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Just_Jo

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I don't care much for the wars of personal beliefs nor denominations...........
but when you start discrediting the Gospel of Jesus Christ which btw is from O.T to N.T. ESPECIALLY the gospels of Matthew,Mark,Luke and John,,THEN WE HAVE A BIG. PROBLEM THROUGH OUT ALL OF CHRISTENDOM!
 

Grandpa

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Hey bro, been hearing to day you believe you have to endure to the end to be saved is this true?
You have to?

If you are saved you will. Its part of the gift of Salvation. Perseverance of the Saints. We are given endurance. We are given perseverance.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You have to?

If you are saved you will. Its part of the gift of Salvation. Perseverance of the Saints. We are given endurance. We are given perseverance.
Even more than this we have been given justification, and eternal life

we could never stop sinning enough to earn salvation so how can we sin enough to unlearn it? Gods requirement is perfection, non of us can meet that requirement this we have nothing to endure, because we are 24/7 in need of grace,
 
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EleventhHour

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You have to?

If you are saved you will. Its part of the gift of Salvation. Perseverance of the Saints. We are given endurance. We are given perseverance.
Unless one has read John Calvin one may not know what John Calvin taught and what Calvinists' teach

John Piper when he writes, "Nevertheless, we must also own up to the fact that our final salvation is made contingent upon the subsequent obedience which comes from faith. The way these two truths fit together is that we are justified on the basis of our first act of faith because God sees in it (like he can see the tree in an acorn) the embryo of a life of faith. This is why those who do not lead a life of faith with its inevitable obedience simply bear witness to the fact that their first act of faith was not genuine."

John Piper and Pastoral Staff, What We Believe About the Five Points of Calvinism
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Unless one has read John Calvin one may not know what John Calvin taught and what Calvinists' teach

John Piper when he writes, "Nevertheless, we must also own up to the fact that our final salvation is made contingent upon the subsequent obedience which comes from faith. The way these two truths fit together is that we are justified on the basis of our first act of faith because God sees in it (like he can see the tree in an acorn) the embryo of a life of faith. This is why those who do not lead a life of faith with its inevitable obedience simply bear witness to the fact that their first act of faith was not genuine."

John Piper and Pastoral Staff, What We Believe About the Five Points of Calvinism
I already proved piper was not a calvinist, he believes people are regenerated by repenting which is a work.

again, you are blinded by your hate
 
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EleventhHour

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I already proved piper was not a calvinist, he believes people are regenerated by repenting which is a work.

again, you are blinded by your hate
Piper not a Calvinist you are funny :D
Hate... right .... how about defending what is true.

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They change their beliefs depending on the audience and who they hope to persuade and they are indeed a cult.
 

Grandpa

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Even more than this we have been given justification, and eternal life

we could never stop sinning enough to earn salvation so how can we sin enough to unlearn it? Gods requirement is perfection, non of us can meet that requirement this we have nothing to endure, because we are 24/7 in need of grace,
What we have to endure is the constant accusations that we are not working hard enough to earn our Salvation.

It is true. We are not. But there is not enough work we could do to earn Salvation. We are not Saved because of our work, anyway. We are saved because of Christs Work.
 

Grandpa

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Unless one has read John Calvin one may not know what John Calvin taught and what Calvinists' teach

John Piper when he writes, "Nevertheless, we must also own up to the fact that our final salvation is made contingent upon the subsequent obedience which comes from faith. The way these two truths fit together is that we are justified on the basis of our first act of faith because God sees in it (like he can see the tree in an acorn) the embryo of a life of faith. This is why those who do not lead a life of faith with its inevitable obedience simply bear witness to the fact that their first act of faith was not genuine."

John Piper and Pastoral Staff, What We Believe About the Five Points of Calvinism
Do I have to be a "Piperist" too?

Or can I just be a "Calvinist"?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What we have to endure is the constant accusations that we are not working hard enough to earn our Salvation.

It is true. We are not. But there is not enough work we could do to earn Salvation. We are not Saved because of our work, anyway. We are saved because of Christs Work.
Yeah sadly agree, nothing we could do to even cause one sin to be forgiven let alone the millions we have commited in our lifetimes

then we have to deal with the false accusations of what we really think. It’s like they think they can read our minds, it’s sad, and really quite draining
 
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EleventhHour

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Do I have to be a "Piperist" too?

Or can I just be a "Calvinist"?
Up to you. I prefer who abandon your faulty doctrine and read @dcontroversal responses to you.
I pray you will truly.

The doctrine you defend that you came to after conversion is incorrect.
You constrain your growth as a believer and I mean this sincerely, because of experience and by others I know who have left Reformed Churches.
 
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Do I have to be a "Piperist" too?

Or can I just be a "Calvinist"?
His own church statement of faith states they believe a man is regenerated because they repented so on.

maybe he changed his view? People have been known to do that
 

Grandpa

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Up to you. I prefer who abandon your faulty doctrine and read @dcontroversal responses to you.
I pray you will truly.

The doctrine you defend that you came to after conversion is incorrect.
You constrain your growth as a believer and I mean this sincerely, because of experience and by others I know who have left Reformed Churches.
Dcon hasn't said anything that would remotely cause me to change my mind about theology.

It would take scripture to do that. And not just someones opinion that a certain passage HAS TO mean a certain thing. I have opinions too so my opinion on those same scriptures would have to be overturned.


The doctrine I defend has come to me because I realized I was not A Biblical Genius. There was no way I could do all the things I did in just the precise order in order to be saved. And yet I found myself saved.

