Birth of the New Testament Church

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I still don't get what the problem would be in using the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is what the scripture says and I really can't see any problem with it. I don't see Jesus getting upset for someone using the name of the Father and the Holy Ghost along side his when Baptizing. I mean doesn't the scripture teach that those three work together and agree together as one. So really I just can't imagine there would be a problem with it.

Are you implying that by using the name of the Father and Holy Ghost along side Jesus' name it would somehow lessen his power?:unsure:
Father, Son and Holy Ghost are titles not names. Also, Jesus begins His statement with ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME.
Just a few scriptures indicating that there is power in the name of Jesus...Acts 3:6, Acts 4:8, 10; Acts 4:18; Acts 16:18; James 5:14-15.

Even the Apostle Paul was water baptized in Jesus' name and indicates that Jesus' singular name was used in water baptism:

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

"Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:12-13
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#83
Baptism in water or circumcision of the flesh are nothing at all.
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Bible is clear on that.
Circumcision was an Old Testament covenant requirement. Please share 2-3 scriptures confirming New Testament water baptism is not necessary. Thanks.
 
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Circumcision was an Old Testament covenant requirement. Please share 2-3 scriptures confirming New Testament water baptism is not necessary. Thanks.
It’s part of living in grace. A clear theme to the NT.
Not into proof text. If your amateur agenda is to find scripture to prove a point, many points , it is fairly easy to do.
You will however be going against the higher meaning of the Bible.
 
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Old Nick wasn't all that sharp.........after all, he could not grasp the concept of being born again BEING SPIRITUAL REBIRTH................which, of course, AGAIN knocks water baptism outta da picture
 
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It’s part of living in grace. A clear theme to the NT.
Not into proof text. If your amateur agenda is to find scripture to prove a point, many points , it is fairly easy to do.
You will however be going against the higher meaning of the Bible.
Higher meaning of the Bible?

God's Word, the Bible, was given to mankind and the reason is recorded in His Word:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

We are all responsible for our own walk. And I wish you success in yours.
 
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Jesus is having a conversation with Nicodemus, who was a Pharisee. Jesus spoke to Nicodemus in accordance to the Pharisee’s teaching- to be born of water meant to be born physically. This is proved by Nicodemus remark who thought to be born again meant a physical birth “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born? In verse 5, Jesus proceeds to say, “Unless one is born of water and the Spirit, you cannot enter the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus, who was a Pharisee, believed like the other Jews that because he was born a Jew and kept God’s ordinances that he should automatically enter into the kingdom of God. However, Jesus explains this is not enough. In verse 6, Jesus Himself interprets the water as flesh (a physical birth) "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Jesus says of being born of water is to be born of the flesh. Jesus explains the difference, telling Nicodemus you have already had a physical birth, you are in need of a another birth “Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' Literally from the Spirit above to enter the kingdom. You must be born again “that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." The new birth from above is a second birth which gives us eternal life

FOUND HERE

What does Jesus mean we must be Born of water and of Spirit

maybe that will help you understand
 
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Old Nick wasn't all that sharp.........after all, he could not grasp the concept of being born again BEING SPIRITUAL REBIRTH................which, of course, AGAIN knocks water baptism outta da picture
It is a spiritual birth and its parallel can be seen in God's creation of the natural birth. In both cases the created comes forth from water and receives breath.
 
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It is a spiritual birth and its parallel can be seen in God's creation of the natural birth. In both cases the created comes forth from water and receives breath.
U readed rong posty

u no gonna sellz water baptism fer salvation hereZ
 
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Higher meaning of the Bible?

God's Word, the Bible, was given to mankind and the reason is recorded in His Word:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16-17

We are all responsible for our own walk. And I wish you success in yours.
a scripture for you...
Hebrews 5:12
In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!
 
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U readed rong posty

u no gonna sellz water baptism fer salvation hereZ
Good. It's not my job to convince you. Some plant seeds, some water seeds already planted, but God gives the increase. God's increase is what we all want to attain.
All is shared in love.
 
