BLESSED ARE THE PERSECUTED

Angela53510 · Jul 15, 2013

Persecution is when you have no choice. It is also normally the persecution of believers by unbelievers. Anyone who does not like this thread or any other on the Internet is free to leave the discussion. That is simply NOT persecution.

Stephen, I am very sorry you continue to be so angry at me. You say you have changed, and God is doing the work. Awesome!! Then why did you start this thread, which is basically a lightly veiled threat at those who do not agree with you doctrinally????

Really, this all comes back to doctrine. Plus, you have no idea what I believe or what I have been through to come to the conclusions I have about the Pentecostal movement. I was Pentecostal for 15 years, and it was a slow process to realize that it was not the right place, or the right theology for my husband and myself.

It does not mean that I hate or distain all Pentecostals. But I do not like being constantly harped at. So I will say it again.

This is an internet forum, and if you don't like it leave.

That makes it NOT persecution. (Or put me and all the people you do not like on ignore - whatever you want to do - You see - you have the control, and a truly persecuted person does not!)

God bless everyone for weighing in on this thread. I continue to wish we were discussing true persecution.

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Graybeard · Jul 15, 2013

Stephen63 said:

I don't think it was about how God feels about His people being mocked, but more on His PROPHETS.....as they were His mouthpiece. How about Barnes's view

Abiding · Jul 15, 2013

Stephen63 said:

What you're talking about has nothing to do with beliefs, with exception to the fact that those who believe that way are scorned, mocked, and ridiculed because they won't back down.

This is a misrepresentation of the facts. We are talking about verbal abuse, not religious beliefs. Such abuse is discriminatory, because it picks certain people out of crowd. It is what it is. Don't try to paint a scenario about religious beliefs, because that's not the whole story.

Perhaps you would like to explain the deep doctrinal statement that's made here. This is her first posting regarding my op statement:

These are her first words, straight out of the gate. Nobody said anything to her. She chose to start this little argument, then you take up for her. How are you going to explain that to all the readers who know what they're reading?

Mocking is persecution, no matter how you slice it. So is slander and accusations. Here's a good example of zone's accusing me of writing this thread because of hatred for her, when her name was never mentioned. She accuses me of stirring up division. She accuses me of using drama. And again, you ignored it.

You have a lot of nerve saying that all she's doing is stating her beliefs! You can sweep it under the rug, but what happens when you trip over the pile?

You are saying in a nutshell that there is no such happenings in this forum. Did you miss this post? Are you going to tell him he's wrong too? Before it's over you will end up having to tell a lot of people that they're wrong. Good luck with that.

It's a sad day indeed when the OP has to explain to an administrator the facts when he's attacked on his own thread about persecution.

Attacked? really? did you say that? Hmmm...what world do you live in?
"when her name was never mentioned" incredible. Your doing more damage
to yourself than anyone here could.

Stephen63 · Jul 15, 2013

Abiding said:

If that's true, everybody can sit back and watch me self-destruct. So what don't they? Why don't they let me reap what I sow?
With all the meanness that some say I have, step back and let God do the work, because that right belongs to him anyways.

Abiding · Jul 15, 2013

Stephen63 said:

Well kinda too late for that now isnt it?

Stephen63 · Jul 15, 2013

If this is not of God, it will come to nothing. That's Bible. But if it is........ what are you going to do? One thing about it....... you can never say I didn't try to tell you. I tried to genuinely reach out to the others that's been verbally abused in this forum...... and got cut off. I'm not mad about that....... God rewards the efforts of the heart. I don't need to get revenge for that. That's not my job. Selah.

Abiding · Jul 15, 2013

Sure dont want you to self destruct and i dont think your mean.
But also dont think its your job to single out personalities you dont like.
Your free to engage them...other than that...personal vendettas backfire.
this forum will bring alot out of some people...we take care of our own self tho.

your actions as of late have made me rethink stuff...i surprisingly
took a turn i didnt expect....i say bring it on...let people express
themselves however they see fit. If i dont care for it...i can go elsewhere.

Stephen63 · Jul 15, 2013

Abiding said:

There is a difference between singling out personalities and being accused of doing it by a person who claims I'm doing it to them. Go back and reread the op.

