BLESSED ARE THE PERSECUTED

[JaumeJ]

Joh 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Tribulation? Words from the Master many times over in His teachings, and denied by the hypocrites, for them to be believers all is wonderful while suffering abounds all about them in the world. What hypocrisy!


Mat 18:7
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

Mat 18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

This would apply to the tongue also.

My displeasure in the beginning was because that person spun this whole thread out of control. There was no need for that. I was wanting people to open up and discuss this. If real discussion had been allowed, maybe we could've gotten somewhere, come up with a consensus. That didn't happen, for obvious reasons.

When I first posted, I said plainly........ THEM. It was never pointed at one person. It's not my fault that person showed up and made it personal. She did that all by herself. That's when this thread skidded off the road. I wasn't the one driving when it happened.

One person told me earlier that if I didn't like it, I could leave the forum. Imagine that, a suggestion to leave my own thread!

I ended up with nine pages of crap. I can't blame anybody for not wanting to come in here and discuss the original subject. Just close the thread. It's just going to be more of it anyway.

 

[Cobus]

Stephen I agree, BLESSES ARE THE PERSEUTED FOR DOING GOOD! What is the use you are being persecuted for BAD things you did. Jesus said if you are persecuted FOR HIS NAME SAKE, that means you have to be HOLY and persecuted.

If we suffer persecution for the TRUTH/ GOD's Word and Son, THEN we are considered BLESSED. That is why if they do want to blame us, they will have to bring in FALSE WITNESS. Like they did with ALL whon werepersecuted for the RIGHTEOUSNESS they practice.

PEople say so many times Paul was a sinner, well then he deserved the five times flocking with a whip, and the one time with sticks, and the stoning and left for dead. ut God says Paul suffered FOR HIS NAME SAKE. And that was the persecution of the Apostle of God. Paul did not deserve the sufferings, Jesus said PAul was chsen to suffer FOR HIM (Jesus). Not for transgressions or sin, for Jesus.


If we suffer lung cancer becasue we smoled it is not suffering for righgteousness, but for inhaling TAR. But If we are gassed for spreading the Truth and the Word of God, then we suffer death for HIS NAME SAKE.... What an honor!
We have to be without sin and being persecuted to be declared BLESSED by God.

 

[GreenNnice]

This sounds like classic paranoia. Very sorry you feel this way.

I did think it was Zone you were mad at, but since I said,



I guess it is all about me! But that is to misinterpret what I said.

"Partez si vous n'aimez pas cette forum."

I guess I better explain. I was using "you" in the plural form, and I regret it was interpreted as being directed towards a single individual. English has lost a lot of quality, there is no doubt about it. I guess the KJV only people always have that over the more modern versions. No thou and ye. I guess I could continue in Greek or maybe German or French and use the singular and the plural "you" so then some people wouldn't get even more paranoid.

As for not liking the way this thread has gone, it really doesn't matter who started it - it is NO ONE's thread. When you take possession of a thread on the open internet, and act paranoid about people, it does really suggest things are not right.

If this thread is not about doctrine, which is what I believe started it, it certainly has become about personalities. No one is running me off, and my experience is indicating that someone is hurt.

Well, Stephen, I apologize for trying to run you off, although it was not meant that way. I apologize for not understanding how anyone could be persecuted on the internet.

But I will not apologize for interpreting the Bible the way God has shown me, and for believing doctrine that is true and sure. Please feel free to post anything you want. It will not convince me you are right.

I have left many forums in the past because I did not agree with the dominate teachings. I was not hurt, I was not persecuted, and I just listened to God telling me to "wipe the dust off my feet" and go!

I think you have been a valued member of this forum, but you have dug a pretty deep ditch for yourself to fall into this time. I just hope we can all help pull you up! As believers in Christ, it is something we should be doing, if you are willing to accept an apology and realize that we are not against you as a person, but we are defending the way we believe the Bible should be interpreted. And if that is sometimes done with humor, laughter or sarcasm, then you have to realize that it is not as personal as you would like it to be!

Simply put, anj, the thread degraded into yet another doctrine bashing thread when stephenspeaks is simply asking in the opening post that those who are persecuted will be 'reviled,' etc.

