BLESSED ARE THE PERSECUTED

[zone]

This is so 'you,' ohzone, sigh, so you, so sad, but, uh, yeah, so you, I see things from the Lord's way in my life, "in the Spirit," as He leads me, as He led John (to have a revelation), and, as still goes on today in us, by us, and, through us, but YOU have to see it. You know, ohzone, you can't see God working unless you have faith, this is true, as, you can be given so much by God but if you don't HAVE THE FAITH to see it as God at work in your life--doing His plans for you--then you will just not see God at work in your life


This is a profound thing to say to you, ohzone, but not accusatory in the least, as, YOU did just accuse the Pentecostal (wrongly) of being. So sad.

And, stephenspeaks, was just saying what was on his mind from Him, 'little girl.' You act like one, you will be treated like one Sad, but true. IF you want to ATTACK someone's way of believing in the SAME CHRIST who died on the cross as you, the same "Jesus," who is the same today as yesterday as forevermore, the "visible image of the invisible God," so be it. You will be making yourself into a innocent 'little girl.'

If it walks like a duck, paddles like a duck...... it's a

i'll overlook this coming from you (unless you persist in it), since you don't appear to know what you believe from one day to another.

Pentecostalism is TOTAL error.

the entire foundation is sand.

sorry if you don't like that.

 

[Stephen63]

stephen. i read your apology thread.
go back and read it again.
maybe you'll see something there i saw when i read it.

then you posted THIS thread, with the little resentment you are nurturing embedded in it.
do you think i am stupid?

.........

there is conflict over DOCTRINE.
serious errors.

i'm sorry if you're offended by that.
you take it personally...sorry about that.
i can't help that.
i wish you didn't.

there is no unity in ERROR.

It's obvious I can't change your mind. You won't ever change the way you feel about me. Like I said, I'm blessed because of you. You just go right ahead & keep on making me blessed......

 

[zone]

It's obvious I can't change your mind. You won't ever change the way you feel about me. Like I said, I'm blessed because of you. You just go right ahead & keep on making me blessed......

change my mind?
about what?

i don't know why you're blessed by me ("persecuting you")
go back and read your apology thread.
see what you may have missed at the time.

sound doctrine is a better blessing.
can't deal?

 

[GreenNnice]

Due to an email from a true friend, I realize I was wrong about calling zone a little girl. I apologize. Forgive me, zone.

I'm not perfect yet

A "little girl" is someone who speaks out there mouth without really realizing how hurtful something is being said, I mean, really hurtful and really NOT KNOWING. I see, ohzone, do this, and, I love ohzone, I have NOTHING against her, just her continuous, blatant, yet 'innocent' attacks on people not of her subscribed-to way of believing in Christ and her foundation. that is the SAME foundation and StephenChrist's foundation and my foundation and EVERYONE else who is a Christian's foundation 1 Cor. 3 speaks CLEARLY of this truth

THAT is what I am referring to, the Lord leads, and, ohzone's words speak for herself, and, what we say DOES get graded by God, I hope and pray what I say is 'A' understood by Him, as in 'excellent said, green, tough to have to say, I know, labeling someone a 'little girl,' but, that's what it is and it is what it is and IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it.'

i'll overlook this coming from you (unless you persist in it), since you don't appear to know what you believe from one day to another.

Pentecostalism is TOTAL error.

the entire foundation is sand.

sorry if you don't like that.

Overlook whatever you want, but, above all else, you REALLY need to work on 'Love,' ohzone, you REALLY do, you're NOT KNOWING you do, but, you do, you do, you do God bless and be with you, milady, the Lord leads. "...you follow Me." John 21:22

The Lord, indeed, leads. "...you follow Me."

And, ohzone, milady, you KNOW, I Love ya, I just ,often, have to reel in what you say to others, because it is so 'little girl' inflammatory

 

[Stephen63]

change my mind?
about what?

i don't know why you're blessed by me ("persecuting you")
go back and read your apology thread.
see what you may have missed at the time.

sound doctrine is a better blessing.
can't deal?

