Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

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dcontroversal

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EleventhHour said:
You are not following your own Reformed Theology now.

Grace is extended to only some, those that God has pre-selected.

In your dogma if you present it accurately it is....

Jane Smith is deliberately foreordained to commit sin.
Is hated by God
Is predestined to hell because God withholds His Grace, salvation is intentionally out of reach for her.
Is deliberately excluded from the atoning sacrifice of Jesus
Jane Smith will be judged by a god and sent to hell because he favored someone else over her
This is a god who essentially goes against his own commandments where believers are called to love those he hates?

Tell me do not see a problem here?
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And do not forget....The same god who made little miss Smith for hell decided that one thief on the cross out of two got lucky even though both were murderous thieves being crucified by the ROMANS......
 
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EleventhHour said:
You are not following your own Reformed Theology now.

Grace is extended to only some, those that God has pre-selected.

In your dogma if you present it accurately it is....

Jane Smith is deliberately foreordained to commit sin.
Is hated by God
Is predestined to hell because God withholds His Grace, salvation is intentionally out of reach for her.
Is deliberately excluded from the atoning sacrifice of Jesus
Jane Smith will be judged by a god and sent to hell because he favored someone else over her
This is a god who essentially goes against his own commandments where believers are called to love those he hates?

Tell me do not see a problem here?
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Yes, definitely a problem.....lol! :giggle:(y)

 
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Guojing said:
Yes atonement is limited to those who believe
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1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Yes, the atonement is applied to those who believe, but is available to the whole world.
 
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Guojing

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John146 said:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Yes, the atonement is applied to those who believe, but is available to the whole world.
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Wonder why is it so difficult to admit that all of us believe in some form of limited atonement.

We just don’t like that phrase because of its association with tulip is it? 🤗
 
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Guojing said:
Wonder why is it so difficult to admit that all of us believe in some form of limited atonement.

We just don’t like that phrase because of its association with tulip is it? 🤗
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According to TULIP, the atonement is not only limited, but not available to the whole world, just the frozen chosen.:)
 
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John146 said:
According to TULIP, the atonement is not only limited, but not available to the whole world, just the frozen chosen.:)
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True that might be.

The first step in having a cordial conversation is to acknowledge the similarity in our views, before we debate the differences 🤗
 
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Wow....Unbelievable....I guess, this how it works. They twist it around to try to get a little bit of wiggle room just trying to get others to agree with some small portion.

Guess, that's why they got that TULIP 5 point system. To try to twist the word of God around just like the serpent did, in hopes to get someone to believe one or two points...then maybe if they can sucker you into one thing, then they will move on to the next point until you are completely immersed into the cult.

Here is my thoughts on Tulip....

T - Totally

U - Unlike

L- the Lord

I - isn't it

P- People

He died for all and paid for the sins of the whole world. Atonement is available to all that will accept. It is offered to all. All means all...so let's not try to be deceptive just to hold up some heretics perverse theology.
 
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1ofthem said:
Wow....Unbelievable....I guess, this how it works. They twist it around to try to get a little bit of wiggle room just trying to get others to agree with some small portion.

Guess, that's why they got that TULIP 5 point system. To try to twist the word of God around just like the serpent did, in hopes to get someone to believe one or two points...then maybe if they can sucker you into one thing, then they will move on to the next point until you are completely immersed into the cult.

Here is my thoughts on Tulip....

T - Totally

U - Unlike

L- the Lord

I - isn't it

P- People

He died for all and paid for the sins of the whole world. Atonement is available to all that will accept. It is offered to all. All means all...so let's not try to be deceptive just to hold up some heretics perverse theology.
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Stick with the word and we won’t get suckered.😉
 
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1ofthem said:
Wow....Unbelievable....I guess, this how it works. They twist it around to try to get a little bit of wiggle room just trying to get others to agree with some small portion.

Guess, that's why they got that TULIP 5 point system. To try to twist the word of God around just like the serpent did, in hopes to get someone to believe one or two points...then maybe if they can sucker you into one thing, then they will move on to the next point until you are completely immersed into the cult.

Here is my thoughts on Tulip....

T - Totally

U - Unlike

L- the Lord

I - isn't it

P- People

He died for all and paid for the sins of the whole world. Atonement is available to all that will accept. It is offered to all. All means all...so let's not try to be deceptive just to hold up some heretics perverse theology.
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Amen!

What is also unbelievable is how when all the errors are pointed out over and over again Calvinites still defend the system.

Are they really concerned with Truth?

Jesus stated ...The Truth will set you free, Calvinites are in bondage to a system.
 
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Grandpa said:
Its only ridiculous to your philosophy of how you think you choose God and make Him save you.

These verses go directly against that thought.

So when you start trying to have a theology you have to keep these verses in mind. Otherwise you just go off the rails.
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Yes in your view ...... mankind is divided into two classes of people......... the worthy to be selected ... and the unworthy.

The Calvinists states ..........I am so humble I had no part in my salvation.. no receiving, no believing, yet I was worthy and important enough to be chosen over someone else??

Scripture states no one is worthy,
 
dcontroversal

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1ofthem said:
Wow....Unbelievable....I guess, this how it works. They twist it around to try to get a little bit of wiggle room just trying to get others to agree with some small portion.

Guess, that's why they got that TULIP 5 point system. To try to twist the word of God around just like the serpent did, in hopes to get someone to believe one or two points...then maybe if they can sucker you into one thing, then they will move on to the next point until you are completely immersed into the cult.

Here is my thoughts on Tulip....

T - Totally

U - Unlike

L- the Lord

I - isn't it

P- People

He died for all and paid for the sins of the whole world. Atonement is available to all that will accept. It is offered to all. All means all...so let's not try to be deceptive just to hold up some heretics perverse theology.
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100% agree!!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
yes, the dead are born dead in sin

thus until sin is resolved they can not be made alive.

your "private assumption" comment is just a strawman, Your in fact countering his believe with your own so called "private assumption"
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I would agree with you, but you must first show me how to sweep the 120 passages of scripture which speak of election under the carpet
 
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