This is not to point fingers at ohzone in particular as we ALL are sometimes perfect at doing this guilty act of de-railing, so, why not just build each other up in support of our foundation in Christ which is what you did do, anj in the bottom of this post, God bless you for that, it's in a said, matter-of-fact way but, nonetheless, yes, we should all pull each other up, and, I don't see where Stephenspeaks, put himself in pit, but if you do, so be it, I simply think that the Lord leads and we should all build on the foundation who is Christ, below us, carrying us, holding us, supporting us, whom we walk with and on whom WE STAND and why pretend any different unless we do not believe in the bible as our 'mark' of witness and shield of our faith ! He is The Rock of ALL our salvations

 

[GreenNnice]

Without FAITH , it is impossible to please God .

What is YOUR faith doing on this thread? Is is following what Jesus would do, how about the bible? Are you saying your words in Love? If you are, then, you are going to show MERCY ad COMPASSION on those that are NOT believing the same way as you, you are NOT going to lambast them for believing doctrine a little different than you. Au contraire, you are going to show them that you don't agree, or, 'respectfulyl disagree,' and leave it at that with your view, not a childish picture or a comment that insults another brother or sister in Christ. Hardly the definition then ,is it, of 'compassion and 'mercy,' which Jesus says in SCRIPTURE we must have IF we are to have faith and PLEASE GOD !!

 

[loveme1]

i stated it is like a playground here sometimes.

i shared my personal observation of some of the behaviour i'm witnessing within the forum.

i'm not convinced all is done in love.

i would say some are not quick to forgive each other.

we are not competing against one and other.. myself included we should pause before we post and consider if it will be pleasing to Heavenly Father and Yahshua the Messiah.

if you are mocked and ridiculed know that it is how you respond that counts.

 

[JaumeJ]

About forgiving. Anyone who has offended must desire forgiveness, otherwise they will not receive it. It is so with the offenses of men just as it is with the great offense, that being the sin of all mankind requiring the Blood of Yeshua for expiation. If any sinner does not receive Him in spirit and truth, he is not saved rather he is giving lip service in saying he believes.

Believing Yeshua is not a group of friends who agree with each other on whatever they say; believing Him is sharing understanding from Him directly, for He and only He is the Master. That is to say the Teacher, while others, teachers, are His servants who teach by means of the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit present not only is there no teaching, there is nothing learned.

 

[pickles]

Something that i have not really seen spoken to.
Blessed are the persicuted!
Blessed!
Please consider these words. for the one who is persicuted is trully blessed!
One needs to see that the persicution, is not what is effected on the one who loves and lives in Jesus.
The persicuted is blessed!
As I spoke to before, there is no offence, as one is in Jesus's spirit, not flesh, so the offence is not known, only forgiven.
please take time to consider this scripture, one is blessed!
Like Paul also spoke to, if I boast ,it is in my weakness that I will boast, for it is in my weakness that God's power is made perfect, glorified!
Please see and know in Jesus, that this scripture is not about one being brought to suffering, even though they do suffer the flesh, but about being blessed in spirit, God bringing His blessings, all being His glory!

Please look beyond the persicution, and see God's blessing given!


God bless
pickles

 

[SarahM777]

If that's true, everybody can sit back and watch me self-destruct. So what don't they? Why don't they let me reap what I sow?
With all the meanness that some say I have, step back and let God do the work, because that right belongs to him anyways.

I don't want to see you self destruct. I want to see correct your ways. There is also the part where God does tell us to REBUKE,CORRECT AND EXHORT our brothers and sisters. I don't want to see you be condemned by your own words. But your doing a good job of hanging yourself. The big problem is either you can't see,refuse to see it,or your trying to pass the buck. (Like that is a big surprise,you're in good company,Adam and Eve did the same thing but they refused to admit there own sin in the matter. The only one out the three that was innocent in that was the serpent. The only one that didn't try to pass the buck. Not that the serpent was innocent of other things.)

You keep leaving out what in this in that if one is truly being persecuted it must be in innocence. Not doing the same thing someone else is doing.

Doesn't the Bible say this

Proverbs 12

1 Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but whoever hates correction is stupid.

