Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

[PS]

I am not certain about the laws being writtendown by the Levitical priests, though there are a lot of factors most are not aware of that do figure in to what you have shared.

From Adam until Noah there was oral tradition within which were laws. From Noah until Moses there was also the tradition of oral history with laws. Finally the oral traditions were still and are yet observed to a large degree along with the writingss of Torah, the Prophets and the specific Writings.

Whether what you have shared is or is not in this instance really would not effect the teachings of Jesus christ for He did do away with laws that do not contain mercy, faith and justice. This would cover anything added by men. I know those laws of stoning people to death are definitely not merciful, and my faith tells me the sins requiring the execution of this punishment are are not of Jesus, our God and Father, and it is certainly not just to deprive any soul of time to repent.....

I listen to Jesus on these points of law as it is under mercy......most either will not or do not. So what I believe allows for your wonderful contribution.

Thank you.

First God gave only one commandment, that was not to eat of the tree of knowledge, then came the six noahide laws and finally we received the Ten Commandments that Jesus further expounded. As far as I know, these are truly the only commandments given by God. There are others on here who know more about the writings of the scribes and Pharisees.

 

[JaumeJ]

According to Moses writings , that is, the writings attributed to Moses, the instructions for worship where quite exact and were a prophecy in part of Christ. Yes, the ceremonial laws are quite intricate, and since Christ, praise Him, no longer feasible. So it is with all the law, they are fulfilled by Jesus.

However all moral laws will always be in effect because they are the written elaboration of the golden rule, ding unto others as we would HaVE THEM do unto us. Yes, those laws are contain and hang upon love, so there is no problem in referring to them.

If we did not, how would a brother recognize another's sin in order to rescue him from waking into the jaws of death? It is common sense,but most folks who claim to believe and then deny obeying what Jesus teaches are quite terrorized by the word, obedience. I find obedience the only rewarding manner of life in Chris, that and I must not leave out thanksgiving, amen.

The Ten Commandments I believe are God given, while the Oral Law that came down from Moses that contains the moral law, civil law, and ceremonial law is of man that was handwritten by the scribes.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank you.

First God gave only one commandment, that was not to eat of the tree of knowledge, then came the six noahide laws and finally we received the Ten Commandments that Jesus further expounded. As far as I know, these are truly the only commandments given by God. There are others on here who know more about the writings of the scribes and Pharisees.

by what you are saying here, You reject exodus and Leviticus as inspired words of God? You have to. or you would not be saying what you are saying.

 

[posthuman]

I see the Ten Commandments as being from God, and the Levitical Law as being the law of sinful man.

Hey - I think you are way wrong here, but I appreciate you being straightforward about what you think. Other people seem to believe things like this but are afraid to admit it, but you are bold to say so, and I like that bro.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Ten Commandments I believe are God given, while the Oral Law that came down from Moses that contains the moral law, civil law, and ceremonial law is of man that was handwritten by the scribes.

Who gave that Law to moses. Did moses make them up on his own?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey - I think you are way wrong here, but I appreciate you being straightforward about what you think. Other people seem to believe things like this but are afraid to admit it, but you are bold to say so, and I like that bro.

I agree, and he is not getting mad when people keep questioning him..

 

[PS]

by what you are saying here, You reject exodus and Leviticus as inspired words of God? You have to. or you would not be saying what you are saying.

We cannot write off scripture en-block. All scripture is for our edification. The only thing I would say is to balance scripture against the new commandment given to us by Jesus which is to:-

love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. (Joh 13:34-35 KJV)

If scripture harmonises with that, then we can be sure we are on solid ground.

 

[PS]

Who gave that Law to moses. Did moses make them up on his own?

Moses had the difficult task of keeping thousands of irritable, fault finding, grumbling people under control, hence we have the law of Moses that commonly threatened the people with death if they were disobedient.

They often do not harmonise the Ten Commandments or the law of love.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Moses had the difficult task of keeping thousands of irritable, fault finding, grumbling people under control, hence we have the law of Moses that commonly threatened the people with death if they were disobedient.

Lev 1:
1 Now the Lord called to Moses, and spoke to him from the tabernacle of meeting, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When any one of you brings an offering to the Lord, you shall bring your offering of the livestock—of the herd and of the flock.

So this is not correct? God did not give this command to moses?

Ex 20: [SUP]22 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:

So all the laws God gave to moses after this were not from God?

 

[PS]

Lev 1:
1 Now the Lord called to Moses, and spoke to him from the tabernacle of meeting, saying, [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When any one of you brings an offering to the Lord, you shall bring your offering of the livestock—of the herd and of the flock.

So this is not correct? God did not give this command to moses?

Ex 20: [SUP]22 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel:

So all the laws God gave to moses after this were not from God?

The true God requires:-
Hosea 6:6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

Mar_12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Micah 6:8 He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.”

The true God does not want:-
Isaiah 1:11 “What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

Psa 40:6 In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear. Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required.

Amos 5:22 Yea, though ye offer me your burnt-offerings and meal-offerings, I will not accept them; neither will I regard the peace-offerings of your fat beasts.

1Sa 15:22 "Tell me," Samuel said (to Saul). "Does the LORD really want sacrifices and offerings? No! He doesn't want your sacrifices. He wants you to obey him.

Psa 40:5-6 You have multiplied, O LORD my God, your wondrous deeds and your thoughts toward us; none can compare with you! I will proclaim and tell of them, yet they are more than can be told. In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear.[Use it.] Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required.

I have to walk the dog. Please think on these things.

 

[gb9]

The true God requires:-
Hosea 6:6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

Mar_12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Micah 6:8 He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.”

