Burial or cremation

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Interesting discussion. I need to know more about this too. What I have questioned is the practice of embalming. In most funeral homes they practice the Babylonian tradition of draining all the blood to slow decay. For the sake of "Showing" i guess. If the "life is in the blood" and they drain it out and pump it into the sewer!.... Well, If I am to be buried I want to be buried with the blood left where it is. Here in Tennessee it is legal to leave the blood in the body, and it is legal to bury family on your own property if certain criteria are met; accessible lot, maintained lit, certain size lot, etc.

I will be looking into the details on this. Thanks
 
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Apparently only the wicked rot, the righteous are preserved.
Check out
Leviticus 26:39
Proverbs 10:7

We have an inner man...our soul and our skeleton
2 Corinthians 4:16

Elishas bones were special...

2 Kings 13:21
Greetings Lanolin,

Well, there may be something to this. Have you looked into this for any real life confirmation? Like the people preserved in bogs etc..
 

Lanolin

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Greetings Lanolin,

Well, there may be something to this. Have you looked into this for any real life confirmation? Like the people preserved in bogs etc..
What I do know is Jesus tells us to be salt and light. He did say those who lose their saltiness are fit for nothing but to be thrown out. Salt is a preservative...

People preserved in bogs..I know the process of natural decomposition is faster in aerobic conditions. If its anerobic thats when things turn toxic. Gardeners know this when they make compost. Bones do rot in acid conditions.

Carbon sequestron occurs when carbon is heated to a high temp but not combusted. This process is called pyrolisis and is done in an inert atmaophere without introducing oxygen. The resulting carbon is preserved forever and adds fertility to the soil. Combustion does not the components are vapourzed and oxidised and only adds smoke and air pollution. Current cremation methods are combustion type.

To me it would be the difference between undergoing baptism of the holy spirit by fire where believers are not singed, but transformed to that of perishing in hellfire where the smoke rises forever and ever.

Natural burial would be preferable to current burial methods ie embalming, where bodies are drained and pumped with chemicals to look good before the coffin is closed.
 
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Throw me over the wall with a sharp stick in my hand.
 
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Burial is biblical, cremation is a pagan practice. Christians are generally not being taught about this important matter.
I would agree, there is no doubt cremation is a pagan practice when one looks at the historical roots.

God condemned the unnecessary burning of bodies, especially for child sacrifice; but He also condemned the Moabites for cremating the king of Edom.
(Proof: Lev 18:21; Deut 12:29-31; 18:10; II Kgs 16:3; Jer 7:29-34; Ezek 23:37; Amos 2:1).

"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen."
Jeremiah 10:2
 

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I read in hindu nations like India, there are some christians too. They bury their dead because that is what they believe is the right thing to do in Gods eyes. They differ from the hindus around them who always burn their dead. The hindus get mad at the christians for burial practices and even will go dig up the bodies sometimes to burn them again.

Go ask someone on the indian christian forum here about it. Why do hindus burn their dead. They believe in reincarnation. Not resurrection. To be reincarnated, your body needs to be destoryed so you can come back as something else. You could be a rat or worm or a butterfly or pig. Or someone with a totally different personality. You woukdnt be you, i.e your soul because your soul is burned up into a million pieces.

So I would challenge christian believers on this forum to figure out what God meant by the resurrection. Do you really believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead in his own body to be glorified and he appeared to the disciples who could touch him and know it was him, or was he just a ghost?
 

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Interesting discussion. I need to know more about this too. What I have questioned is the practice of embalming. In most funeral homes they practice the Babylonian tradition of draining all the blood to slow decay. For the sake of "Showing" i guess. If the "life is in the blood" and they drain it out and pump it into the sewer!.... Well, If I am to be buried I want to be buried with the blood left where it is. Here in Tennessee it is legal to leave the blood in the body, and it is legal to bury family on your own property if certain criteria are met; accessible lot, maintained lit, certain size lot, etc.

I will be looking into the details on this. Thanks

Blood will also degrade and be no good. Your life will be gone, to heaven. It will no longer be in your blood.. lol
 

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So I would challenge christian believers on this forum to figure out what God meant by the resurrection.
Sadly, too many preachers fail to teach these truths in depth -- and from Scripture -- so that absolutely no Christian would even consider cremation.
 

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Sadly, too many preachers fail to teach these truths in depth -- and from Scripture -- so that absolutely no Christian would even consider cremation.
This implies that those who choose cremation (or those whose bodies were destroyed by fire) will not inherit eternal life.

That raises a lot of questions regarding the means by which we are saved. Either we are saved by faith in the person and finished work of Jesus Christ, or by our own works and choices, including the disposition of our physical bodies after death.

Nope, the Bible does not teach burial. It mentions burial. There is a massive difference.

