Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances

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Yet another post for likes. All eyes on me huh?
what about if a person were to take a stab at answering my questions,
I did not respond to your post You responded to my post. And you did it without actually dealing with the facts that were posted within the context of the passage to which it was taken.

((did Paul preach one gospel in Galatia and a different one in Collosae?? why is it okay to keep bringing up Deuteronomy??
Topic change. Accusations were made. Follow the posts.
 

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Originally Posted by lightbearer

The Law; the Word; HIS Christ is put in our hearts, minds and mouths.

This has been available since the time of Moses if not before through Christ. In Deut 30:6,10-14 GOD has said, And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God (through this circumcision), to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law (the word), and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word (the Book of the Law) is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deu 30:6, 10-14 KJV)

This has always been GOD's intent. This what Christ fulfilled.

For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word, the Book of the Law)down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word, the Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ, the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; For Christ (the word, the Book of the Law in our hearts and in our mouths) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.



(Rom 10:6-8,4 KJV)
Not sure how quoting Deuteronomy which was written to Israel proves your case. Like I said the 10 Commandments were a specific covenant between God and Israel given through Moses.
Your not sure why Paul quoted Deut. 30:11-14? And Why the post you responded to brought this out?
Because the Holy Spirit through Paul said this is the Faith in which we speak.
 

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Your not sure why Paul quoted Deut. 30:11-14? And Why the post you responded to brought this out?
Because the Holy Spirit through Paul said this is the Faith in which we speak.
You’re right. Paul said faith is the end of the Law for those who believe. This was written so Israel would turn to Christ. He quoted Deuteronomy so they would see that they needed Christ since the beginning. So what about Gentiles? (Romans 2)
 
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this is a sad sad commentary. Talk about wanting to remain under law. Thats what I mean when I say commentaries are flawed. anyone can find a commentary to support their belief system.

The only ordinances against anyone is the law. No pagan ordinances would be against anyone pagan ordinances have nothing to do with the final judgment.

That's like saying that the law in America can condemn a person to hell. So God took these ordinances away and nailed them to the cross.

Jesus nailed the condemnation of the law (which condemned EVERYONE who did not obey every word see gal 3) and nailed them to the cross.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is spiritual,the moral laws,laws of love,and we do not void them out,but we establish the law,and live up to the law by the Spirit.

In the Old Testament they could not have the Spirit to live up to the spiritual laws,but in the New Testament we can have the Spirit and live up to the spiritual laws.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

A person that hates sin,and does not want sin,by the Spirit can abstain from sin,therefore they are not under the law,which means the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

Hold unto sin and do not give it up then you are under the law,and not establishing the law,as Paul said we must establish the law,because the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus did not take the law away,the spiritual laws,laws of love,and moral laws,but He took the physical ordinances of Israel away.

Hold unto the sin of loving money and material things for your wants,then you fall victim to the love of money is the root of all evil,for it neglects the poor and needy,which many people that believe faith alone,and not saved by works,fail at that and are under the law,and we see that so much in the world of their hypocrisy,where they hold unto sin and think they are right with God,but then they are under the law and can be prosecuted.

The physical ordinances were against us because they have no bearing on spiritual salvation,but the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,not a physical ordinance.

They are not under the law because they are not sinning,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution,not they are not under the law as if they do not have to obey the law,for we always have to obey the law.

The law is spiritual,not physical.
 

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Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is spiritual,the moral laws,laws of love,and we do not void them out,but we establish the law,and live up to the law by the Spirit.

In the Old Testament they could not have the Spirit to live up to the spiritual laws,but in the New Testament we can have the Spirit and live up to the spiritual laws.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

A person that hates sin,and does not want sin,by the Spirit can abstain from sin,therefore they are not under the law,which means the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

Hold unto sin and do not give it up then you are under the law,and not establishing the law,as Paul said we must establish the law,because the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus did not take the law away,the spiritual laws,laws of love,and moral laws,but He took the physical ordinances of Israel away.

Hold unto the sin of loving money and material things for your wants,then you fall victim to the love of money is the root of all evil,for it neglects the poor and needy,which many people that believe faith alone,and not saved by works,fail at that and are under the law,and we see that so much in the world of their hypocrisy,where they hold unto sin and think they are right with God,but then they are under the law and can be prosecuted.

The physical ordinances were against us because they have no bearing on spiritual salvation,but the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,not a physical ordinance.

They are not under the law because they are not sinning,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution,not they are not under the law as if they do not have to obey the law,for we always have to obey the law.

The law is spiritual,not physical.
Jesus not take away the law but establish it

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Adultery, was mean physically, now if you look a woman with lust you are committed adultery.

sabbath or rest, was once a week, now simply by coming to Jesus.
 
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A good understanding of the purpose of the ceremonial laws used as parables go a long way when looking at the handwriting ordinances of God. The letter of the law, as that which we see, the temporal .