16 Fools show their annoyance at once,
but the prudent overlook an insult.

Proverbs 13

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18 Whoever disregards discipline comes to poverty and shame,
but whoever heeds correction is honored.

Proverbs 14
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9 Fools mock at making amends for sin,
but goodwill is found among the upright.

Proverbs 15

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5 A fool spurns a parent’s discipline,
but whoever heeds correction shows prudence.

10 Stern discipline awaits anyone who leaves the path;
the one who hates correction will die.

12 Mockers resent correction,
so they avoid the wise.

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Whoever heeds life-giving correction
will be at home among the wise.
32 Those who disregard discipline despise themselves,
but the one who heeds correction gains understanding.

Proverbs 16

20 Whoever gives heed to instruction prospers,[a]
and blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord.

Proverbs 17

10 A rebuke impresses a discerning person
more than a hundred lashes a fool.
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[loveme1]

About forgiving. Anyone who has offended must desire forgiveness, otherwise they will not receive it. It is so with the offenses of men just as it is with the great offense, that being the sin of all mankind requiring the Blood of Yeshua for expiation. If any sinner does not receive Him in spirit and truth, he is not saved rather he is giving lip service in saying he believes.

Believing Yeshua is not a group of friends who agree with each other on whatever they say; believing Him is sharing understanding from Him directly, for He and only He is the Master. That is to say the Teacher, while others, teachers, are His servants who teach by means of the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit present not only is there no teaching, there is nothing learned.

This came to mind:

Matthew 18

Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. 18Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

 

[SarahM777]

Stephen,

Need I also remind of what the Bible defines a mocker as

Proverbs 21

The proud and arrogant person—“Mocker” is his name—
behaves with insolent fury.

When you boasted about God blessing you because you were "innocent" of doing the same things that wasn't pride? It's not arrogant to boast of your innocence when in reality you were not? If so the Bible calls you Stephen a MOCKER also.

 

[JaumeJ]

Some of you ask others to "list" their persecustions, while others of you call them boasters should they confess their tribulations.

This falls under the heading of damned if you do, damned if you do not.

Just as the children:

Mat 11:17
And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

Stephen,

Need I also remind of what the Bible defines a mocker as

Proverbs 21

The proud and arrogant person—“Mocker” is his name—
behaves with insolent fury.

When you boasted about God blessing you because you were "innocent" of doing the same things that wasn't pride? It's not arrogant to boast of your innocence when in reality you were not? If so the Bible calls you Stephen a MOCKER also.

 

[Cobus]

Pickels my dear friend, Jesus said part of the package of being a righteous believer is.... To be persecuted and even SLAIN or KILLED or MURDERED.... It is all fleshly (earthly) people that persecute JESUS in the flesh of the righteous.

We have to remember we do not fight against flesh and blood, but they do! They did not hang the Spirit or Soul of Jesus on the cross, they hung him, FLESH and BLOOD (soul) and Spirit on the cross. They killed the flesh, but they could not touch the soul or the Spirit of Jesus. Jesus shed HIS SOUL (blood) for us and HE KEPT HIS SPIRIT IN GOD'S HANDS....

The evil ALWAYS seeked blood and death to the righteous, Jesus gave the gaurentee.... Matthew 5: 10... Blessed are they which is persecuted for righteousness, sake.... and Luke 12:12 ... they will lay their hands on us, like with Jesus and Paul... Fist right in the mouth... And John 15:20... We are not bigger than Him, as they persucuted Him so will they persecute us.... WHAT AN HONOR! And it is only because WE KEEP HIS WORD... just for that they might even KILL US....

And the SOLID gaurentee.... If a person lives godly in Christ has no option to this fact..... 2 Tim 3:12... Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Look at the SHALL SUFFER PERSECUTION... Oh I have been threatened with death, twice. I have been chased off many times. I have been "Blacklisted" even by Jehovah Witnesses... I have been called "Sex pervert". I have been labled "lier, evil possesed, satan, a devil", and many other things. I have tasted false love and true hatred, by "christians" and muslim and buddah and and.... But from God.... ONLY LOVE! And even a pat on the back!