Aside from those few who are changed in an instant at the end, every single human body that is not destroyed by fire (or chemicals) and is not fossilized, is destroyed by biological decomposition. That means that God needs to create new, incorruptible bodies, not made from the same "stuff". That in turn means that what happens to our bodies is irrelevant.
 

Dino246

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I would agree, there is no doubt cremation is a pagan practice when one looks at the historical roots.

God condemned the unnecessary burning of bodies, especially for child sacrifice; but He also condemned the Moabites for cremating the king of Edom.
(Proof: Lev 18:21; Deut 12:29-31; 18:10; II Kgs 16:3; Jer 7:29-34; Ezek 23:37; Amos 2:1).

"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen."
Jeremiah 10:2
Every single one of those references, with the exception of Amos, addresses idol worship by sacrificing living persons by fire. It has nothing to do with cremation.

The Amos reference does not have enough context to provide instruction.

Unfortunately, this subject is another example of doctrine from narrative. Such and such happened, therefore it's supposedly God's will that we do such and such.

No, that's not what the text teaches.
 

Nehemiah6

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This implies that those who choose cremation (or those whose bodies were destroyed by fire) will not inherit eternal life
It implies no such thing. God knows who had received the gift of eternal life, and it remains a gift of God's grace.
 

Lanolin

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Dont ministers who preside at funerals then go and watch people being cremated.
I was so shocked to learn that one of my colleagues was being cremated, like they dont even tell you what happens after, I had always though that people got buried and my first funeral when they just took the body away and didnt even say where it was going. I was like what? So disrespectful I felt, but more shocked when it happned to a church member.
And whats the point of having an elaborate coffin and dressing the body if is just going to be burned up. They also remove all jewellery and valuable articles because they dont want to burn THOSE up, but its ok to burn a human body? As if the body is of no value at all.

Anyway. Just sad that ministers are actually compromising the gospel by supporting cremations. Those people are not sleeping or resting in peace, in the resurrection, they going to be pretty angry cos they got no bodies to go into. Ok if this person was an unbeliever, they dont even care, but believers should not share the fate of the wicked only made to be destroyed.

Thats why Im not keen on funerals anymore if theres going to be cremations. Cant bear to watch people being burned.
 

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[for me anyway] we may give our body to be burned, but if we had not charity, then it is nothing.
 

JaumeJ

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At many Christian presided funerals the word "ashes to ashes dust to dust" are recited. I believe this demonstrates a history of cremation and/or burials. I believe embalming is a barbarity, but that is my thinking.
 
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Burial is biblical, cremation is a pagan practice. Christians are generally not being taught about this important matter.
On the surface, a number of Bible passages may seem to indicate that cremation was the lot of some who died in God’s disfavor. For instance, the Mosaic Law stated that if the daughter of one of Jehovah’s priests should become a prostitute, she was to be “burned in the fire” after being executed. (Leviticus 20:10; 21:9) Likewise, when the disobedience of Achan and his family resulted in Israel’s defeat at Ai, their fellow countrymen pelted them with stones and then “burned them with fire.” (Joshua 7:25) Some scholars have suggested that this was the treatment accorded those who died in disgrace and that cremation deprived evildoers of what was considered a decent burial.

Further, when King Josiah attempted to cleanse Judah of idolatry, he broke open the burial places of the priests who had sacrificed to Baal and burned their bones upon their altars. (2 Chronicles 34:4, 5) Do such examples indicate that God’s disapproval rests upon those whose remains are cremated? No, as shown by another Bible account.

When the Philistines defeated King Saul of Israel in battle, they irreverently fastened his dead body, as well as the bodies of his three sons, to the city wall at Beth-shan. However, the Israelite inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead, on hearing of this disrespectful treatment of the bodies, removed them and burned them, after which they buried the bones. (1 Samuel 31:2, 8-13) At first sight this account may seem to confirm the negative connotation of cremation. After all, Saul too was wicked; he fought against David, Jehovah’s anointed, and died in divine disfavor.

Yet, notice who died alongside Saul. One of his sons, whose body received identical treatment, was Jonathan. Jonathan was David’s close friend and ally. Of Jonathan, the Israelites recognized: “It was with God that he worked.” (1 Samuel 14:45) When David learned of the actions of the men of Jabesh-gilead, he praised and thanked them for what they had done: “Blessed may you be of Jehovah, because you exercised this loving-kindness toward your lord, toward Saul.” Evidently, the burning of Saul’s and Jonathan’s corpses did not disturb David.—2 Samuel 2:4-6.

Thus, it is fair to assume that biblically, cremation would not create any obstacle to resurrection.
 

