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If you don't go out in that joy, risk it all (whatever it may be) and follow because of why he has done, are you walking after Jesus like a disciple?
To be someones disciple you need to follow them in their example and teachings.
The bible says to count the cost if you are going to be a believer.

Just because some people wanted more butts in seats and decided to build a bigger comfier boat then the one Jesus provided does not mean we get sit in a comfy seat and still be His.
This other Gospel where you don't need to count any cost or pay any price of take up any cross or actually become righteous using what Christ has provided to you for that purpose IMO is the source of the many who will fall away from the faith in the last days.
Be happy to come out with you.
 

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If you don't go out in that joy, risk it all (whatever it may be) and follow because of why he has done, are you walking after Jesus like a disciple?
To be someones disciple you need to follow them in their example and teachings.
The bible says to count the cost if you are going to be a believer.

Just because some people wanted more butts in seats and decided to build a bigger comfier boat then the one Jesus provided does not mean we get sit in a comfy seat and still be His.
This other Gospel where you don't need to count any cost or pay any price of take up any cross or actually become righteous using what Christ has provided to you for that purpose IMO is the source of the many who will fall away from the faith in the last days.
Its one thing to respond because what Jesus has done by saving us , but its quite another thing to try save ourselves after ...Jesus has already saved us ..
 

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Make your calling and election sure. - 2 Peter 1
Its your fault if you don't.
Because He gave you everything you need. - 2 Peter 1
Called to do what ? elected to do what ? Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
 

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Called to do what ? elected to do what ? Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
So its not saying make sure your saved .
 

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Make your calling and election sure. - 2 Peter 1
Its your fault if you don't.
Because He gave you everything you need. - 2 Peter 1
Salvation is not Jesus died to give us all we need to save ourselves . Is that what your saying?
 

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Oh, get off the gas man. What if a cow did jump over the moon?
Salvation by works has created the worst form of license to sin.
Yeah, man I do all the stuff and things, so what if I'm a self-righteous, bitter, hateful, greedy, abusive, monster.
Salvation is by grace alone, receiving this grace plants compassion, and mercy in a person, so that when you see some thirsty soul you give them water. You're mistaking the production of fruit with working. I find it to be no work at all to give food or water to some one who needs it, or to help someone struggling with something.
My brother,
Can you answer James question?

James 2

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
 
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Its one thing to respond because what Jesus has done by saving us , but its quite another thing to try save ourselves after ...Jesus has already saved us ..
alread explain this.

Step one deal with judgment - Gods work
Step two deal with the spiritual death - Jesus became a life giving spirit
Step three work out that salvation with fear and trembling. - Our part

We lay hold of that which Christ laid hold of us for form
He gave us everything we need in regards to life and godliness. It was all free.
You just need to believe.
Believe and take hold of it all.
Don't leave a bit of salvation on your plate.
A crumb and a sip and a sad face it the approach these days.
But it is a love feast of joy in the salvation of Christ Jesus Lord.
Eat it all up.
 

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alread explain this.

Step one deal with judgment - Gods work
Step two deal with the spiritual death - Jesus became a life giving spirit
Step three work out that salvation with fear and trembling. - Our part

We lay hold of that which Christ laid hold of us for form
He gave us everything we need in regards to life and godliness. It was all free.
You just need to believe.
Believe and take hold of it all.
Don't leave a bit of salvation on your plate.
A crumb and a sip and a sad face it the approach these days.
But it is a love feast of joy in the salvation of Christ Jesus Lord.
Eat it all up.
I believe that .. We are saved completely and without any possibility of forfeiting our salvation. That I believe.
 
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why call me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? - Luke 6:46

His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who called us by His owna glory and excellence. 4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. 8For if you possess these qualities and continue to grow in them, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever lacks these traits is nearsighted to the point of blindness, having forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.

10Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a lavish reception into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. - 2 Peter 1:3-10

We always carry around in our body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body. 11For we who are alive are always consigned to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our mortal body. - 2 Cor 4:10-11

How shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? Heb 2:3 - written to Jewish believers.
A believer can neglect salvation and if so you will not escape (escape what?)

because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification - 2 Thes 2:13
Going through or working out, is the second step in the work of salvation and yes through your faith and your works of faith
The scripture is clear it is part of the process of saving you,


You are saved past tense (from the wrath of God against you for your transgressions has been satisfied and the curse of sin that being spiritual death and separation from God has been reversed in a very dramatic way)
You are being saved present tense (by the working out of your salvation through sanctification, this is all about what you will become, this is also your part in it and in the lives of others)
You will be saved Future tense (when presented as a bride sanctified entirely lacking in nothing no spot or blemish so that you may be preserved complete through sanctification at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ)

If you say you are saved you mean the first part the work of the cross death and new life addressing the consequences of your sin.
If you say you are being saved you mean the second part the work of sanctification addressing the nature/desires/motives of sin in that rule your heart. (the filth on the inside of the cup)
When you say you will be saved (which no one seems to do any more), you are looking with all your hope fixed on His return and being glorified with Him.


Prior to putting you faith in the salvation work of God and the salvation work of Christ Jesus (Spirit included)
you would be working under law.
After you do put your faith in him and receive from God the power to become the children of God.
Then you are working our your salvation in faith through the multiplied grace and peace we now have in the knowledge of God.
 
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I believe that .. We are saved completely and without any possibility of forfeiting our salvation. That I believe.
Then you reading another book.
In the last days many will fall away from the faith.
Then don't fall away from un faith but from faith.

Once having tasted of the power of the kingdom to come and then fallen away is it impossible to restore such a one to repentance since the crucify the Son of God afresh and bring his to open shame.
They once had repented and believed but now they tasted of the power of Gods things and still fell knowing full well.
There is no longer any ignorance to say forgive them they do not know, no longer any place for faith in what they did not already know.
there fallen state is more like Satan's who knew full well who God was.

OR the Apostle himself saying that he might be disqualified.

for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 17 Since you call on a Father who judges each one’s work impartially, live your lives in reverent fear during your temporary stay on earth. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers -1 Peter 1:17-18

No brother OSAS is not biblical, it is just another cushy seat on a Gospel boat somebody other then Jesus built.
 
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So do you think as well that the Great Commission and everything else that Jesus said to the disciples was only for them, and should not be applied to believers today?
You do not believe that when Jesus returned, you will be on one of the 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel correct? (Matthew 19:28)
 
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I didn't say that none of the book is to us or for us did I? I said not ALL OF THE BIBLE IS TO US Who is James writing to ?
Many people are not able to distinguish the difference between, books written FOR us and books written TO us.
 
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My brother,
Can you answer James question?

James 2

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
I did. In the post you quoted.
 
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Many people are not able to distinguish the difference between, books written FOR us and books written TO us.
Because God does not tell us to do such a thing.

Let God be true, but every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning (Romans 15:4).

If we are to learn from what is written it is in fact written to us.
 
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Wasn't Peter saved before he was killed ?
If you read what Peter wrote to Israel in 1 Peter, none of them are saved at the present time when they believe Jesus is their Messiah.

They are only saved when they endure the fiery trial at the end, 1 Peter 4 says it clearly

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.


14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
 
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Because God does not tell us to do such a thing.

Let God be true, but every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning (Romans 15:4).

If we are to learn from what is written it is in fact written to us.
But the verse you chose to quote to me already stated" written FOR our learning", so ironically it did :)

Did you miss the for?
 
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No one who heard this picked up their cross , they all fled and walked away . This is not a requirement for today.
They did no such thing AFTER they understood and believed the resurrection.

This is absolutely a requirement for today.
 

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Eph 2.5
5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
when were we quickened ? After all we are told the order in the previous chapter . Eph 1 13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
We were quickened before we were sealed. Being sealed is the earnest (down payment) of our inheritance of eternal life.

Being sealed (God puts his seal of approval) on our inheritance, much like a king putting his seal on his documents of importance. No matter how hard you try to give the natural man the ability to believe in the things of the Spirit, you will never make that thought to be in harmony with the other scriptures.
 
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They did no such thing AFTER they understood and believed the resurrection.

This is absolutely a requirement for today.
But Romans 4:5 says otherwise, you understand what "worketh not" means right?