Just this mornng I received this Word from God....
Imagine how evil this world would have been, if Adam and Eve ate from the tree of life AND the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.... Then all sinners would be here and this world would still have all the evil men alive and ever-living....WOW!

I am glad God protected that tree.... The other bad thing would be, no sinner would change.... The whole world would be evil and STAY EVIL. Jesus would not have been sent! He came to bring the tree of life to whom HE WANTS TO GIVE IT TOO.... He CANNOT give it to a sinner, then sinners cannot go into second death.

I am so glad Jesus is in charge of the gift of life, HE KNOWS A PERSON INSIDE OUT! Just hope I receive that gift....

God bless us with your blessing to KEEP THY WORD... Amen!

 

[zone]

If this is not of God, it will come to nothing. That's Bible. But if it is........ what are you going to do? One thing about it....... you can never say I didn't try to tell you. I tried to genuinely reach out to the others that's been verbally abused in this forum...... and got cut off. I'm not mad about that....... God rewards the efforts of the heart. I don't need to get revenge for that. That's not my job. Selah.

you've genuinely attempted to deflect from the issue of Pentecostal error and heresy being brought to the light.

you're resentful and vindictive.

and disingenuous, as you don't speak plainly and without malice or deceit....

your people have come forward and griped about being attacked....repeatedly.

PM gang wars and factions and CLICK LIKE record-keeping...naming names (though you not having the courage of your convictions and so not naming names - using a round about way instead - cheap shots)....claiming salvation for some and no Spirit for others.....ad nauseum.

not ENOUGH support for you i guess...were you hoping for a BAN rally....prolly.
make the objections to Pentecostalism go away at any cost because i cant bear to examine myself to see if i am indeed in the faith.
after all - I AM A PASTOR.

If this is not of God, it will come to nothing. That's Bible. But if it is........ what are you going to do?

Penetecostalism is not of God.
it's for the sifting of those who know His Voice as opposed to mockers and the lovers of the praises of men.

eventually it will come to nothing - after it serves it's purposes.

if you mean if YOUR thread is not of God it will come to nothing - it was nothing coming out of the gate.
you tried every shameful tactic you could think of, including equating the straight-forward and repeated attempts to HELP people see the errors and heresies and MOCKERY of The Spirit of God and mockery of the Godhead by the Charismatic and Pentecostal movements with persecution of the PIOUS - (meaning YOU).

you tried to rally some kind of bizarre faction to denounce one person in particular who is a thorn in Pentecostalism's (your) side - me.

and to do so, you rebuff people who are loosley associated with me (because they are on a stupid internet friends list or click like now and then - TALK ABOUT CONTROL FREAK.

you manifested paranoia, immaturity, scheming....and at the end of the day: a total inability to address the errors of DOCTRINE AND PRACTICES being exposed as fraudulent.

One thing about it....... you can never say I didn't try to tell you.

LOL.....STEPHEN - you will not be able to say you were not told about your unorthodox and unbiblical beliefs and practices.

act 5 and pretend it`s been about persecuting you because you`re righteous or holding fast to good doctrine....it ain`t.

I tried to genuinely reach out to the others that's been verbally abused in this forum...... and got cut off.

you never reached out to me.
ive been verbally abused on this forum.

you got cut off huh....

start another thread....i suggest being honest this time...something like:

THIS THREAD IS TO GATHER SUPPORT FOR EVERYBODY WHO FEELS ZONE HAS PERSECUTED THEM FOR THEIR FAITHFULNESS AND SOUND DOCTRINE - please sign this petition

something like that.

leave the real martyrs of the faith out of it.
or, alternatively, accept all these huge blessing youre getting for being among them, and count it all joy.

no....this latest effort didnt go your way, so now its off to devise some other way to make the same silly points.
no doubt we`ll see more of this.

seriously...you are a Pastor and you spend all your time on an internet forum feeling picked on and manifesting the fruit of a baby christian.....where`s your flock....dont you have a job to do.

is this the way you lord over them too...no doubt.

mind you....what do the FROZEN CHOSEN know, eh.
they dont got DA SPIRIT

I'm not mad about that....... God rewards the efforts of the heart. I don't need to get revenge for that. That's not my job. Selah.

ya...youre mad.
you want more people to say they hate me for your sake.
some who have this uber-religious contrived manner of speech LIKE your efforts.
didnt you get enough support.

why not you and they put ZONE on ignore. please.

ya, you want revenge....why.
i dunno....maybe because you know half the stuff you do and teach is FAKE.

you got CUT OFF did you.....no, you did it to yourself.

and you better believe God judges the heart.
repent is my advice.

see ya on the flip side.
im sure it wont be long.