Matthew 7:16-20 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Let it be known I didn't state my opinion

 

[zone]

A "little girl" is someone who speaks out there mouth without really realizing how hurtful something is being said, I mean, really hurtful and really NOT KNOWING. I see, ohzone, do this, and, I love ohzone, I have NOTHING against her, just her continuous, blatant, yet 'innocent' attacks on people not of her subscribed-to way of believing in Christ and her foundation. that is the SAME foundation and StephenChrist's foundation and my foundation and EVERYONE else who is a Christian's foundation 1 Cor. 3 speaks CLEARLY of this truth

THAT is what I am referring to, the Lord leads, and, ohzone's words speak for herself, and, what we say DOES get graded by God, I hope and pray what I say is 'A' understood by Him, as in 'excellent said, green, tough to have to say, I know, labeling someone a 'little girl,' but, that's what it is and it is what it is and IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it.'



Overlook whatever you want, but, above all else, you REALLY need to work on 'Love,' ohzone, you REALLY do, you're NOT KNOWING you do, but, you do, you do, you do God bless and be with you, milady, the Lord leads. "...you follow Me." John 21:22

The Lord, indeed, leads. "...you follow Me."

And, ohzone, milady, you KNOW, I Love ya, I just ,often, have to reel in what you say to others, because it is so 'little girl' inflammatory

you write and speak like a 5 year old with silly remarks and made-up words and i'm the immature one?

k.

"IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it"

another hero.

support the doctrines under consideration or just keep posting babble.

 

[zone]

Matthew 7:16-20 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Let it be known I didn't state my opinion

Pentecostalism is not a good tree.
it can not bear good fruit.

but you don't want to discuss that - you want to make it about me.
that's fine...but it's already clear.

incidentally - Matthew 7:16-20 was spoken about the scribes; Pharisees and jews who would not repent of dead works of the Law and come into Christ's rest.

stephen....i have nothing more to say to on a personal level, really.

go re-read you apology thread.
when your conscience is clear and your motives are right we can talk again.

bye now.

 

[Stephen63]

you write and speak like a 5 year old with silly remarks and made-up words and i'm the immature one?

k.

"IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it"

another hero.

support the doctrines under consideration or just keep posting babble.

Pentecostalism is not a good tree.
it can not bear good fruit.

but you don't want to discuss that - you want to make it about me.
that's fine...but it's already clear.

incidentally - Matthew 7:16-20 was spoken about the scribes; Pharisees and jews who would not repent of dead works of the Law and come into Christ's rest.

stephen....i have nothing more to say to on a personal level, really.

go re-read you apology thread.
when your conscience is clear and your motives are right we can talk again.

bye now.

UMM Stephen,

Just a friendly suggestion,you might want to try not using insults. It never makes one look all that great either.

Sarah777, you might want to talk to your friend zone about that too.

 

[Stephen63]

Perhaps somebody else could give us some sound advice, or relate to their own experiences?

 

[GreenNnice]

you write and speak like a 5 year old with silly remarks and made-up words and i'm the immature one?

k.

"IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it"

another hero.

support the doctrines under consideration or just keep posting babble.

GreenNnice:

A "little girl" is someone who speaks out there mouth without really realizing how hurtful something is being said, I mean, really hurtful and really NOT KNOWING. I see, ohzone, do this, and, I love ohzone, I have NOTHING against her, just her continuous, blatant, yet 'innocent' attacks on people not of her subscribed-to way of believing in Christ and her foundation. that is the SAME foundation and StephenChrist's foundation and my foundation and EVERYONE else who is a Christian's foundation 1 Cor. 3 speaks CLEARLY of this truth

THAT is what I am referring to, the Lord leads, and, ohzone's words speak for herself, and, what we say DOES get graded by God, I hope and pray what I say is 'A' understood by Him, as in 'excellent said, green, tough to have to say, I know, labeling someone a 'little girl,' but, that's what it is and it is what it is and IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it.'



Overlook whatever you want, but, above all else, you REALLY need to work on 'Love,' ohzone, you REALLY do, you're NOT KNOWING you do, but, you do, you do, you do God bless and be with you, milady, the Lord leads. "...you follow Me." John 21:22

The Lord, indeed, leads. "...you follow Me."