So I was not the cause of my Salvation. This was an epiphany. Have you ever had an epiphany? They are really cool. I think you would like it.

And that epiphany was followed by scripture backing it up. Check this one out;

1 Corinthians 1:26-29
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
 
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EleventhHour

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Dcon hasn't said anything that would remotely cause me to change my mind about theology.

It would take scripture to do that. And not just someones opinion that a certain passage HAS TO mean a certain thing. I have opinions too so my opinion on those same scriptures would have to be overturned.


The doctrine I defend has come to me because I realized I was not A Biblical Genius. There was no way I could do all the things I did in just the precise order in order to be saved. And yet I found myself saved.

So I was not the cause of my Salvation. This was an epiphany. Have you ever had an epiphany? They are really cool. I think you would like it.

And that epiphany was followed by scripture backing it up. Check this one out;

1 Corinthians 1:26-29
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Well then I will keep praying because I am sure there is nothing I can post, I think I have labored quite hard to show you the errors and have many others.

I guess I am just different, if all these people were trying to set me straight supplying good biblical reasoning I would surely be going back to scripture and ask God to show me His truth.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dcon hasn't said anything that would remotely cause me to change my mind about theology.

It would take scripture to do that. And not just someones opinion that a certain passage HAS TO mean a certain thing. I have opinions too so my opinion on those same scriptures would have to be overturned.


The doctrine I defend has come to me because I realized I was not A Biblical Genius. There was no way I could do all the things I did in just the precise order in order to be saved. And yet I found myself saved.

So I was not the cause of my Salvation. This was an epiphany. Have you ever had an epiphany? They are really cool. I think you would like it.

And that epiphany was followed by scripture backing it up. Check this one out;

1 Corinthians 1:26-29
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Just so you know bro, Dcon, Myself and many other like me think we di anything or has the power to anything to was required to save ourselves, in in fact it is the opposite, we could not do anything and confessed that, and as the tax collector got on our knees,

while I think I can understand why you believe this, to put that on us is not right because we have not done anything like you think we have done. Quite the opposite
 

ForestGreenCook

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do you enjoy being a billboard for Calvinists?

we do not all hate Christ before salvation. I was 5 years old and had never heard of God or anything to do with the Bible, yet when I did hear in Sunday School, I went home and thought about it and prayed and God clearly showed me He heard me and so I accepted Christ.

5 years old. I did not hate anything except bedtime and peas.
You evidently were already quickened by God some time before you were 5 years old.
Do you grasp in your mind the futility of trying to twist the scripture like you are doing to try and peddle Calvinistic dogma....?

That verse ALONE disputes the fraudulent tenant of Your religion that God only CHOSE man A for heaven, while man B thru Z cooks for eternity.....

GOD WOULD HAVE ALL OF THEM BE SAVED....not just a few followers of Calvin.....

Wake up man.....from front to back the bible drips CHOICE by man!
1 Tim 2:4 If, in your studies, you use a Greek concordance, you will find that "saved" means delivered. When a babe in Christ (already quickened, but has not grown to be mature in knowledge) comes unto a knowledge of the gospel they are delivered (saved) from their lack of knowledge. Saved in this verse does not have reference to eternal deliverance, but a deliverance that they receive as they sojourn in this world.

If you do not separate the difference in the salvation (deliverance) scriptures, you will not be able to harmonize all of the scriptures.

If God wanted all mankind to go to heaven, all mankind will go to heaven, because God accomplishes all of his will. Dan 4:35, And all of the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand (override God's will with man's free will) or say unto him, What doest thou?

In the matter of eternal deliverance, God does override the free will that he gave to man for choosing how he wants to live his life while he sojourns here on earth. Man's eternal deliverance is by God's sovereign grace, without any help from man.

Before you can understand the truth of the doctrine that Jesus taught, all of the scriptures must harmonize.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Nope
John 3 he died for the world
John 6 does not mention him dieing for anything do not add to the word of God
And what WORLD is that, is it the world that he told us NOT TO LOVE. Why would God tell us not to love the world that he so loves?

I do not call that "harmonizing the scriptures".

Are you affirming that John 6 is not referring to his death on the cross? Do you really want to falsely misinterpret that scripture?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And what WORLD is that, is it the world that he told us NOT TO LOVE. Why would God tell us not to love the world that he so loves?

I do not call that "harmonizing the scriptures".

Are you affirming that John 6 is not referring to his death on the cross? Do you really want to falsely misinterpret that scripture?
The world that he told us not to love was the system of godliness

that same world that is those who are in it, he loves

he loved you did he not

yet you were part of that world. So I guess god did not love you?

no place in John 6 did Jesus said he died for the world or died for anyone, john 6 is talking about receiving the gift. John 3 is who the gift is offered to,

context my friend don’t judge when you err yourself
 

Nehemiah6

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And what WORLD is that, is it the world that he told us NOT TO LOVE. Why would God tell us not to love the world that he so loves?
Because those are two applications of the same word, and must be taken in context.

John 3:17 -- the world of humanity. The human race. The inhabitants of the world. Christ came to save the world in this verse.

1 John 2:15 -- the attractions, philosophies, and systems of this godless world. These are opposed to God and Christ.
"worldly affairs; the aggregate of things earthly; the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments, riches, advantages, pleasures, etc., which, although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ" . Thayer's Greek Lexicon


FGC, you are ever learning and never able to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
 
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EleventhHour

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If he is not already one of God's sheep (the saved) he cannot hear God's voice (with the ability to discern it).
Oh I know the word world here is actually elect..... I just wonder why your god cannot get the words right?

Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you will see me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged (John 16:7-11)
 
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