Body Of CHRIST "Does NOT" Go To Heaven?

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#61
First of all, don't flatter yourself in your own pride anymore than you already have.

I can assure you that I've heard absolutely nothing "here first" in that I've been refuting the nonsense that you're presently spewing for more than 30 years.

Anyhow, seeing how you've done nothing to refute what I said about the whole "left behind" thing, I'll simply focus on one of your other errors right now.

Despite your blather about what I've supposedly been misled into believing, what YOU fail to recognize is that BOTH DELIVERANCE AND JUDGMENT CAME ABOUT ON THE SAME DAY IN JESUS' CITED EXAMPLES OF NOAH AND LOT...

Luke chapter 17

[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

...BECAUSE BOTH DELIVERANCE AND JUDGMENT WILL COME ABOUT ON THE SAME DAY WHEN JESUS RETURNS.

Got it?

The implications of such a Biblical truth?

Well, that your "Duh, THE CHURCH IS DELIVERED 7 YEARS PRIOR TO JUDGMENT in a pre-tribulation rapture" belief/teaching is pure, unadulterated, antichristian (in that it flies directly in the face of what Jesus actually taught), nonsensical GARBAGE.

Hey, maybe you like garbage.

I don't.

I regularly put it out by the curb.
Nothing in there is post judgement.

Hello???
The 2nd coming is post judgement. End of the 7 year trib.
There IS NO BUYING AND SELLING OR LIFE AS USUAL.

Calm down
Go back and try again.

Even the one taken/ left is in normal peacetime dynamic.

Trying to force fit it into your doctrine is futile.
 
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#62
""""Hey, maybe you like garbage.

I don't.

I regularly put it out by the curb.""""

My verses are garbage?

Hmmmmm

You are not very old ,are you?
 
Jul 23, 2018
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#63
L4H QUOTE ;
"""Oh, please.
Don't tell me that you're so gullible to believe any of that "left behind" garbage"""


Interpret for US the 10 virgin parable.( The rapture)

I will wait.
Still waiting.
 
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#64
"""Anyhow, seeing how you've done nothing to refute what I said about the whole "left behind" thing, I'll simply focus on one of your other errors right now"""

Lol
Omitting verses is nothing for you to brag about
Your constant deviation outside the bible is noted.
 
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#65
What about rev 14??

Any wisdom on that chapter ?
144 k in heaven as firstfruits
Main body of Jews gathered to heaven during the trib. By Jesus sitting on a cloud????
Not a billion horses?????

Any explanation how they beat the dead in Christ to heaven?( You guys claim the resurrection is after the gt.)....so the dead in Christ really do not rise First?????
^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^
 
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#66
Debate bible
Not your dead men you invoke.

Bible
Got bible?
 
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Live4Him

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#67
Nothing in there is post judgement.

Hello???
The 2nd coming is post judgement. End of the 7 year trib.
There IS NO BUYING AND SELLING OR LIFE AS USUAL.

Calm down
Go back and try again.

Even the one taken/ left is in normal peacetime dynamic.

Trying to force fit it into your doctrine is futile.
lol.

It's funny being preached to by somebody who doesn't even know how long the tribulation period is.

Hint: It's 3 1/2 years, not 7 years.
 

oyster67

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#68
They were saved( virgins) but had run out of oil.
They had SOME oil but it ran out.
They are saints but foolish( carnal) as the corinthians were.
One is either saved or they are not. No middle ground there.
 
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#69
One is either saved or they are not. No middle ground there.
There are different kinds that are all saved.
Carnal
Those walking in holiness
Mature
Toddlers
Babies....just saved.

Jesus said " pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the world and stand before the son of man"

All saved
No all are worthy.
All the virgins were virgins ( saved)
All had oil ( the Holy Spirit)
All had light( Jesus)
All had lamps ( the word indwelling)

They were definitely all saved born again believers.

The game changer was the " extra oil/ extra vessels"
 
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#70
lol.

It's funny being preached to by somebody who doesn't even know how long the tribulation period is.

Hint: It's 3 1/2 years, not 7 years.
Ok I can go with that.

It is really splitting hairs but I can flow with the 3.5 vs 3.5

I just call the whole thing gt because it is just that....great trib.
 
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QUOTE BY L4 H ;
"""Luke's parallel account shows this undeniable truth more clearly.
We read:
Luke chapter 17
26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;"""



So what you are saying is that Noah and Lot were delivered pretrib and the setting for both is normal life???