And, ohzone, milady, you KNOW, I Love ya, I just ,often, have to reel in what you say to others, because it is so 'little girl' inflammatory

This was said in 'Love,' ohzone, sometimes, 'Love' is tough to hear. But, the Lord works us through His fire in His way through 'Love,' sometimes, said from other brothers and sisters

My 'babble' is to be filtered through His Loving ways said to you, ohzone, you must paddle to the other side with an understanding that people believe in salvational 'work' differently than YOU but the same Christ brings all to salvation, just as He did YOU, as He did so bring with His eternal power and divine nature at work, as we became, through faith, 'in the Spirit,' like John, like Paul...... Jesus is the same today, yesterday, forevermore, and, He has NOT stopped working through me 'in the Spirit,' as I follow Him. The Lord leads. I HAVE TO follow

You can speak for yourself however you want, ohzone, I don't care, that's between you and God, but, don't speak for me, for you will be judging yourself, and, maybe, even, condemning yourself, as you and I believe in the same foundation and He is Christ, our chief cornerstone.

So go on ahead, keep on saying His doctrine shown me is wrong, of how the Lord leads me is really not Him leading, and, all others, who are apart from your belief, go ahead ! But, ohzone, you will be judged apart from God for that act, and, all the more so, of you KNOWING what you do, or, like a 'little girl,' as I believe of you being in your 'gnat' nature, oh zone, you really do NOT KNOW what you do.

"Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."
~ Jesus, on the cross

 

[loveme1]

Honestly don't believe i have yet tasted persecution.. In the hands of evil men may i stay Faithful to my first love. May my last breath bring glory to my
Almighty GOD, my Strength, my Rock.

 

[SarahM777]

Sarah777, you might want to talk to your friend zone about that too.

Stephen,

I m going to explain to why I will not do so. What you directed the comment to and what she directed her comments to are different. You directed your comment at her person. When she made the comments she was directing it in the first case at the ACTIONS not the person. In the second she directed it to a doctrine. Again not at a person.

I grew up in a large family so I saw it all before.

I think this fits some times.

[video=youtube;CzB8rVCNrjA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzB8rVCNrjA[/video]

 

[Missachu]

Comments and rejection cut wounds deeper than the flesh ever could. But you are right, if you can't learn to suffer, your rewards for salvation aren't as sweet. Take Satan for example. He was way too spoiled and this caused Pride, the original sin.

 

[JaumeJ]

The Word pratically guarantees suffering for those who are in Yeshua, though some may escape, yet I believe even those who escape obvious suffering suffer equally in a more personal manner. It is to the glory of God to suffer with Yeshua, so we count it a great blessing. We do not always understand exactly why, but on faith we know it is for the good of all in Yeshua. Praise Yahweh, amen.

1Pe 4:19

Wherefore let them also that suffer according to the will of God commit their souls in well-doing unto a faithful Creator.

 

[loveme1]

The Word pratically guarantees suffering for those who are in Yeshua, though some may escape, yet I believe even those who escape obvious suffering suffer equally in a more personal manner. It is to the glory of God to suffer with Yeshua, so we count it a great blessing. We do not always understand exactly why, but on faith we know it is for the good of all in Yeshua. Praise Yahweh, amen.

1Pe 4:19

Wherefore let them also that suffer according to the will of God commit their souls in well-doing unto a faithful Creator.

here, here.

all those in favor say "aye"

 

[Stephen63]

Stephen,

I m going to explain to why I will not do so. What you directed the comment to and what she directed her comments to are different. You directed your comment at her person. When she made the comments she was directing it in the first case at the ACTIONS not the person. In the second she directed it to a doctrine. Again not at a person.

I can't believe you would outright LIE for her.

Note what is written in red:

i'm sorry that you are unhappy about the reality of false doctrines and unbiblical practices of the Pentecostal Movement being challenged and discussed.

it's sad that you believe you are being persecuted for true doctrine and biblical practices.

and it's odd that you go on as you do.

but oh well.

Pentecostal Theology is just wrong.

you're not a martyr; nor a hero protecting the sheep from satan.

you're deflecting the reality that you teach false doctrine and practice unbiblical things.

grow up and speak your mind.

you're slick.

but it's still sad.