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a scripture for you...
Hebrews 5:12
In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!
You are making my point. The following is the whole scripture in its context:

"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God," Heb 5:12-6:1

The Apostle Paul is speaking to born again Christians and proves that a foundation was laid that included repentance. After that time the Christian is to go on unto perfection.
 
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Good. It's not my job to convince you. Some plant seeds, some water seeds already planted, but God gives the increase. God's increase is what we all want to attain.
All is shared in love.
the only seeds your planting are seeds of discourse.............and, one day, you will reap what you have sown, best think about that when you are placing h2o over the precious Blood of Christ.........

Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”

Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”

1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”

Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will pass over
you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”

Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”

Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …

Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”

Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”

Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

You will answer fro every soul you lead astray............
 
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the only seeds your planting are seeds of discourse.............and, one day, you will reap what you have sown, best think about that when you are placing h2o over the precious Blood of Christ.........

Leviticus 17:11, 14 (cp. Deuteronomy 12:23) “For the life of the flesh
is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an
atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement
for the soul…. For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life
thereof …”

Hebrews 9:22 “Without the shedding of blood, there is
no remission of sins.”

1 John 1:7″… the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth
us from all sin.”

Exodus 12:13 “… and when I see the blood, I will pass over
you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.”

Revelation 12:11 “And they overcame him (Satan) by the blood
of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony …”

Hebrews 9:14 “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God,
purge your conscience …

Hebrews 10:19, 22 “Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter
into the holiest by the blood of Jesus … Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an
evil conscience …”

Hebrews 13:12 “Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify
the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.”

Romans 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”

Romans 5:9 “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

You will answer fro every soul you lead astray............
I agree with every scripture quoted.
Without the shed blood of Jesus Christ anything we do would be meaningless.
We are told to follow Peter's instructions in Acts.
Whether you wish to follow those instructions or not doesn't change the fact that Peter's discourse resides within God's Word.
It would not be wise to discard any of the teachings recorded in the Word.
God's Words join together to paint a picture. Take out portions of His Word and you have an incomplete picture.
 

garee

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Please provide 2-3 other scriptures from the word to confirm your understanding. Thanks!
A couple of ways to prove scripture in respect to the key as to what it is . Some say Peter? The little word it carries all the weight.

17 And Jesus answering said to him, `Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to thee, but my Father who is in the heavens.And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it; and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'Mathew 16 :17 -19

The use of the word it bolded in both cases represents "whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.

It is important to look at the different rendering of that portion above.It would seem Catholisicim has influenced the direction of inspiration as to where it comes from and who it is directed at. It would easy to misunderstand . It is why Catholics for instance believe they can make up their own idea of a saint factory . The Pope the infallible interpreter claiming whatsoever he shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven. The same kind of turning upside down of the unbelieving Jew.

The corrupted manner below

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Mathew 16:19 KJ

It is that which he loosens from heaven our daily bread of His will, the gospel of our salvation. It alone is the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against. Not flesh and blood Peter who immediately after blasphemes the name of God, forbidding Christ from doing the gospel work . It would be another kind of key. One that has no value in liberating a person.

The same promise spoken to Peter in Mathew 16 is in Chapter 18 it is to every believer . The word it again the key the gates of hell could never prevail against represents the unseen faith of God thats works in us to both will and do His good pleasure (imputed righteousness) throughout that portion of scripture .It which represents faith never points to Peter the blasphemer or any believer.

No flesh can stand in the holy unseen place of God as the author of Faith . It is reserved for his unseen glory .It will be revealed in the new order.

`Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.`Again, I say to you, that, if two of you may agree on the earth concerning anything, whatever they may ask -- it shall be done to them from my Father who is in the heavens,Mathew 18:18-19
 
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A couple of ways to prove scripture in respect to the key as to what it is . Some say Peter? The little word it carries all the weight.

17 And Jesus answering said to him, `Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to thee, but my Father who is in the heavens.
I respectfully disagree with your understanding of the word "it" in the scripture quoted above. Jesus had just asked who the disciples say that He, Jesus, is:

"He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Matt 16:15-17

Jesus was expressing that Peter was blessed to have been given revelation that Jesus was indeed the Messiah.
 