Oh yes we agree!!! we both agree with scripture that can not POSSIBLY be post trib setting. Good point! Thanks for verifying yet another pretrib rapture dynamic.

I see you finally saw that Noah and Lot are not at all postrib rapture dynamics.
And that normal life would also be a pretrib rapture dynamic
Thank again for the pretrib rapture components.

So plain
So simple
^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^
 
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#72
Any of you postribs care to answer mat 25 ten virgin rapture verses?

Such a slam dunk picture of the gathering of the bride.
To heaven no less.
Still waiting
Rapture dynamic vividly painted.
Still waiting on postribs to unpack it for us
 

GRACE_ambassador

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#73
The verses you quote does not teach that our 'final destination' is heaven.
Precious Friend, Thanks So Much for your theology. I respect
your belief to "stay on this earth." ## I hope it is mutual, as:

The Body Of CHRIST, of which "I am a member," will go, and,
"I am looking forward/UP to meeting ALL of them!" WHEN we
{ excepting you, of course :( },

"Meet The LORD JESUS CHRIST, In the air, And, HE "Continues
Taking us {In The SAME Direction!} to
OUR Final Destination!"
=
God's Great GloryLand!! ♫😇↑

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Hopefully, I pray {With my Fear} that the following Problem Does
Not Apply TO you? = Being "left Behind to Stay On The Earth"???:
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Great GRACE Departure! {Part 16}:

Post Departure "Deception"!​

Just After The Resurrection/Departure Of The Body Of CHRIST
To Heaven!:


BIG Problem: those "Left Behind" who "heard and Understood,
And, Did NOT believe The Wonderful Gospel Of PURE GRACE"
will have NO SECOND CHANCE, According To God's Pure And
Holy WORD!:


{ Does anyone else Notice The Following DOUBLE Deception!? }
"Even him {THE Wicked one}, whose coming is after the working of
Satan with All power and signs and lying wonders, And with All
Deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because


they Received Not he Love Of The Truth, that they might Be Saved.

And for this cause God Shall Send them Strong Delusion, that they
should believe a lie: That they all might Be Damned who
BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in UNrighteousness!"
(
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJB!)

TODAY Is THE Day of {PURE GRACE!} Salvation!! And It Is:
SIMPLE As Can Be!:

(1a) "ALL Have sinned And come {WAY!} short of The GLORY Of God!":

Repent { Change mind/Admit To God we Offended HIS Holiness
with OUR sin! }, And realizing that "CHRIST Died FOR our sin!":

(1b) Believe { trust in 100% faith! } on The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS BLOOD, And HIS Resurrection! God Gives HIS GIFT Of ETERNAL
Life! = Everlasting Relationship!


(2a) Thank God For HIS Unspeakable Gift Of Eternal Life!

(2b) Get to know your New Father! my "suggested" reading
to start:
Ephesians, then Romans - Philemon #

(3) Fulfill All The Law In ONE Word: "LOVE your neighbor as
yourself!" = fellowship! work out OUR OWN salvation
( sanctification! ), And:

(4) Looking, Watching, And Waiting For our "Blessed HOPE!":
(Romans 8:18, 19, 23, 25; 1 Corinthians 1:7; Ephesians 6:12-18;
Philippians 3:20; Colossians 3:2, 4 :1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:5-11;
2 Thessalonians 3:5; Titus 2:13 KJB! ), Until:
Great GRACE Departure!:​
(5)
CHRIST Catches us UP Into Glorification, And HIS Judgment
Seat! God Gives Out Rewards At Judgment!! = Simplicity In
CHRIST!


Note: HIS BLOOD / "burning Up our bad works" Is What
Gets {Body Of CHRIST} believers PRESENTED To The Father,
holy, unblameable, unreproveable, And PERFECT! IN HIS SIGHT!!
(2 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:22 KJB!) Amen?

Again, The Same Redundant Question?: Where, Scripturally,
Does It Teach??: "God, The Father COMES to the earth" FOR:
"This Presentation!"???

Precious friend(s), Please Be Very RICHLY Blessed!
+
"Prove ALL things; hold fast That Which Is Good!"
(1 Thessalonians 5:21 KJB!)
 

presidente

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#74

"Meet The LORD JESUS CHRIST, In the air, And, HE "Continues
Taking us {In The SAME Direction!} to
OUR Final Destination!"
=
God's Great GloryLand!! ♫😇↑

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Why do you think Jesus would interrupt the second coming for your agenda? I Thessalonians 4 shows us that the rapture occurs at the parousia-- the coming of the Lord.

