BORN AGAIN?

Angela53510 · May 25, 2013

"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1

This is the true meaning of hope. That we have faith in God. Faith saves us. Faith comes the grace of God that he gives us to believe in Christ as Lord and Saviour.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9 [/SUP]not a result of works, so that no one may boast" Eph. 2:8-9

kardiaoangelous · May 25, 2013

Angela53510 said:

That is the truth.

We learn far more by having to patiently endure in the hope for these things than we would by letting our flesh rush the work of God's spirit.

That chameleon is in us all as he seeks to capitalize on the sin our flesh has become accustomed to. It takes time to get that chameleon out of us which is why we must resist the devil that he will flee from us.

When we rush into believing we are saved as in completely already, all we do is hide that chameleon in us from ourselves through self-deception. And if that is not bad enough, then we teach others how to be good at doing the same thing.

We are not any of so very different from each other. There is not reason ever why we ought to hate and feud. We all battle that flesh which changes it's colors attempting to escape our notice, and the master of all chameleons only too willingly pitches in with a bit of help from his spirit of error in the air of this world.

Only by fully learning to understand these designs can we equip ourselves to stay focused on the Holy Spirit or even to recognize that Holy Spirit.

Thank you for you valuable observation.

Graybeard · May 25, 2013

crossnote said:

why would it not be water as Jesus says in the verse you posted below......(in bold)

crossnote said:

kardiaoangelous · May 25, 2013

Graybeard said:

Because sin is a flaw in man's spirit which literal water does nothing to correct.

The mechanics of sin are a spirit separated from God's spirit so that the lusts of our flesh become more powerful than our spirit.

Thus we find that Paul often speaks of the interference of our flesh as being a carnal mind: Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are [centered] in the flesh cannot please God.

There what is the solution? Ephesians 4:23 "And be renewed in the spirit of your mind.."

Colossians 3:10 "And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:"

Philippians 2:5 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus.." 1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ [to instruct us]."

John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

Ephesians 5:26 "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,"

1 Corinthians 3:6 "I have planted [the word], Apollos watered [the word with more of God's word]; but God gave the increase."

There is your born again process described right there by Paul at 1 Cor 3:6. The spirit is on God's word as we saw above.

If you yet have questions please ask. there is no shame in having to yet learn and grow by learning. It is common to us all.

God bless.

nathan3 · May 25, 2013

well to be born again is a mistranslation. It should have said, '' born from above'. Meaning, you come from before God to be born here to accept Christ and do God's will . so on. Use a simple Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to see . It just shows me people will act before they thing or take some ones word for something without checking them out . And that is dangerous .

John 3:3

English -Again:

Greek manuscripts -

anwqen
anothen
an'-o-then

from anw - ano 507; from above; by analogy, from the first; by implication, anew:--from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.

Why are the majority so easily lead off a cliff. I just hope for the sake of the Bible teachers and preachers out there that they are doing it only in ignorance and not on purpose .

Christ said you have to be born from above through the water of the womb. and that is how its done.... Opposite of that would be how the fallen angels did it: Instead of being born from above, they simple left heaven and took women to wife instead. ( Jude, Gen 6, ).

kardiaoangelous · May 25, 2013

nathan3 said:

well to be born again is a mistranslation. It should have said, '' born from above'. Meaning, you come from before God to be born here to accept Christ and do God's will . so on. Use a simple Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to see . It just shows me people will act before they thing or take some ones word for something without checking them out . And that is dangerous .

John 3:3

English -Again:

Greek manuscripts -

anwqen
anothen
an'-o-then

from anw - ano 507; from above; by analogy, from the first; by implication, anew:--from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.

Why are the majority so easily lead off a cliff. I just hope for the sake of the Bible teachers and preachers out there that they are doing it only in ignorance and not on purpose .

Christ said you have to be born from above through the water of the womb. and that is how its done.... Opposite of that would be how the fallen angels did it: Instead of being born from above, they simple left heaven and took women to wife instead. ( Jude, Gen 6, ).

Thank you very much. I did not know that. I had figured it out strictly by all said related to it and never took time to look the actual word up.

nathan3 · May 25, 2013

kardiaoangelous said:

well if it helped out cool... Here is one that i like-

Jeremiah 1:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

have a good day

kardiaoangelous · May 25, 2013

nathan3 said:

Ah!!! But the catch there is that is speaking specifically of Jesus being formed in Mary's womb.