Stephen63 · Jul 15, 2013

It amazes me that someone comes in my thread, makes the claim that I'm doing something to them, that they're the victim when I said nothing about them, and half the people in here want to poor coals over my head. I was just minding my own business. I didn't ask them to come in. I didn't make them stay for nine pages of their own arguments. They accused me of making it all about me, which isn't true, and then persist to make it all about me. It's not about me. Nine pages and people still can't read between the lines!

Abiding · Jul 15, 2013

Stephen63 said:

It amazes me that someone comes in my thread, makes the claim that I'm doing something to them, that they're the victim when I said nothing about them, and half the people in here want to poor coals over my head. I was just minding my own business. I didn't ask them to come in. I didn't make them stay for nine pages of their own arguments. They accused me of making it all about me, which isn't true, and then persist to make it all about me. It's not about me. Nine pages and people still can't read between the lines!

Come on...it was sideways...anyone and everyone knew who you were talking about.
Quit playing.

Abiding · Jul 16, 2013

Stephen63 · Jul 16, 2013

On a scale from 1 to 10, with 10 being the most damaging, most people might rate what people say and do in this forum a 1. But, when four or five people do it at once, those 1's add up pretty fast.

1still_waters · Jul 16, 2013

Stephen63;1113281[B said:

I've read this thread through a few times, as I try to get my mind around a few things.
Ok, above you indicate a certain level of displeasure that someone thinks this thread is about them.
There is also a level of displeasure that some are saying this is about you.

In one of the posts, before anyone replied to your thread, you said...

You seem to have displeasure when someone asserts that that is about someone specific.

Yet you said this to a specific person...

Link--> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/68438-blessed-persecuted.html#post1107922

Which mirrors closely your opening statement which said this..

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/68438-blessed-persecuted.html#post1105373

So based on this statement.......

Link--> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/68438-blessed-persecuted.html#post1107922

It's hard to believe the below statement isn't geared at someone specific, seeing they so closely mirror each other.

Link--> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/68438-blessed-persecuted.html#post1105373

Abiding · Jul 16, 2013

Stephen63 said:

define damage. i got tarred and feathered in a calvinists thread...i was mocked and offended.
I did some homework and came right back....haha...damage? pffft! you must have a Mr Rogers
neighborhood life....ive seen damage lots of it in my lifetime....the worst in these threads are "huckleberry" land.

do you consider having your feelings hurt "damage" Do you consider having your theology mocked "damage"
if so i think you need to read some books on how to overcome that.....bible calls that "easily provoked"

1still_waters · Jul 16, 2013

So I guess if I could put my previous post in a shorter form.......

Seing that you believe there is a specific person on this forum who is meant to humble you..

Link---> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/68438-blessed-persecuted.html#post1107922

And seeing part of your opening posts you talk about persecutors on this forum used by God to humble people...

Link---> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/68438-blessed-persecuted.html#post1105373

It seems reasonable to think the original set of posts to a certain extent was about a specific person, seeing you believe there is a specific persecutor on these forums who is sent to humble you.

Stephen63 · Jul 16, 2013

1still_waters said:

My displeasure in the beginning was because that person spun this whole thread out of control. There was no need for that. I was wanting people to open up and discuss this. If real discussion had been allowed, maybe we could've gotten somewhere, come up with a consensus. That didn't happen, for obvious reasons.

When I first posted, I said plainly........ THEM. It was never pointed at one person. It's not my fault that person showed up and made it personal. She did that all by herself. That's when this thread skidded off the road. I wasn't the one driving when it happened.

One person told me earlier that if I didn't like it, I could leave the forum. Imagine that, a suggestion to leave my own thread!

I ended up with nine pages of crap. I can't blame anybody for not wanting to come in here and discuss the original subject. Just close the thread. It's just going to be more of it anyway.

1still_waters · Jul 16, 2013

Stephen63 said:

So there is a THEM on these forums you compare to being on the same level as the godless king of babylon?

Link--> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/68438-blessed-persecuted.html#post1105373

How is associating them with the godless king of Babylon not as bad as the persecution you claim to be taking on?

Stephen I still have a ton of respect for you, and view you as a Godly man.
I'm just having a hard time seeing how what's being done by classifying a "THEM" as being like a godless king, how that's any different than the persecution you're talking about.

In effect it creates a schism of the "them" who are like a godless king.

Stephen63 · Jul 16, 2013

1still_waters said:

I addressed her personally because she personally got up in my face, so to speak.
When you look back in all those old posts in 2010, there were people being banned left & right for doing it. Bunches of them. The more they got banned the more others showed up in their place. In earlier years, I didn't see as much. To me it was an obvious pattern. Not like people planning together, but a spiritual plan by the enemy.