Nehemiah6

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Thus, it is fair to assume that biblically, cremation would not create any obstacle to resurrection.
Christians need not go to these questionable portions in the OT to determine their beliefs. The NT gives us a clear understanding, particularly with the resurrection of Christ, and the symbolic burial of every believer in believer's baptism by immersion. Ever since Stephen was martyred and buried, Christians have made it a point to bury their dead. And even Western unbelievers made sure that anyone who died was buried with respect.
 

Lanolin

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On the surface, a number of Bible passages may seem to indicate that cremation was the lot of some who died in God’s disfavor. For instance, the Mosaic Law stated that if the daughter of one of Jehovah’s priests should become a prostitute, she was to be “burned in the fire” after being executed. (Leviticus 20:10; 21:9) Likewise, when the disobedience of Achan and his family resulted in Israel’s defeat at Ai, their fellow countrymen pelted them with stones and then “burned them with fire.” (Joshua 7:25) Some scholars have suggested that this was the treatment accorded those who died in disgrace and that cremation deprived evildoers of what was considered a decent burial.

Further, when King Josiah attempted to cleanse Judah of idolatry, he broke open the burial places of the priests who had sacrificed to Baal and burned their bones upon their altars. (2 Chronicles 34:4, 5) Do such examples indicate that God’s disapproval rests upon those whose remains are cremated? No, as shown by another Bible account.

When the Philistines defeated King Saul of Israel in battle, they irreverently fastened his dead body, as well as the bodies of his three sons, to the city wall at Beth-shan. However, the Israelite inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead, on hearing of this disrespectful treatment of the bodies, removed them and burned them, after which they buried the bones. (1 Samuel 31:2, 8-13) At first sight this account may seem to confirm the negative connotation of cremation. After all, Saul too was wicked; he fought against David, Jehovah’s anointed, and died in divine disfavor.

Yet, notice who died alongside Saul. One of his sons, whose body received identical treatment, was Jonathan. Jonathan was David’s close friend and ally. Of Jonathan, the Israelites recognized: “It was with God that he worked.” (1 Samuel 14:45) When David learned of the actions of the men of Jabesh-gilead, he praised and thanked them for what they had done: “Blessed may you be of Jehovah, because you exercised this loving-kindness toward your lord, toward Saul.” Evidently, the burning of Saul’s and Jonathan’s corpses did not disturb David.—2 Samuel 2:4-6.

Thus, it is fair to assume that biblically, cremation would not create any obstacle to resurrection.
I think one shouldnt be hasty to make assumptions like that becuse in. The new testament book of acts chapter 2 they said of David that he is dead and buried and his sepulchre is with us to his day but they quote that he believed in the resurrection because God wont abandon his soul to hell and would not let his body see decay. But God did not let david ascend to heaven, it was Jesus who did this for all mankind.

Its all there in acts 2:24-36

Note, it does not say anything about Saul or Jonathan, and they arent mentioned in the heroes of faith in chapter 11 of Hebrew.

Another is looking at 2 samuel 21 what the Gibeonites asked of David to do with the bones of Saul and his men, even his descendants which he put to death. Except for mephibosheth.
Sauls widow Rizpah protected their bodies from being eaten by vultures. Interesting it was only till after the bones had been buried, in Sauls fathers tomb in the land of Benjamin that God answered prayers for their land. Note before they had them moved, David buried them under a tree.

I dont think its endorsing any cremation, cremation these days people dont even bother burying the ashes, they just chuck them anywhere. Sometimes the wind blows them away and they get all over people, or the vaccuum cleaner sucks them up. Ive heard of that happening, as well as people eating ashes.
 

Lanolin

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At many Christian presided funerals the word "ashes to ashes dust to dust" are recited. I believe this demonstrates a history of cremation and/or burials. I believe embalming is a barbarity, but that is my thinking.
Thats not even from the Bible. People think its biblical, but the ashes to ashes part is not.
 
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Come on folks, do we not have the reality of what happens to a dead body in the ground to know that God does not need this flesh to resurrect a person. The flesh rots, what ever isn't eaten by vermin, and becomes dirt. Even the bones become dust. How many Godly men were buried in the ground with out a modern coffin or embalming? How many died at sea?
How many destroyed in natural disasters and their corps not recoverable?
You blaspheme God to say that; the one who made everything from nothing cannot recover a man for resurrection from even the most broadly scattered ashes. God breathed life into one man and all men receive their mortal life from that single breath; but he can't recover you from dust and Ash? Foolishness!
 

JaumeJ

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Thats not even from the Bible. People think its biblical, but the ashes to ashes part is not.
My point is it is a typically harmless tradition ofman. Our Father's Arm is not shortened that He cannot save nor redeem, not by anyone or anything. Faith tells all this is so, not just those words. God bless you always.