The prophet greater than Moses:

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Yes indeed: have a good day

nathan3 · May 25, 2013

kardiaoangelous said:

Ah!!! But the catch there is that is speaking specifically of Jesus being formed in Mary's womb.

The prophet greater than Moses:

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Yes indeed: have a good day

Of course Christ was sent. But I thought He was talking to and about Jeremiah. I'll look into it some time.

kardiaoangelous · May 25, 2013

nathan3 said:

No way, that was Jeremiah speaking and prophesying under the inspiration of God concerning Jesus.

kardiaoangelous · May 25, 2013

Let me just add one thing about that prophetic foreshadow which was played out under the inspiration of God there using Jeremiah as a child in the womb of the fleshly Jerusalem.

Please ask me about that when you get around to it.

I don't want to get ahead of you but I already know, nathan3, what your confusion will be and why.

fleshly Jerusalem's womb as a comparison to the fleshly womb of Mary.

Cobus · May 25, 2013

Wall this is what God showed me about born again....BORN AGAIN, I also thought I was born again, then I realized I am NOT! If Born agian of water and Spirit is the same as BORN OF GOD, then I am not born again.

Let us first see about WATER AND SPIRIT.... Jesus said... If a person is not born of WATER and SPIRIT he cannot enter into God’s Kingdom... The Water Jesus talks about here, IS NOT H₂O. Look at the water Jesus talks about... It is the same WATER Jesus referred too when he spoke to the woman that gave him water.... If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Both the water and the Spirit is the gift of GOD! Jesus also said... He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
This is the water we should be born from. If you do a Bible study you would realise this WATER is the TRUTH, also the WORD OF GOD. And any person BORN OF GOD, CANNOT SIN... they do not try not to sin, they CANNOT SIN.
WALL, read these two verses.... 1 John 3:9, and 1 John 5:18... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.....
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.....

Wall it is good you read the Bible, there you shall discover the Truth and the Truth shall make you free... even free from all false teachings... Like IF WE ACCEPT JESUS.... show me ONE verse where one person accepted Jesus.... No person EVER chose God, God chose them.

Or like people say.... GIVE MY HEART to Jesus... Another lie, no one in the Bible did... God says the opposite... God says HE WILL TAKE THE STONY HEART... Read it in Ezekiel... A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

My friend there are MANY false teachings and sayings out there... The Truth is the Word of God, know that and they CANNOT fool you...May God give you BORN OF GOD. And me also Amen! I have hope that is why I am being purified, EVEN AS HE IS PURE. 1 John 3.
Here is excellent reading for you to FULLY understand rebirth/Born Again/Born of God.... Read John 17, the whole chapter, and 1 John the whole book. You will not have any doubts about BORN OF GOD again.

kardiaoangelous · May 25, 2013

Cobus said:

I commend your commend as closely adhering to the spirit upon the word in the most crucial of ways. Well spoken.

I would, though, merely lovingly nudge you in that knowledge in but a couple of small places.

One of those places is not wrong but would benefit by a bit more explanation: 1 John 3:9, and 1 John 5:18... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God..... [as in born of God by that seed.]

John there has the same thought as James does here: James 1:25 "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."

Being not a forgetful hearer, that implanted seed of God's word which contains the spirit of life, protects such a man so that he continues therein and cannot sin.

Paul is here sowing that word of life and Apollos is watering it but it is the power of the spirit in that word which God then uses to make it grow, if we are not a forgetful hearer: 1 Corinthians 3:6 "I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase."

And as to what you said at the end as to us not giving our hearts to God, that is true in the sense that we did not know how to do so until God loved us first, thus showing us the way through love and the increased knowledge of that love through his word, so that we became able to deliver our hearts to him.

His exceedingly great love dissolved our stony hearts for us that once our hearts softened we could render our heart to him in the deepness of our gratitude and the love which his loving us born in us toward him.

Graybeard · May 26, 2013

If Being born of water and of The Spirit does not refer to baptizing, then why did Jesus command His Disciples to baptize?

Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

and also why was Jesus baptizing with water!!

Joh 3:22 After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He remained with them and baptized.
Joh 3:23 Now John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there. And they came and were baptized.
Joh 3:25 Then there arose a dispute between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purification.
Joh 3:26 And they came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!"

kardiaoangelous · May 26, 2013

Graybeard said:

There are actually two parts to your question. For one, John's baptism was only to those under the Old Law Covenant and was about repentance for sins specifically by those lost sheep of the house of Israel while abiding under that covenant or contract with God. Therefore, as John said, John 3:30 "He must increase, but I must decrease." And as Jesus said, Matthew 11:13-14 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come." So all you need do is look to see what Elias was supposed to do when he came.

