day in my classroom while studying a map of the world, I commented to my teacher how all the land massess seemed to be related to each other directly by their mere shapes. I was eleven. Of course I had never yet heard of continental drift, now the Bib Boom (Expanding Universe) theories. Now, I did ask my teacher aout my own observations but i KNEW NOTHING OF THE ABOVE THEORIES.

i suppose children today are much more advanced than in earlier generations simply because of the advent of the digital life. God bless them..
I did the same thing when our first day of school featured a new map of the world. One giant flat surface rather than the huge globe at the center of the room. All the continents and islands , land masses, looked like puzzle pieces to me. Just push them together into one big area of land.
Like you, I didn't know about plate tectonics at that age. I just loved puzzles.

I asked the teacher about this and she started the day off with a lesson on Pangea. The whole class was enthralled.