The ceremonial law of circumcision is brought forth by the letter of the law . Two fold.

Romans 2:27 and shall not the uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who with the letter and circumcision art a transgressor of the law


The handwriting of ordinances is all things written in the law and prophets. Sola scriptura.

Two kinds of laws make up the one perfect law.

The moral law as to the letter as by which God lords it over the heart of all men . And the law of faith not seen in respect to the faith of God.

Working as one perfect law they quicken the persons heart and soul giving us His unseen understanding. The key to properly dividing between the two kinds of law below,

2Co 4:18 while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The things seen to include the scriptures written by the finger of God

The letter of the law in respect to the temporal is that which we see with our eyes and hear with or unconverted ears, it kills showing a person is not walking by the law of faith the unseen eternal. The law of faith called the hearing of faith it heals giving us ear to hear what the Spirit is saying.

Romans 2:27 and shall not the uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who with the letter and circumcision art a transgressor of the law?

Romans 7:6 But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

not to have left the other undone.

Romans 3:27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith.

Gal 3:11 Now that no man is justified by the law before God, is evident: for, The righteous shall live by faith; Gal 3:12 and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them.
 
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You’re right. Paul said faith is the end of the Law for those who believe. This was written so Israel would turn to Christ. He quoted Deuteronomy so they would see that they needed Christ since the beginning. So what about Gentiles? (Romans 2)
Its the law that turns all beleivers to Christ.
 

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that is similar to what i think when hear a person wanting to ignore Galatians because it clearly overthrows the confusion they embrace about Colossians.

same Spirit that inspired the same apostle. same gospel. if you can't read Galatians without it contradicting what you think about Colossians, you're in a ditch.

don't worry, there's rope ! :)
I don't agree with how you twist one scripture and use it to beat up or destroy other Word's of God.

Yes, Galatians can be construed as over ruling the Word which became Flesh to those who use it to promote their ancient religious traditions.

But For those who use God's Words as instruction in doctrine and righteousness, It says the same thing front and back.

Paul's letter to the Galatians is no different than the teaching of the Prophets or Jesus.
 
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But in Him all the righteous requirements of the law were met...
In regard to having right standing before God, yes, there is no debt of law yet to be satisfied for the believer in order for them to stand righteous and perfect before the Father (and therefore, eligible for the kingdom). But in regard to daily living and what we're supposed to do, there are requirements of the law that remain unfulfilled and which we fulfill, through the power of the Holy Spirit, of course.

See, Christ did not fulfill our lawful responsibility to 'love your neighbor as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18) on the cross. We do that. We do it through the power of the Spirit. My 1984 NIV says it like this:


"Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another"-Romans 13:8


Laws for sabbaths and holy days, and circumcision, and cleanliness, etc. get satisfied for us by Christ through our faith in Christ such that there is no debt of law remaining regarding those kinds of things. That's why we don't HAVE to do them anymore. But in regard to how we behave in this life there is a continual debt of responsibility to the law to love that we fulfill. Christ doesn't do it, we do it. Of course we do it through the power of the Spirit in a changed nature.
 
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Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.For us or against us?
Both.

"this commandment, which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me"-Romans 7:10



Human or divine origin?
Both.
 

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So blotting out Saturday sabbath is include in the blotting out handwriting ordinance on that verse.
 

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You’re right. Paul said faith is the end of the Law for those who believe. This was written so Israel would turn to Christ.
No he said, For Christ (the word, the Book of the Law in our hearts and in our mouths) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

He quoted Deuteronomy so they would see that they needed Christ since the beginning. So what about Gentiles? (Romans 2)
Romans 10 is addressing Jew and Gentile. The Law; the Word; Christ is our hearts, minds and mouths that we do it that is the Faith in which we preach. No longer is the ministry of Ink on parchment and Tables of Stone. But the ministry is us through Christ; the word; the law in our hearts, minds, and mouths.
 

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He didn't say anything of the sort.

Faith in Christ is the END of the Law for those who believe.

We are justified APART from the Law.

Everything else you just added in.
 

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Has it been blotted out that we return any of our enemy's lost propert? Shall we, as blievers in the Word, thee Laws of Love, the GodlenRule, etc. blot out these types of "laws" wo we may run willy nilly to steal from our enemies and anyone else for that matter.

If you believe laws that fit into the Golden Rule and the laws of love are blotted out you aree not in the family of Yahweh who gave His only Son for our sins, you have a sect for a religion and that is all.
 

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You're all Gentiles.

You weren't given the Law.

So Romans 2 applies to you:

14For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

The Law is written on our hearts, which is why we need Christ. Because their thoughts accuse or excuse them on that DAY (of Judgment) when God judges the secrets of men's hearts.

Let's stick to the context.
 

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And no, being a Christian doesn't put you under Moses either.

Galatians 3:7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.

Yep, not even law-keepers. No one is justified by the Law. Righteousness is by FAITH.

