Born Again Speaking in Tongues

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cv5

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being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirt is invalid -“according to them,” even though Jesus Christ clearly stated to do so in Matthew 28:19.

I just noticed this part and was just wondering if mailmandan also considers the part that says "teaching them to obey EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU.. " which I think is the right thing to do instead of rejecting parts of scripture that is against ones doctrine.

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 14:36-40
Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

I am not a Pentecostal but I believe in the gifts of the Spirit in the body of Christ. (1 Corinthians ch 12)

Are we supposed to OBEY EVERYTHING the Lord COMMANDED us to do if we really received the Holy Spirit that will lead us into all TRUTH and will empower and enable us to do them? Just asking.
Apparently Word Salad is on the menu. Again.
 

cv5

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I knew by what he peddles that he is as false as they come......tragic too because I like my Aussie friends...............anyone that states we must speak in tongues to be saved lacks any and all credibility in my book....
Promoting racism through British Israel
Promoting Legalism through a huge list of rules


Been thru that meat grinder. What a nightmare. And utterly unscriptual. Yes, they are indeed cults.
 

corazondeldei

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Apparently Word Salad is on the menu. Again.
The Word is not a salad for me as it is to you. Here's how i believe it is.

NIV1984 Hebrews 4:12-13
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

NIV1984 John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

NIV1984 Matthew 12:33-37
“Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
 

Waggles

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"For those that may not be aware, there are several extremely dangerous groups promoting themselves to be 'the only way' into the kingdom of God.
They are as follows:
The Revival Fellowship
Revival Centres International
Geelong Revival Centres
Christian Assemblies International.
This internet rubbish and slander has been posted previously in this thread.
The denigration of good Pentecostal churches by a reprobate backslider.
Why am I not surprised that a fellow backslider would find these false accusations against the saints oh so delicious.
 

corazondeldei

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The Word is not a salad for me as it is to you. Here's how i believe it is.

NIV1984 Hebrews 4:12-13
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

NIV1984 John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

NIV1984 Matthew 12:33-37
“Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
NIV1984 John 1:1-3,14
The Word Became Flesh In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

NIV1984 Revelation 19:13
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

NIV1984 Luke 8:11-12
“This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God.
 

stonesoffire

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AMEN....like verses that states clearly that they ALL spoke in unknown LANGUAGES with interpreters etc.....especially Jude, James, Luke, John etc.
Jud 1:20 But you, dear friends, must continue to build your most holy faith for your own benefit. Furthermore, continue to pray in the Holy Spirit.


Prayer language is what Jude is speaking about. No interpreter needed. One can continually pray in the Spirit.

The gift of tongues is equal to prophecy; is a message to the body of believers and of course needs interpretation.
 

stonesoffire

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Yes the new tongues the gospel, prophecy as a sign that follows after a person has received the faith to believe.

That gospel has the power to raise those dead in their trespasses and sins as a new hope giving them a new tongue by which they also can carry on the great commission as a kingdom of priests .

He used other metaphors as that which follow after, or exiting the unseen work .Everyone that is given the faith of Christ by which they can believe God .They will come under the influence of a false gospel called poison and it will not harm those walking by faith .A whole slew of signs (not substance) follow everyone that is born again from above.

Note... (purple in parenthesis my addition)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel (the new tongue) to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs (not substance a shadow ) shall follow (not lead) them that believe; In my name (not in the name of a sign) shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (the gospel) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16: 15
Perhaps the purchase of Strongs concordance might help you with your problems of misunderstanding what’s written.
 

stonesoffire

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You said,: we minister in the same Power Jesus walked in.
Show me this person.

You can’t take part of my sentence and make it say something not said.

The giftings are how we minister in the same power Jesus walked in. When you know not what to say but He begins to flow through in knowledge and wisdom, or in other giftings including laying hands on others and the sick healed.

The word of knowledge and wisdom is one Holy Spirit has given me. Plus a few others. As needed.