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A couple of ways to prove scripture in respect to the key as to what it is . Some say Peter? The little word it carries all the weight.

17 And Jesus answering said to him, `Happy art thou, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to thee, but my Father who is in the heavens.And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it; and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'Mathew 16 :17 -19

The use of the word it bolded in both cases represents "whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.
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The first thing Jesus says to Peter is he is blessed to have received the revelation from God about Jesus being the messiah. He then says the church is going to be built upon that fact. Jesus is the rock; the corner stone.
Afterward Jesus gives Peter the keys to the kingdom.
 

Hevosmies

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Father, Son and Holy Ghost are titles not names. Also, Jesus begins His statement with ALL POWER IS GIVEN UNTO ME.
Just a few scriptures indicating that there is power in the name of Jesus...Acts 3:6, Acts 4:8, 10; Acts 4:18; Acts 16:18; James 5:14-15.

Even the Apostle Paul was water baptized in Jesus' name and indicates that Jesus' singular name was used in water baptism:

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

"Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:12-13
KJV
But again the questino was asked frmo you:

WHAT IF one is baptized in the name of the Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost, are they LOST? or is it VALID baptism in your opinion? Yes or No? Let us know please.
 

garee

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I respectfully disagree with your understanding of the word "it" in the scripture quoted above. Jesus had just asked who the disciples say that He, Jesus, is:

"He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Matt 16:15-17

Jesus was expressing that Peter was blessed to have been given revelation that Jesus was indeed the Messiah.
Jesus was expressing that Peter was blessed to have been given revelation from God (not from Peter )that Jesus was indeed the Messiah And peter was not the one bringing the blessing as the blesser . Some perform that same kind of error with our dear sister in the Lord Marry .Taking away the power to bless for God not seen . Mankind seeking a blessing from her.

Peter received a blessing in the same way all believers are blessed of God not seen, the eternal and not blessed by man (flesh and blood ) seen the temporal .

Christians walk or receive the interpretation of God by the unseen (faith) it has nothing to with anyone's flesh and blood to include the Son of man who declared His literal flesh and blood profits for nothing. The work of salvation is spiritual unseen.


2 Corinthians 4:7And we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us;...…….. (not of Peter or Mary)

we not looking to the things seen, but to the things not seen; for the things "seen" [are] temporary, but the things not seen [are] age-during.2 Corinthians 4:18

The "it" represents the faith of Christ that worked in Peter not from or of Peter. Christ's faith as a labor of His love is not dead and needs Peter the blasphemer to breath into "it" life .

The same "it" as in as "it" is written (sola scriptura)

Three times in Mathew 4 "It" is shown as the unseen work of God .After the third again as "it" is written as that which represents the faith or power of Christ is written the devil fled


All Christians have the authority or power of "it" having been loosed in the heavens bound on Peter's heart like all of his children .Not from Peter who is flesh and blood. It was not flesh and blood that revealed "it" (the answer Christ) unto Peter. So why would it be of Peter?
 
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But again the questino was asked frmo you:

WHAT IF one is baptized in the name of the Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost, are they LOST? or is it VALID baptism in your opinion? Yes or No? Let us know please.
First of all let me say that I developed my opinion of a valid baptism strictly by what is found in the Word of God. Because there is power in the name of Jesus and there is not one record of a water baptism being performed using the titles of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, I can only conclude that a valid baptism is one done in the name of Jesus. History itself records that from the Day of Pentecost until 325 a.d. all water baptisms were done in the singular name of Jesus. Since 325 a.d. when "clergy" decided they knew better and demanded even those that were baptized in Jesus name to be rebaptized using their new formula many churches began to follow suit. I personally was baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost prior to seeing bible evidence that contradicted its form. After seeing the discrepancy I was baptized in Jesus name because I had a desire to fulfill what was clearly in the Word.
All are told to earnestly seek out what the apostles taught of the common salvation. And, to be weary of the traditions of men. The new form of baptizing began in 325 a.d was the beginning of a man made tradition.
It is not my position to try and cause strife. It is my desire to help and be helped by others to further my walk with the Lord.
May God Bless You.