Then, she insults GreenNnice:

i'll overlook this coming from you (unless you persist in it), since you don't appear to know what you believe from one day to another.

Pentecostalism is TOTAL error.

the entire foundation is sand.

sorry if you don't like that.

you write and speak like a 5 year old with silly remarks and made-up words and i'm the immature one?

k.

"IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it"

another hero.

support the doctrines under consideration or just keep posting babble.

Sad you have to stoop so low to do something like that. Covering up sarcasm & insults.

 

[zone]

you have no idea what persecution is. that's evident in the whining here as you equate internet debates; arguments and petty insults with persecution - with you being the great suffering saint, being helped by the servant of satan, zone.

Pentecostalism is error, in places heresy - and if there's any lying going on...it's coming from people in that movement pretending they're getting direct messages from God.

and look at you starting threads do stir up divisions and factions - because you can't answer for the DOCTRINE and practices that are DAMAGING untold numbers around the world coming out of Pentecostalism.

you started this thread with your hatred for me in mind, which i already proved.
your apology thread wasn't really an aoplogy - it was en explanation for why ZONE managed to pull you into horrible sin - because you were taking a bullet for the team.

such drama.
do you lay awake and night and burn with resentment?
eh.....enjoy it.

persecution.....poor you.
get on with it!

 

[BeanieD]

So very true, and what is so hard to understand is that some who persecute,"claim" to be christian. I think they are probably one of the most dangerous. God bless the true followers of our Lord.

 

[SarahM777]

I can't believe you would outright LIE for her.

Note what is written in red:





Then, she insults GreenNnice:





Sad you have to stoop so low to do something like that. Covering up sarcasm & insults.

I can't believe that you would try to play head games. Remember these are the two you asked about.

Originally Posted by zone

you write and speak like a 5 year old with silly remarks and made-up words and i'm the immature one?

k.

"IF that person can GROW from My using you to discipline in this way, so that more persecution does not result, so be it"

another hero.

support the doctrines under consideration or just keep posting babble.

Originally Posted by zone

Pentecostalism is not a good tree.
it can not bear good fruit.

but you don't want to discuss that - you want to make it about me.
that's fine...but it's already clear.

incidentally - Matthew 7:16-20 was spoken about the scribes; Pharisees and jews who would not repent of dead works of the Law and come into Christ's rest.

stephen....i have nothing more to say to on a personal level, really.

go re-read you apology thread.
when your conscience is clear and your motives are right we can talk again.

bye now.

Can you understand half of what GreenNnice posts? I can't make heads or tails out of most of them. Half of them do sound like gibberish. Sorry hate to tell you this but I can understand my 5 year nephew who has a speech impairment better then I can Green.

Next time please keep me out of your vendetas. You want to play those types of games be my guest. That's your choice.
You talk about other people trying to trap you yet you pull the very same garbage and then act so hurt that you are so misunderstood. I'll tell you what try going to another site being one of the only Christians there,deal with people within the GLBT community and we'll see how long you last. You want to see people really hate you. Try it I dare you to. The way it comes across it seems like you wouldn't even last a day. I dare you to go street witnessing during Mardis Gras,let's see how long you last.

 

[Stephen63]

you have no idea what persecution is. that's evident in the whining here as you equate internet debates; arguments and petty insults with persecution - with you being the great suffering saint, being helped by the servant of satan, zone.

Pentecostalism is error, in places heresy - and if there's any lying going on...it's coming from people in that movement pretending they're getting direct messages from God.

and look at you starting threads do stir up divisions and factions - because you can't answer for the DOCTRINE and practices that are DAMAGING untold numbers around the world coming out of Pentecostalism.

you started this thread with your hatred for me in mind, which i already proved.
your apology thread wasn't really an aoplogy - it was en explanation for why ZONE managed to pull you into horrible sin - because you were taking a bullet for the team.

such drama.
do you lay awake and night and burn with resentment?
eh.....enjoy it.

persecution.....poor you.
get on with it!

I don't hate you at all. And I'm not going to retaliate against you. If you want to argue, do it without me.

Why are you psychologically projecting all this at me? You're making all the fuss, & turning around & blaming me for it. This is my thread & all you've done is bash me for nothing.