Did you not check out the ministry that I support and follow? He moves in miracles.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I have yet to meet one person that holds to his particular religious persuasion that does not add self effort (works) as part of a losable salvation that also includes some sort of tongue speaking or some spiritual manifestation of some "gift"
I am not sure which is worse. That they think they trust God, or they think they do not teach works.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Are you a secular news reporter, the way you plucked that statement right OUT OF THE CONTEXT, and then ran with it like you did.

let's take a look at that statement within it's context...

"Just because you do not have the Holy Spirit does not mean that you are not saved.
Obviously there is always the hope of salvation for all of us: Pentecostal, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox and others"


Now let's see you address that statement within it's context. Why do YOU think there is NO SALVATION for the Pentecostal, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox and others, PennEd?


God bless!
Talk about failure to understand what was said..I think you need to reread what was posted my friend.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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being baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirt is invalid -“according to them,” even though Jesus Christ clearly stated to do so in Matthew 28:19.

I just noticed this part and was just wondering if mailmandan also considers the part that says "teaching them to obey EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU.. " which I think is the right thing to do instead of rejecting parts of scripture that is against ones doctrine.

NIV1984 1 Corinthians 14:36-40
Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

I am not a Pentecostal but I believe in the gifts of the Spirit in the body of Christ. (1 Corinthians ch 12)

Are we supposed to OBEY EVERYTHING the Lord COMMANDED us to do if we really received the Holy Spirit that will lead us into all TRUTH and will empower and enable us to do them? Just asking.
Lets put it this way.

If we can not sin after we are saved. We do not need to be TAUGHT how to obey.

Since we have to be TAUGHT how to obey, it means we must have the ability not to.


So if one is using this to prove sinless perfectionism of all saints, they are missapplying this passage.
 

notuptome

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Jud 1:20 But you, dear friends, must continue to build your most holy faith for your own benefit. Furthermore, continue to pray in the Holy Spirit.


Prayer language is what Jude is speaking about. No interpreter needed. One can continually pray in the Spirit.

The gift of tongues is equal to prophecy; is a message to the body of believers and of course needs interpretation.
Jude is not speaking about praying in tongues. Jude is far above that in his teaching of praying in the Holy Spirit. Jude is speaking of the fervent effectual prayer that issues from a heart that is greatly moved with urgency and compassion. Jude is speaking of the prayer that we can only groan because of our great distress.

You invent and fabricate ideas that are not in scripture. Learn what is really there and rejoice in Gods moving in the affairs of men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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This internet rubbish and slander has been posted previously in this thread.
The denigration of good Pentecostal churches by a reprobate backslider.
Why am I not surprised that a fellow backslider would find these false accusations against the saints oh so delicious.
Such nasty rubbish. I see no evidence of the fruit of the Holy Spirit in what you post. Repent. The accuser of the brethren is already sealed unto his fate.

Psalm 2:1 ¶ Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And we already know who you are.

"No deceiver would ever teach obedience to God and no true Christian would ever teach DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD."

NIV1984 Jude 1:4
For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

NIV1984 Titus 1:16
They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
Another untruthful deceiver

Dc does nto teach disobedience to God. Quite the opposite!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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To His disciples He says..

Luk 24:49 I am sending to you what my Father promised, so stay here in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."
That does not say everyone spoke in tongues sis.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jud 1:20 But you, dear friends, must continue to build your most holy faith for your own benefit. Furthermore, continue to pray in the Holy Spirit.


Prayer language is what Jude is speaking about. No interpreter needed. One can continually pray in the Spirit.

The gift of tongues is equal to prophecy; is a message to the body of believers and of course needs interpretation.
It does not say pray on tongues.

It means pray not out of self. But in the spirit. Just like jesus said, anything you pray IN MY WILL. You will recieve. It means to pray out of a giving spirit filled heart. Not out of a selfish heart.