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time [since John and John's baptism] the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

We can discuss more on that later if need be.

Mat 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

There is no requirement that baptism be specifically by water. It can be and is spoken of in the scriptures as being by blood, by fire, by Holy Spirit, and by the spoken word of God causing one to become submersed into faith or belief. That last one is in fact why and how Jesus' baptism was reborn after John's baptism ended. It developed as an open public expression of that faith which one had already become fully submersed into by the word of God and God's spirit upon His word.

And indeed that last one is what Matthew 28:19 is saying, as the Greek word for "in" is there the Greek preposition "eis", which undeniably means "into", showing that it was faith in God's name and the Son's name and the Holy Spirit's name that they were being baptized "into".

SparkleEyes · May 26, 2013

follower2 said:

No, baptism has little to do with being born again. Baptism is an outward symbol of your life as a believer of Christ. It is not necessary to be baptized to get into heaven. Being born again, however, is. In case a reader doesn't know, if one has accepted Christ into their life; accepted Christ as their personal savior; acknowledging that Jesus died for our sins, they are born again.

That's my story and I am sticking to it! (It's my story because it is in the Bible and not because I want to believe it.)

kardiaoangelous · May 26, 2013

That is: And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come." So all you need do is look to see what Elias was supposed to do when he came. Remembering that all that happened under that Law was a shadow of greater things to come, Elias himself used a foreshadow of the person of Jesus but acted as the final part of that Old Law Covenant by John.

crossnote · May 26, 2013

Graybeard said:

Gray,
I understand there are different takes on...

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.(Joh 3:5)
I take it He is comparing the natural birth (water) with the birth of the Spirit, mainly because of the next verse...
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (Joh 3:6)

If baptism in water is necessary for the rebirth you might ask yourself why Paul put off baptizing many as in...

I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
(1Co 1:14)

and if for the same why did God not send Paul to baptize?...

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
(1Co 1:17)

The reason is that it is through the preaching of the cross people receive the Spirit...

This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
(Gal 3:2)

and...

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
(1Co 1:18)

Hope that helps.

4enlightment · May 26, 2013

Graybeard said:

We must demostrate ourselves in the flesh as Jesus has done; which He's spirit but He must show us how the flesh must behave. Since the laws that were made for the flesh has been fulfill and which also means that we aren't going to be judge by our flesh, but we will be judge by what's in our heart which is the spiritual soul. There's another book which tell us where the earth has came from and which it was from water, but this book shouldn't be read by people that doesn't understand the books that we are reading today. So water represent the birth of the earth andbaptizing with water is the symbolic gesture which that we had came from. But we must let our bodies to go through sufferring( by washing of the Blood) to strengthen (clean) our spirit.

1 Corinthians 3:13their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.

Matthew 4:7Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

1 Thessalonians 2:4On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.

Luke 22:31“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat.

1 peter
17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil. 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.

Graybeard · May 26, 2013

kardiaoangelous said:

There are actually two parts to your question. For one, John's baptism was only to those under the Old Law Covenant and was about repentance for sins specifically by those lost sheep of the house of Israel while abiding under that covenant or contract with God. Therefore, as John said, John 3:30 "He must increase, but I must decrease." And as Jesus said, Matthew 11:13-14 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come." So all you need do is look to see what Elias was supposed to do when he came.

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time [since John and John's baptism] the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

We can discuss more on that later if need be.

Mat 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"

There is no requirement that baptism be specifically by water. It can be and is spoken of in the scriptures as being by blood, by fire, by Holy Spirit, and by the spoken word of God causing one to become submersed into faith or belief. That last one is in fact why and how Jesus' baptism was reborn after John's baptism ended. It developed as an open public expression of that faith which one had already become fully submersed into by the word of God and God's spirit upon His word.

And indeed that last one is what Matthew 28:19 is saying, as the Greek word for "in" is there the Greek preposition "eis", which undeniably means "into", showing that it was faith in God's name and the Son's name and the Holy Spirit's name that they were being baptized "into".

we can go round in circles, the Scriptures I posted are plain and simple, water baptism was what was being said, no way round it, read them again. Jesus was baptizing with water, He commanded His disciples to baptize with water, He was baptized with water.....it is written clearly.

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