The true God does not want:-
Isaiah 1:11 “What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

Psa 40:6 In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear. Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required.

Amos 5:22 Yea, though ye offer me your burnt-offerings and meal-offerings, I will not accept them; neither will I regard the peace-offerings of your fat beasts.

1Sa 15:22 "Tell me," Samuel said (to Saul). "Does the LORD really want sacrifices and offerings? No! He doesn't want your sacrifices. He wants you to obey him.

Psa 40:5-6 You have multiplied, O LORD my God, your wondrous deeds and your thoughts toward us; none can compare with you! I will proclaim and tell of them, yet they are more than can be told. In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear.[Use it.] Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required.

I have to walk the dog. Please think on these things.

I thought about it. my conclusion is - this thread has gotten so far out it needs the twilight zone theme playing in the background.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The true God requires:-
Hosea 6:6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.

Mar_12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Micah 6:8 He has told you, O mortal, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God.”

The true God does not want:-
Isaiah 1:11 “What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain offerings; incense is an abomination to me. New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations— cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly.

Psa 40:6 In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear. Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required.

Amos 5:22 Yea, though ye offer me your burnt-offerings and meal-offerings, I will not accept them; neither will I regard the peace-offerings of your fat beasts.

1Sa 15:22 "Tell me," Samuel said (to Saul). "Does the LORD really want sacrifices and offerings? No! He doesn't want your sacrifices. He wants you to obey him.

Psa 40:5-6 You have multiplied, O LORD my God, your wondrous deeds and your thoughts toward us; none can compare with you! I will proclaim and tell of them, yet they are more than can be told. In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted, but you have given me an open ear.[Use it.] Burnt offering and sin offering you have not required.

I have to walk the dog. Please think on these things.

So Moses lied and God did not say what I showed he said?

Then I can not trust the two or more books in the OT the law is contained in, Because they are false. Which means I cant trust the OT, since it is part of the OT. Which means I can not trust the entire word.

Hope you had a nice walk. Please think on those things when you get back.

 

[Cee]

We can run into error if we try to merge the OT and NT together because they are two different agreements. One revealed the need for a Savior. And the other reveals the Savior. Obeying God is two fold. Believe in the One He sent. And love one another as He has loved us. What these two things look like is given to us through relationship with His Spirit.

Ive noticed this focus on don’t sin, but the way we don’t sin is through faith and love. We do these things through the power of the gospel transforming us from the inside out.

 

[PS]

So Moses lied and God did not say what I showed he said?

Then I can not trust the two or more books in the OT the law is contained in, Because they are false. Which means I cant trust the OT, since it is part of the OT. Which means I can not trust the entire word.

Hope you had a nice walk. Please think on those things when you get back.

It means there is a lot to be blotted out.

 

[JaumeJ]

Abraham was the first to receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The Prophets, the Writings and the Law speak of Jesus Christ.

For a hundred years teh first assemblies to come to Jesus Chris as Savior and God were
taught from what we now refer to as the Old Testamen.

People who know Jesus Christ see Him throughout the Old Testament.

When people run into error by studying the two which truly have become one, it is not the error of
the Word, it is the people's erro.

Mercy, justice, grace and faith are taught from Genesis through to the final amen of Revelation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It means there is a lot to be blotted out.

I am sorry, That did not answer my question. WHat do I do with the OT if I can not trust it as Gods word?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Abraham was the first to receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Actually Adam and Eve was.

 

[Studyman]

Galatians 4:21-26

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.​

[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

This isn't super difficult. Once you have been to Christ.​

Christ, at least the Christ of the Bible, said we are to live by Every Word that proceeds from the Word which became Flesh. Without the Old Testament and His Word there is no way to understand Galatians or Romans.

You are left to use them as a club to destroy the Word's of Christ which expose your religion as from man and not from God.

Since I am not Catholic, I do not follow her religion, or her religious traditions. I trust the Word which became Flesh for my instructions. ALL of them, not just a couple of verses I can take out of context to beat up other Word's of the Christ.

2 Corinthians 3:12-16

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:[SUP]13 [/SUP]And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:[SUP]14 [/SUP]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[SUP]15 [/SUP]But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Of course, telling someone that their mind is blinded when Moses is read doesn't really convince them of this fact. All it does is make them upset. But facts are facts.

Galatians 3:3

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Only lawyers and judaizers think so.
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Again,

I don't believe you can take one scripture and use it to destroy other scriptures that don't support your ancient religious traditions.







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[PS]

I am sorry, That did not answer my question. WHat do I do with the OT if I can not trust it as Gods word?

JaumeJ has just correctly said, "Mercy, justice, grace and faith are taught from Genesis through to the final amen of Revelation."

If you see anything different, then take a second look. Remember Solomon consulted with seers and witches. Not everything is of God. You know the Word, you love God, and you are firmly based in the faith. May God bless you as you study the Word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

JaumeJ has just correctly said, "Mercy, justice, grace and faith are taught from Genesis through to the final amen of Revelation."

If you see anything different, then take a second look. Remember Solomon consulted with seers and witches. Not everything is of God. You know the Word, you love God, and you are firmly based in the faith. May God bless you as you study the Word.

Your still not answering my questions. I asked hwo I can trust the Bible if it is a lie

Moses wrote, that God told him to write down the law. You claim Moses lied (it is not from God it is really from moses)

If I can not trust one part of the OT, I can not trust any of it, If it says mercy grace and justice and faith was taught in the OT, How can I trust it if I can not trust the OT.

do you understand what I am trying to ask