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If you're "straight" and you believe being gay is a choice, then you must think that you, personally, can chose to be attracted to the same gender. Which, as a straight woman, baffles me. Imagining being with a woman is kinda gross. Not that I care if two women get together, it doesn't bother me at all, but I definitely won't join in. That said if you consider yourself a straight man or woman who thinks that gay people chose to be attracted to the same sex, you must be somewhat attracted to the same sex yourself. Because again, as a straight woman I think being with a girl would just be unpleasant, just like how my lesbian friend things being with a man would be unpleasant.
M
Here's my thoughts on the subject (now that I've consumed an entire pot of coffee and my brain is functioning somewhat)-
The Bible is very clear on the topic of homosexuality; God says it is an abomination. Nowhere does it call blindness, or deafness, or being born with only one arm, or mental handicaps, an abomination (wait, it doesn't right? More coffee!!).
Based on that alone, it makes zero sense to me that God would create a tiny child who is, at birth, gay.
I do think that each and every person is born with their very own unique set of traits (duh, right?) and therefore, also with their very own unique set of weaknesses, things they are likely to be tempted by as they grow up.
For instance, some people's downfall is alcohol. Personally, that doesn't tempt me in the slightest. However, I have a really hard time saying no to cake...cookies...ice cream. I know a lot of people who don't understand why that's hard for me; they just aren't tempted by deliciousness, I guess.
Also, they're skinnier than I am.
Anyway, I wasn't BORN a sugar-fiend. I didn't come out of the womb demanding doughnuts. I didn't much care one way or another about sweets until I was older. At some point in my childhood, I was exposed to baked goods, and had I not had my mother to tell me "no more", I probably would have eaten nothing but cake. Now, I fight the temptation to gorge on sweet foods, because hey, remember gluttony? Yeah, bad stuff.
My point is, that particular weakness, that temptation, was triggered for me in my childhood. And instead of saying "No thanks", I said "More please!"
But it doesn't mean that people are born as gluttons, or gay, or alcoholics, or murderers, or adulterers. At some point, they are presented with a choice to become that way; to give in to the temptation, or not.
...I hope all that made the kind of sense I intended it to.
The Bible is very clear on the topic of homosexuality; God says it is an abomination. Nowhere does it call blindness, or deafness, or being born with only one arm, or mental handicaps, an abomination (wait, it doesn't right? More coffee!!).
Based on that alone, it makes zero sense to me that God would create a tiny child who is, at birth, gay.
I do think that each and every person is born with their very own unique set of traits (duh, right?) and therefore, also with their very own unique set of weaknesses, things they are likely to be tempted by as they grow up.
For instance, some people's downfall is alcohol. Personally, that doesn't tempt me in the slightest. However, I have a really hard time saying no to cake...cookies...ice cream. I know a lot of people who don't understand why that's hard for me; they just aren't tempted by deliciousness, I guess.
Also, they're skinnier than I am.
Anyway, I wasn't BORN a sugar-fiend. I didn't come out of the womb demanding doughnuts. I didn't much care one way or another about sweets until I was older. At some point in my childhood, I was exposed to baked goods, and had I not had my mother to tell me "no more", I probably would have eaten nothing but cake. Now, I fight the temptation to gorge on sweet foods, because hey, remember gluttony? Yeah, bad stuff.
My point is, that particular weakness, that temptation, was triggered for me in my childhood. And instead of saying "No thanks", I said "More please!"
But it doesn't mean that people are born as gluttons, or gay, or alcoholics, or murderers, or adulterers. At some point, they are presented with a choice to become that way; to give in to the temptation, or not.
...I hope all that made the kind of sense I intended it to.
B
What bothers me is the fact that being gay is lumped in with "gluttons [...], or alcoholics, or murderers, or adulterers". How is being gay anything like those things? Gluttony is harming your body by eating too much. Murderers hurt others. Adulterers (I mean those who cheat) hurt those close to them. Being gay just means they'd rather marry or be with the same sex as opposed to the other sex. What's harmful about that? Nothing! Nothing at all!
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Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic:
http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
Sorry Nautilus, you can't invoke science as empirical proof you are "born that way". You'll have to find some other way to justify your "lifestyle" choices. Or, better yet, make better choices.
http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
Sorry Nautilus, you can't invoke science as empirical proof you are "born that way". You'll have to find some other way to justify your "lifestyle" choices. Or, better yet, make better choices.
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Some people don't really care about all the "arguments" revolving around homosexuality an just prefer to believe the word of God. Pretty much everyone who doesn't believe the word of God is arguing for nothing... since it isn't going to change the word of God... and if you don't believe... the word of God won't change YOU.
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But why is this "word of god" so controversial The bible mentions plenty of things that most Christians ignore (shellfish, skin of a pig, mix fabrics etc.). Homosexuality is mentioned one time, and Jesus doesn't even say anything about it. If it was so important wouldn't he at least mention it? And wouldn't be bible be clearer about it? It seems like this is just the hot-button issue of the decade and soon gay marriage is going to be legal all over America and plenty of the world and future generations won't think twice about it. For now, though, people spend way more energy on this issue than on things that actually matter.
A
I believe babies don't have either sexual preference. I believe it develops during puberty and can be corrupted if the child is sexually abused.
I don't remember thinking about people that way until I started consider wanting to have a family and God didn't make it so you could create little babies with people of the same gender.
even now I still think people are obsessed over sex in general. its all about what makes their bodies feel good and not about God's plan for family.
God made some people to be eunuchs and be celibate for their whole life. some people don't like that idea either.
I don't remember thinking about people that way until I started consider wanting to have a family and God didn't make it so you could create little babies with people of the same gender.
even now I still think people are obsessed over sex in general. its all about what makes their bodies feel good and not about God's plan for family.
God made some people to be eunuchs and be celibate for their whole life. some people don't like that idea either.
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wow your joking right?
Rom 1:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, [SUP]25 [/SUP]who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
or how about this?
1 cor 6: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, noreffeminate, nor homosexuals,
This is a nt saying.. and you say we are just making things up?? and it is just an OT thing??
Rom 1:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, [SUP]25 [/SUP]who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
or how about this?
1 cor 6: [SUP]9 [/SUP]Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, noreffeminate, nor homosexuals,
This is a nt saying.. and you say we are just making things up?? and it is just an OT thing??
B
Again, there are plenty of things mentioned other than homosexuality which we just ignore. Why is this getting so much attention? Is this really more critical an issue than starvation and disease? If as much energy was going towards solving world hunger as it is going towards fighting homosexuals, think of all we could accomplish!
Yet miscarriages are allowed?
And if you're going to quote Bible verses don't forget this one:
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood[shall be] upon them.
And if you're going to quote Bible verses don't forget this one:
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood[shall be] upon them.
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