Calvinism vs. Arminianism?
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I did nothing for my salvation
my salvation is only through God's Son and His blood shed for me
furthermore, God counted Abraham's faith as righteousness
does Calvin have a formula for that too? that uniform is fitting better and better
I did nothing for my salvation
my salvation is only through God's Son and His blood shed for me
furthermore, God counted Abraham's faith as righteousness
does Calvin have a formula for that too? that uniform is fitting better and better
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excuse me, but how utterly absurd to state that I came to Christ but I did not believe until after I was saved
I know better. I was there for that occasion and that was not the order of events.
what I see Calvinists doing here, is avoiding a direct response to what a poster states and implying said poster is either in ignorance or does not have a saving knowledge of scripture or any other shade of red herring that seems convenient at the time
that would include you
your response to my post, that I did not actually address to you but that's fine, is a non sequitur.
I am not interested in discussing with you why you think you are right. discussing what the Bible actually states does not seem to be in the interest of a person defending the 5 points
are we going to hear from you how Enoch never heard of the 5 points and yet was translated?
or how Noah was chosen as righteous before God without someone saying 'have you heard about TULIP?
you know, I don't think we will. thinking outside the box is too dangerous when it has more truth than some beliefs allow
I know better. I was there for that occasion and that was not the order of events.
what I see Calvinists doing here, is avoiding a direct response to what a poster states and implying said poster is either in ignorance or does not have a saving knowledge of scripture or any other shade of red herring that seems convenient at the time
that would include you
your response to my post, that I did not actually address to you but that's fine, is a non sequitur.
I am not interested in discussing with you why you think you are right. discussing what the Bible actually states does not seem to be in the interest of a person defending the 5 points
are we going to hear from you how Enoch never heard of the 5 points and yet was translated?
or how Noah was chosen as righteous before God without someone saying 'have you heard about TULIP?
you know, I don't think we will. thinking outside the box is too dangerous when it has more truth than some beliefs allow
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I did nothing for my salvation
my salvation is only through God's Son and His blood shed for me
furthermore, God counted Abraham's faith as righteousness
does Calvin have a formula for that too? that uniform is fitting better and better
I did nothing for my salvation
my salvation is only through God's Son and His blood shed for me
furthermore, God counted Abraham's faith as righteousness
does Calvin have a formula for that too? that uniform is fitting better and better
I never claimed that the Father 'gave' Him all mankind. Jesus died for all mankind. Will all mankind be saved? No. Because they don't want to. That does not LIMIT the invitation.
Now as to the Father, He is not willing that any should perish . . . in other words, it is not His sovereign will that any should perish. He would love to see all saved, but His foreknowledge showed Him that they will not.
Now as to the Father, He is not willing that any should perish . . . in other words, it is not His sovereign will that any should perish. He would love to see all saved, but His foreknowledge showed Him that they will not.
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I was 5 years old and I can tell you exactly the events and what I thought and how I questioned God and how He immediately showed me He is real and I asked Jesus to be my Savior
after that, I was saved and I told everyone, at the age of 5, in my circle, of what had happened
just like that. it was real then. it is real now. absurd to state we believe after we are saved
we are allowed to engage our brains...in fact it is encouraged in scripture...scripture makes sense. it satisfies the brain...the heart...everything
God is real and He will really answer all questions asked in sincerity. no we won't know everything in this life, but God will finish what He began in us and that is what matters
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would you like my resume?
again you just avoid what I actually stated. doesn't that ever make you uncomfortable that you just parrot what you have been taught?
I don't think you know what you are up against. the Holy Spirit will never agree with TULIP and neither do I
you don't have a convert here
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I am sorry that you take offense. I am not trying to be vindictive, but am only giving reference to the harmony of the scriptures. The scriptures tell me that I should always be ready to give an answer to anyone that ask of the hope that is in me. We are all born into this world by our natural birth as totally depraved of any spiritual nature. We, at that point, cannot discern spiritual things to believe in them ( 1 Cor 2:14) until God regenerated us and put his Holy Spirit within us, then we were able to discern spiritual things, such as believing, accepting, confessing, repenting etc. (Eph 2, especially in verse 5. We do not even have spiritual faith until we have the Spirit because faith is a fruit of that Holy Spirit. Please do not be upset with me because the scriptures say so.
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I am neither offended nor do I think you are vindictive
just led astray like all Calvinists and using the usual defense mechanisms and incapable of actual discourse apart from what Calvinism allows you to discuss
listen...you opted to engage me...by responding to a post I made in June
before you say I am attacking you, which is usually next when someone keeps backing up, I'll disengage
and use the ignore option cause I just know you will say something so outrageous that I will choose to refute you
exercising my free will...over and out
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I did nothing for my salvation
my salvation is only through God's Son and His blood shed for me
furthermore, God counted Abraham's faith as righteousness
does Calvin have a formula for that too? that uniform is fitting better and better
I did nothing for my salvation
my salvation is only through God's Son and His blood shed for me
furthermore, God counted Abraham's faith as righteousness
does Calvin have a formula for that too? that uniform is fitting better and better
Such contradictions are only in words.
Christ's death is enough for whole the universe to be saved, because He is God and the passion of God has eternal and undending impact, because God is without end.
On the other hand, this act of God has special effect only in those who believe, so, from one point of view, one can say that God paid for the elect.
Its just about the point of view, there is no real problem with the limited atonement, when properly put.
Christ's death is enough for whole the universe to be saved, because He is God and the passion of God has eternal and undending impact, because God is without end.
On the other hand, this act of God has special effect only in those who believe, so, from one point of view, one can say that God paid for the elect.
Its just about the point of view, there is no real problem with the limited atonement, when properly put.
Here is my testimony of how I got saved:
I got saved one day, I was walking to the store to buy some beef jerky. I didnt know I was saved then, but then a week later I started to believe in Jesus, you know, AFTER i was already saved. I figured I might as well believe that now that im saved. (Even though I didnt know I was saved).
Good stuff hey.
Remind me again: WHY does anyone believe in calvinism?
You heard it here first people, you can be SAVED before you believe. and then belief is just 'evidence' of you being saved. UNBELIEVABLE STUFF
I got saved one day, I was walking to the store to buy some beef jerky. I didnt know I was saved then, but then a week later I started to believe in Jesus, you know, AFTER i was already saved. I figured I might as well believe that now that im saved. (Even though I didnt know I was saved).
Good stuff hey.
Remind me again: WHY does anyone believe in calvinism?
You heard it here first people, you can be SAVED before you believe. and then belief is just 'evidence' of you being saved. UNBELIEVABLE STUFF