Biblically sound teachers?

[BenFTW]

Hey, they got results. Can't argue with that. I'm sure a sick person doesn't mind the punch over the life threatening disease or doctor pronounced death sentence. lol They much rather be healed. Not saying this to justify their actions, but you can bet the sick person being healed isn't complaining. They are too busy praising Jesus! haha

 

[Stephen63]

What do u think of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTO3erjEts8

I think while there is some truth to just doing what God says before fully understanding it, this video is hypocritical due to the fact he's teaching this particular scripture while his example is doing the opposite. A great deal of false teaching comes from quoting actual scripture while acting out a twisted definition of it, creating heresy. People learn more from watching than hearing.

Romans 8:26-27 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; [SUP]27 [/SUP]and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

No christian can speak in tongues anytime he wants to, but only when The Holy Spirit chooses to do so. So it is with any gift of the Spirit.

The only thing we can choose to do is allow/not allow ourselves to submit to the Holy Spirit's leading/timing.

1 Corinthians 14:30-33 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; [SUP]32 [/SUP]and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; [SUP]33 [/SUP]for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

This scripture means a prophecy can be given to a christian, yet the christian can wait with the message while another is already prophesying.

No gift is operated within a believer beyond the believer's choice or control.

 

[Stephen63]

and the ultimate hypergrace teachers: Leonard Ravenhill or Charles Finney. Better not mess with him.

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What you stated here is a falsehood. Both ministers strictly believed in the importance of obedience..... Besides that, the hypergrace doctrine wasn't even around during Finney's lifetime.

 

[Grace777x70]

If one can pray with their mind when they want....they can pray with their spirit too. You just activate your will like in praying with your mind. There is a difference between the "gift of tongues" and the prayer language to talk with our Father when ever we want.

The same goes for singing too....it's a blessing to pray with your spirit and to speak to your Father and Lord. It bypasses our own natural mind and understanding. I encourage everyone to ask their Lord for it...it's for everyone and is indeed a great blessing from the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.


1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will praywith the spirit andIwill pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What you stated here is a falsehood. Both ministers strictly believed in the importance of obedience..... Besides that, the hypergrace doctrine wasn't even around during Finney's lifetime.

You're right about Finney. He's at the other end of the spectrum from Hyper-grace, which goes back all the way to the gnostics.

 

[coby]

You're right about Finney. He's at the other end of the spectrum from Hyper-grace, which goes back all the way to the gnostics.

Yeah it was just irony. Man those eyes! I once saw such a preacher, don't know who it was, he pointed straight at you. No 'God loves you sweety, it doesn't matter what you do'.

 

[PeterJens]

You're right about Finney. He's at the other end of the spectrum from Hyper-grace, which goes back all the way to the gnostics.

Just read a exert of Finney's theology and he rejected the idea original sin taught by Calvin
"The doctrines of a nature, sinful per se, of a necessitated will, ofinability, and of physical regeneration, and a physical Divineinfluence in regeneration, with their resulting and kindred dogmas,embarrassed and even confounded me at every step."

I will have to read more about his conclusions because they sound more in line with our thinking than I had realised.

 

[Stephen63]

Ravenhill was an old-school Pentecostal. He believed in proving faith by works..... an excellent preacher.

 

[gb9]

I must respectfully disagree with saying it's cool to believe that we have to prove to each other how saved we are. this is a massive problem in attitude, and flies in the face of " by this all will know you are My disciples that you have LOVE for one another." perhaps you and others in your denomination should ponder this, and not so much being fruit checkers.

 

[lovethelight]

"But do not be called Rabbi (teacher); for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers." I highly recommend you make him your Teacher.

 

[Martinlane]

Tom Bradford.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Just read a exert of Finney's theology and he rejected the idea original sin taught by Calvin
"The doctrines of a nature, sinful per se, of a necessitated will, ofinability, and of physical regeneration, and a physical Divineinfluence in regeneration, with their resulting and kindred dogmas,embarrassed and even confounded me at every step."

I will have to read more about his conclusions because they sound more in line with our thinking than I had realised.

I'm not that familiar with Finney other than to associate him with Pelagians, but he seems to me to have been lacking in grace. It might be worth your while to check out Pelagius. I don't know that much about him either, except that two church councils declared him to be orthodox, and two church councils under the influence of gnostic Augustine declared him to be heretical. The victors write history, so most of what we know about Pelagius was written by his enemies. But from that I don't think he followed what those who are labeled Pelagians do.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yeah it was just irony. Man those eyes! I once saw such a preacher, don't know who it was, he pointed straight at you. No 'God loves you sweety, it doesn't matter what you do'.

I get the impression that 'grace' believers, with their huge chip in their shoulder against religion, must have had a Sunday school teacher that looked like Finney.

 

[Chuckt]

The lengths some people will go to? Are you seriously suggesting that Jesus using saliva (spit) to heal someone is the same as Todd Bently and Smith Wigglesworth violently punching, slapping and kicking people?

You do know the cultural background of the saliva thing?

Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

He can't be a striker like Todd Bently.

1 Timothy 3:3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

Not sure what you mean by saliva. TMI.

 

[NotmebutHim]

Yeah I don't agree with the whole "romancing Jesus" thing or us believers being "in love with Him".

Yes we love Him and He loves us, but He loves us with agape love, not romantic (eros) love. In turn, we love him with either philio (brotherly) love or storge (familial) love; it's probably a combination of both.

 

[coby]

Yeah I don't agree with the whole "romancing Jesus" thing or us believers being "in love with Him".

Yes we love Him and He loves us, but He loves us with agape love, not romantic (eros) love. In turn, we love him with either philio (brotherly) love or storge (familial) love; it's probably a combination of both.

That's because you're a man. I had an awesome romantic dream. We were on a sailship and He was the Captain haha and He posted on a forum how much He had enjoyed our time together.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v2xwT7j1FCE

 

[crossnote]

Can you give me he chapter and verse?

Ephesians 4:11-13 KJVS
[11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 

[thecreationtutor]

James Macdonald
John Piper
John MacAurthur.
Crawford Loritz
Matt Chandler
Chip Ingrim
Chuck Smith
DA Carson
Tony evans

 

[resurrection33]

Ephesians 4:11-13 KJVS
[11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Jesus said we aren't to call ourselves teachers (Matt 23:8). You can't quote the Bible to cancel out something Jesus said.

 

[ember]

Yeah I don't agree with the whole "romancing Jesus" thing or us believers being "in love with Him".

Yes we love Him and He loves us, but He loves us with agape love, not romantic (eros) love. In turn, we love him with either philio (brotherly) love or storge (familial) love; it's probably a combination of both.


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Well, notmebuthim, John is referred to as the beloved disciple..and we read of him resting his head on Jesus chest

western culture finds that type of behavior to be un mannish ( I may have just made up a word)

you should read about how one man would sware an oath to another man and where he would put his hand

I dont much care for the Jesus is my boyfriend mentality, but He is our brother and hey, you know, a person can love their brother alot