In Acts 1, we see that the Lord will return as He ascended. Did He ascend half way, then come back to earth for seven years, then finish ascending? No.

Do you have one scripture that says that Jesus comes back half way, goes back, then returns? Can you show any scripture for two parousias? Can you show any scripture that shows a rapture occurring before the tribulation? Assuming it then reading it into passage that do not teach it does not count.

In II Thessalonians 1, when Jesus returns and executes judgment on them that believe not and to be glorified in the saints, He gives the church rest. That means that the church will be here.

Also, can you just type words that are readable. All the different fonts, caps, etc. just make your posts hard to read. I plan on skipping most of it if you keep up the excess fonts.
 

oyster67

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#75
They were definitely all saved born again believers.
No saved born again believers will be left behind.

I just call the whole thing gt because it is just that....great trib.
The Tribulation Period will last 7 years. The Antichrist shall be revealed during the first 3.5 years. The next 3.5 years will be when the mark of 666 is instituted and the most severe persecution will take place. This last 3.5 years is called the 'Great Tribulation".
 
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TheWaytoGo

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You never addressed oysters post on the 10 virgins which is a vivid,vivid picture of the gathering of the bride ( the rapture) pretrib.

10 virgins half are taken.

Mat 24 has half taken as well.
Then watch and ready are Jesus words.
Half taken...watch and be ready.

Definitely a pretrib rapture.
They were not His Saints when the Rapture happened. That is why they missed it.

Weeping for you.
 
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TheWaytoGo

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#77
The 'Not appointed to wrath' phrase is not a proof text for pretribulation doctrine.

Beware. Because the pretribulation industry has used this as an advertising slogan for decades.
Attempts to discuss it are normally closed ASAP with a deflection to another subject.


Let us look at how it is taught in the Bible and not rely on the repetition of a doctrinal soundbite.

1 Thes 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.


Notice how this is framed as 2 opposites. Wrath or Salvation.
Not appointed to wrath but to receive salvation.
No promise to escape tribulation exists here.


Jesus presents it in the same way

John 3:36
The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not obey the Son will not see life,
but the wrath of God remains on him.”


John 5
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil,
unto the resurrection of damnation.


The blood of Jesus saves us from the wrath of God now.
The blood of Jesus saves believers who die during the tribulation.
At the core of the Pre-Trib deception is misunderstanding what God's Wrath is - the eternal casting away from Him at the White Throne. Tribulation, persecution, martyrdom are all pre-Wrath events.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.​
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.​
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.​
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.​
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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TheWaytoGo

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In Acts 1, the men who spoke to the apostles a the resurrection told them that the Lord Jesus would return as he ascended. When Christ ascended, He did not come go up, then hang up to earth forever. he did not go part-way up, then go back down for seven years. He ascended, as far as we know, in one direction until he got to his final destination.

He ascended like this, and He will come back the same way:

Psalm 47:5 God has ascended with a shout, The LORD, with the sound of a trumpet.
 
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No saved born again believers will be left behind.



The Tribulation Period will last 7 years. The Antichrist shall be revealed during the first 3.5 years. The next 3.5 years will be when the mark of 666 is instituted and the most severe persecution will take place. This last 3.5 years is called the 'Great Tribulation".
"No saved born again believers will be left behind."
The 5 foolish were virgins.
They had oil, lamps,light, and were with the Wise. Sleeping with the wise and waiting for Jesus.

Definitely saints.

Without a doubt

.....and the innumerable number murdered by the ac are those same left behind foolish believers.
" they washed their robes in the blood of Jesus"
(They had dirty robes....carnal and not intimate...therefore left behind)
 
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"No saved born again believers will be left behind."
The 5 foolish were virgins.
They had oil, lamps,light, and were with the Wise. Sleeping with the wise and waiting for Jesus.

Definitely saints.

Without a doubt

.....and the innumerable number murdered by the ac are those same left behind foolish believers.
" they washed their robes in the blood of Jesus"
(They had dirty robes....carnal and not intimate...therefore left behind)
Yes this is exactly why Jesus said " but pray that you are found worthy to escape the things about to come upon the earth and stand before the son of man"