So if righteousness comes by FAITH, why the Law? Great question.

Here's Paul's answer:

19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.

The Law was given so people wouldn't sin so much. UNTIL. If you're not in Christ, yes you're still under the Law, but the problem there is - you're not justified by it. So get in Christ.

If you're still under the Law, you're imprisoned. Yep, I'll let Paul explain.

23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.

See all those UNTIL's? Yeah. The coming faith as now been revealed. Because Christ came. Congrats, you get to be justified by FAITH.

And no, you're still not a Jew in Christ.

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There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

You actually identify with Christ now. And if you're trying to identify with anything outside of Him? Well here's your chance.

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For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Have you put on Christ?
 
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You'll notice I've posted from liberally from Galatians 2 and 3, because I'm not taking anything out of context.

And here's Galatians 4:

Written to those who STILL desire to be under the Law.

21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?

Now Paul is about to explain that even the Law represents itself as slavery.

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For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

Notice Paul says, 2 covenants, one is for slavery and one is for freedom. This is why you don't want to mix the two covenants together! And in case you think he's not talking about the 10 Commandments, look what he says next, ONE is from Mount Sinai which bears children for SLAVERY.

What was given at Mount Sinai? The Ten Commandments! (Exodus 19-20)

Now, there is SO much in Exodus 19.

But let me show you one quick thing.

Exodus 19:7 So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all the words the Lord had commanded him to speak. 8 The people all responded together, “We will do everything the Lord has said.” So Moses brought their answer back to the Lord.

In this moment, they put themselves into a position of their obedience determining their righteousness.

Look what happens next.

Exodus 19:23 Moses said to the Lord, “The people cannot come up Mount Sinai, because you yourself warned us, ‘Put limits around the mountain and set it apart as holy.’

Now all the sudden the people under the OT can not come to the Lord. Because holiness is apart from them. And they were given a set of 10 strict rules and then a few chapters later even more strict rules. Why? Because this covenant is for CHILDREN. And these Children were not ready for freedom in Christ.

Yet even in the Law there is a promise of Rest. And this Rest is Christ. And so important is this, that Paul tells us that if we are still under the Mount Sinai covenant we are not able to inherit.

Galatians 4:30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

Galatians 5:1For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

And here's where I'll stop going through Galatians verse by verse.

Galatians 5:4You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Don't seek to be justified by the law, seek to be justified by faith in Christ. Cast out the slave woman. And inherit as a child of the free woman.
 

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Has it been blotted out that we return any of our enemy's lost propert? Shall we, as blievers in the Word, thee Laws of Love, the GodlenRule, etc. blot out these types of "laws" wo we may run willy nilly to steal from our enemies and anyone else for that matter.

If you believe laws that fit into the Golden Rule and the laws of love are blotted out you aree not in the family of Yahweh who gave His only Son for our sins, you have a sect for a religion and that is all.
If we love people as we are commanded, we aren't going to harm or hurt them are we.
 

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This great love some have for so many overwhelms me. You know what I am saying in my post. True, if you love people you will not "harm" them, but this does not blot out all laws and ordinaces for they hang on love. Anything hanging on something is yet extant. You know this. If you do not, then continue with your one word teachign, but remember, Jesus has told us many things in how we should conduct ourselves. Those things are written down in the New Testament.....should you blot out those sttues and ordinances? Please do not say they are nto because they are the Gospel, because the laws that uspport love are also in the Old Testament......Discernment by the example and teaching of our Messiah is the way..........we are only save by His Blood, but being save is not license to break any of the teachings of good conduct, and many of those are yet extand, extant, from the law........



If we love people as we are commanded, we aren't going to harm or hurt them are we.
 

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This great love some have for so many overwhelms me. You know what I am saying in my post. True, if you love people you will not "harm" them, but this does not blot out all laws and ordinaces for they hang on love. Anything hanging on something is yet extant. You know this. If you do not, then continue with your one word teachign, but remember, Jesus has told us many things in how we should conduct ourselves. Those things are written down in the New Testament.....should you blot out those sttues and ordinances? Please do not say they are nto because they are the Gospel, because the laws that uspport love are also in the Old Testament......Discernment by the example and teaching of our Messiah is the way..........we are only save by His Blood, but being save is not license to break any of the teachings of good conduct, and many of those are yet extand, extant, from the law........
Yes, the Ten Commandments hang on the law and they are still in force and need to be obeyed. (Some say they have been cancelled.) But look at them, apart from the 4th, they are all about NOT harming people, and about honouring God and parents. If you apply the law of love or even replace love with respect then we are not going to do any of those things are we.


  1. I am the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any gods before me.
  2. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything.
  3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
  4. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
  5. Honor your father and your mother.
  6. You shall not murder.
  7. You shall not commit adultery.
  8. You shall not steal.
  9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
  10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, or property.
 
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