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Matthew 26:27-29 (KJV)
And he took the cup, and gave thanks,
and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament,
which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth
of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I
drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
The phrase fruit of the vine is another way
to refer to the juice of the grape.
The fruit of the vine or grape juice is
something that is not fermented.
And he took the cup, and gave thanks,
and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament,
which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth
of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I
drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
The phrase fruit of the vine is another way
to refer to the juice of the grape.
The fruit of the vine or grape juice is
something that is not fermented.
P
The problem I have with the Catholic doctrine of Transubnation is due in whole that they actually believe that the bread and wine is transformed literally as the actual body and blood of the Lord Jesus.
In our Lords address to the seventy disciples and the Apostles whom he sent to cast out devils, heal the sick and preach the gospel of the kingdom, he clearly stated that except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, they can not have any part in him.
They replied: This is a hard saying, who can hear it? And they left off from following him anymore.
But Jesus wasn't being literal, he spoke in essence spiritually, for the words he spake were Spirit and Life, he was that bread that came down from heaven, but our lord was no loafer... Sorry! I could not resist that little pun.
No my friend, Jesus made it very clear that as often as we eat this bread (actual) and drink this cup (drinking actual wine) you do show the Lords death until he coomes.
Now can you see how foolish it is if we take literally showing the Lords death until he comes?
In our Lords address to the seventy disciples and the Apostles whom he sent to cast out devils, heal the sick and preach the gospel of the kingdom, he clearly stated that except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, they can not have any part in him.
They replied: This is a hard saying, who can hear it? And they left off from following him anymore.
But Jesus wasn't being literal, he spoke in essence spiritually, for the words he spake were Spirit and Life, he was that bread that came down from heaven, but our lord was no loafer... Sorry! I could not resist that little pun.
No my friend, Jesus made it very clear that as often as we eat this bread (actual) and drink this cup (drinking actual wine) you do show the Lords death until he coomes.
Now can you see how foolish it is if we take literally showing the Lords death until he comes?
R
I entirely accept what you're saying. My view is just a different one and we may never agree, but not to worry! You believe he did not mean it literally, I believe he did, but I don't think we'll change each others minds on this. Almost 2000 years have passed and the Catholic Church has not fallen yet, so I will trust in her. 
God bless.
God bless.
A
Taking Communion bread or wine doesn't make you a child of God or saves you or gives you eternal life.
Accept that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, was cruxified for our sins and resurrected and receiving the Holy Spirit and being born again. That is what saves.
Communion is the remembrance of Jesus sacrifice and honoring Him and keeping His commandments but it is not what saves.
It is not the bread of eternal life, the HOLY Spirit is. God's WORD is. not things you eat and goes into your stomach but things that can transform a heart and mindl and bear the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
its symbolic because JESUS said it was in REMEMBRANCE not so you might transform those object by some magic ritual into His actual body and blood.
Accept that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, was cruxified for our sins and resurrected and receiving the Holy Spirit and being born again. That is what saves.
Communion is the remembrance of Jesus sacrifice and honoring Him and keeping His commandments but it is not what saves.
It is not the bread of eternal life, the HOLY Spirit is. God's WORD is. not things you eat and goes into your stomach but things that can transform a heart and mindl and bear the fruits of the Holy Spirit.
its symbolic because JESUS said it was in REMEMBRANCE not so you might transform those object by some magic ritual into His actual body and blood.
R
In the same way that we come to know Jesus at some point in our lives, through time spent before the Blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, I have come to know that Jesus is truely and definitely present there, as have many many people. You should try and see. I don't think you should say "it ISN'T", as you may come to regret that at some point. But I respect your beliefs. God bless.
Also, maybe you think I place all my trust in receiving Communion, hoping it will save my soul: I don't! I try to follow Jesus, through his words and actions, and I try my best not to sin. Communion is my spiritual food.
Also, maybe you think I place all my trust in receiving Communion, hoping it will save my soul: I don't! I try to follow Jesus, through his words and actions, and I try my best not to sin. Communion is my spiritual food.
Yea ana it's for believers to practice this in remembrance of
the Lord. This is not for unbelievers to turn from their ways.
They have to believe first then they should practice all that
Christ commanded.
You get two types people: seed of Christ
and the seed of the enemy (Abel&Cain) ... (Jacob&Esau).
parable of the sower.
im going in a different direction here
on the subject on seed but will post further
in the other thread.
the Lord. This is not for unbelievers to turn from their ways.
They have to believe first then they should practice all that
Christ commanded.
You get two types people: seed of Christ
and the seed of the enemy (Abel&Cain) ... (Jacob&Esau).
parable of the sower.
im going in a different direction here
on the subject on seed but will post further
in the other thread.
P
Don't take me so literal. You know what I meant. 1 Corithians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Fruit of the vine (grape juice) but was also refered to as new wine.
So please don't overly scrutinize me, its so Pharisee, if you know what I mean.
So please don't overly scrutinize me, its so Pharisee, if you know what I mean.
R
Grape Juice Really? Seriously? The wedding in Canna? Jesus was a Jew and observant of the law till the moment of his death. Wine Dear people not Grape juice was in his cup. Wake up. Some of the posts here are the same anti Catholic bias that has been re hashed over and over again since the 16th Centry by the Reformation. We are all Christians. Now If Christ says thie IS my body. Where do you see symbolism. If he shared his body and blood with his beloved for the spirit to be fed then who are WE to deny that which Christ Jesus said to DO! We are in communion with HIM Jesus. For God so Loved the World he gave his Son. His son who so loved his followers gave of himself in body and spirit. There is no symbolic meaning to it. Fact is fact. When the Anti Christ Comes he will pit us against each other, of that I have no doubt. Unite Brothers under the banner of the Lamb or be led astray by the bias of man.
Uh-oh, controversyyyyy
Anywho, I know most people on here aren't Catholic, so I may post the odd thread on Catholic beliefs or questions regarding Catholicism. Not doing it to start an all out WAR, just for debate purposes
So firstly: We believe that during the Mass the priest transforms the bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus.
Jesus said: "He that eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, dwells in me, and I in him." John 6:56
And there are various other Bible verses similar to this. I know I will be told that this is not to be taken literally, but that seems like choosing what you want to be literal or not.
Thoughts.
Anywho, I know most people on here aren't Catholic, so I may post the odd thread on Catholic beliefs or questions regarding Catholicism. Not doing it to start an all out WAR, just for debate purposes
So firstly: We believe that during the Mass the priest transforms the bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus.
Jesus said: "He that eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, dwells in me, and I in him." John 6:56
And there are various other Bible verses similar to this. I know I will be told that this is not to be taken literally, but that seems like choosing what you want to be literal or not.
Thoughts.
The thing here is that Jesus was God even before He was born from the womb of Mary.
God is Jesus Christ that went into the womb of Mary.
God is not the body (flesh) of Jesus Christ but the very soul of God in the body of Jesus Christ.
Well what im trying to say here is that Jesus Christ WAS before Mary even existed, so how can Mary be God's mother?
God is Jesus Christ that went into the womb of Mary.
God is not the body (flesh) of Jesus Christ but the very soul of God in the body of Jesus Christ.
Well what im trying to say here is that Jesus Christ WAS before Mary even existed, so how can Mary be God's mother?