GreenNnice · Jul 16, 2013

I'm not going to comment on any one post, but, my oh my, the childishness of behavior screams from so many of these posts. At least, ohzone, who I know I and her have stauch different views on SOME doctrine issues communicate civilly, we are TOUGH on each other, yet, civil. But, yi-yi-yi--and not that I'm perfect, LOL, I'm NOT--but the tone of this thread really has carried into a degrading mess of 'hate' comments at each other and, no, I'm not going to say names.

but, c'mon, the thread is titled ' Blessed are the persecuted,' so, why can't you just agree to disagree that the persecuted are blessed instead of bringing in what you ALL must know by now just breeds hatred amond Christian brothers and sisters that ALL have the same foundation to build on, which is Jesus Christ.

This is what I try repeatedly to tell ohzone, and, HEY, she continues to say my doctrine is false because of my pentecostal beliefs and I continue to let her know that she just needs to have faith that God is in control of me and MY way of believing. I've said things too like 'ohzone, you will never see those things God's at work in you doing IF you do not have faith that He is using spiritual gifts in you that are accomplishing revelation, miracles, etc. yada, yada, stuff, of God's doing, His will for your life, and, that includes faith enough to believe that He CAN want you to take on a spiritual gift that you otherwise do NOT have all the time, per 1 Corinthians 12, so that His good will and pleasure will be done." Hey, we argue this 'til the cows come home and ohzone doesn't understand me half the time, which, LOL, stephenspeaks doesn't either, unclefes, sara, abidingsquirrel, stilledwaters, even my buddy, cee(fultz) whose not on here much lately, for whatever reason, the Lord leads my brother, I hope and pray wherever he may be.

But, yeah, yeah, YEAH!

Can't we just all say 'no' to thinking the spirit of God is wanting us to continue to lambast each other over silly things of each other, again and again and again, and, yeah, I know, there's just sometimes no way around our doubts and tempers flare, and things erupt. But, my, my, MY,

can't we find ourselves in Christ, can't we have THAT much faith even if some of us believe our faith is STRICTLY from the Word and NOT from what God's work is inside us spiritually gifting us. Can't we??? That 's is a common ground.
Can't we, can't we, c'mon, yes, we can, riff-raff is something Satan uses to His own devices, don't let Him , have faith in Christ that you can speak in Love to one another, k

Note to ohzone: I am not trying to put words in your mouth, milady, when I do a quote, I am just writing what perspective I get from you, no biggee, no rift here, no raff either

Angela53510 · Jul 16, 2013

Stephen63 said:

This sounds like classic paranoia. Very sorry you feel this way.

I did think it was Zone you were mad at, but since I said,

I guess it is all about me! But that is to misinterpret what I said.

"Partez si vous n'aimez pas cette forum."

I guess I better explain. I was using "you" in the plural form, and I regret it was interpreted as being directed towards a single individual. English has lost a lot of quality, there is no doubt about it. I guess the KJV only people always have that over the more modern versions. No thou and ye. I guess I could continue in Greek or maybe German or French and use the singular and the plural "you" so then some people wouldn't get even more paranoid.

As for not liking the way this thread has gone, it really doesn't matter who started it - it is NO ONE's thread. When you take possession of a thread on the open internet, and act paranoid about people, it does really suggest things are not right.

If this thread is not about doctrine, which is what I believe started it, it certainly has become about personalities. No one is running me off, and my experience is indicating that someone is hurt.

Well, Stephen, I apologize for trying to run you off, although it was not meant that way. I apologize for not understanding how anyone could be persecuted on the internet.

But I will not apologize for interpreting the Bible the way God has shown me, and for believing doctrine that is true and sure. Please feel free to post anything you want. It will not convince me you are right.

I have left many forums in the past because I did not agree with the dominate teachings. I was not hurt, I was not persecuted, and I just listened to God telling me to "wipe the dust off my feet" and go!

I think you have been a valued member of this forum, but you have dug a pretty deep ditch for yourself to fall into this time. I just hope we can all help pull you up! As believers in Christ, it is something we should be doing, if you are willing to accept an apology and realize that we are not against you as a person, but we are defending the way we believe the Bible should be interpreted. And if that is sometimes done with humor, laughter or sarcasm, then you have to realize that it is not as personal as you would like it to be!

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