STOP WHINING.

 

[SarahM777]

Some of you ask others to "list" their persecustions, while others of you call them boasters should they confess their tribulations.

This falls under the heading of damned if you do, damned if you do not.

Just as the children:

Mat 11:17
And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

What does this have to do with his tribulations? This has to do with the fact that he continues to do the very thing that he is complaining about. This has to do with the fact he has a ten foot telephone pole in his own eye that he refuses to remove. It has to do with the fact that despite the fact it has been pointed out to him he refuses to repent of the very thing that is charging others with. Yet in all of this none of your groupies will say one word to him about it. Yet many of you will gang up up on Zone in the very same manner,yet you never see anything wrong in that. Remember he is the one that started this thread and claimed his innocence in this,boasted about it and yet not of you have said a thing to him. Yet many of you will turn around and do the very same thing,and feign innocence.

 

[JaumeJ]

I reply to the OP. Although I have been known to reply to one posting who has digressed.

What does this have to do with his tribulations? This has to do with the fact that he continues to do the very thing that he is complaining about. This has to do with the fact he has a ten foot telephone pole in his own eye that he refuses to remove. It has to do with the fact that despite the fact it has been pointed out to him he refuses to repent of the very thing that is charging others with. Yet in all of this none of your groupies will say one word to him about it. Yet many of you will gang up up on Zone in the very same manner,yet you never see anything wrong in that. Remember he is the one that started this thread and claimed his innocence in this,boasted about it and yet not of you have said a thing to him. Yet many of you will turn around and do the very same thing,and feign innocence.

 

[SarahM777]

I reply to the OP. Although I have been known to reply to one posting who has digressed.

No you quoted me,not the OP. Nor did you address to the OP.

 

[SarahM777]

What gets forgotten is when we are being persecuted we are to BE INNOCENT OF WRONG DOING. You can not claim persecution if you are doing the same thing,that you are charging others of.

 

[zone]

Just this mornng I received this Word from God....

you say you're not saved.
you said you are a child of the devil.
so how did you get a word from the Lord this morning.

 

[zone]

Yet many of you will gang up up on Zone in the very same manner,yet you never see anything wrong in that.

oh yes...the judaizers.
they have their own reasons for despising me.

so religious.

millions of posts claiming to be led by the Spirit (which others lack - oh yes!) - no exegesis, no Bible. just a lot of religious speech sounding so Jewish....throw in some Hebrew and there's your authority.

you know...i see next to NO understanding on the texts either in letter or Spirit.
just opinions and contrived benedictions (clearly meant for the special few, since it's this popular CODE-speak)

and once again, blessing with the right hand and cursing with the left.

no straight-forward convictions.
NO BIBLICAL WORK WHATSOEVER.

pretending a single forum internet site is expected to have only the True Followers of the Mashiach - evidenced by.....what?

"Sacred Names"?

testimonies?

opinions?

its' getting RIDICULOUS.

 

[zone]

Some of you ask others to "list" their persecustions, while others of you call them boasters should they confess their tribulations.

This falls under the heading of damned if you do, damned if you do not.

Just as the children:

Mat 11:17
And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

okay...let's all list our REAL persecutions.

i have to drive someone who has no vehicle somewhere.
when i get back, i'm going to list how i have been persecuted (HINT - it won't be anything done on an internet forum....to which i choose to log on and engage with).

is there a prize for who has suffered the most REAL persecutions?

good.....how about CASH....i need some.

or will it be more religiously contrived speech?

i don't need that.

LIST OF EXAMPLES OF REAL PERSECUTIONs FORTHCOMING LATER TODAY......