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Matthew 11:28-30 is a command.
Matthew 11:28-30 is an invitation. Commanding people who are already weary and carrying heavy burdens is exactly what the Pharisees did to the people and Jesus severely chastised the Pharisees for doing so.
 
Isn't that the truth.


If you read the bible, from front to back, you will see all through it that there are those who believe, and those who don't. Those who are Gods People and those who are not.

Is God Sovereign in this matter? After thousands of years and the many generations of people in the bible can God not understand the nature of people who believe vs. those who don't?

And STILL continue to make both. Does the Potter have power over the clay?


I don't understand how a person can read the bible and come to the conclusion that all people are good and they can all be saved.

Romans 9:17-18
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.




Its not an issue of wanting or not wanting. It is just plain bible Truth. It is easy for a saved Christian who has read the bible a few times to understand the truth of Calvinism. Those who still wish for their "free will" to be god so they don't have to see the Truth of scripture are willfully blind and follow their blind guides. There are plenty of them out there.

Just the fact that there are saved people testifies to the Mercy and Love of God.
This post is very clear and instructive.
There is nothing else taught, but one consistent truth, God saves sinners in Christ.
 

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Eternal salvation by God's grace is not an offer to be accepted. It was God's will that Jesus would be a sacrifice for the sins of his elect (those that God gave him). The sacrifice was not offered to man for man's acceptance, but to God for God's acceptance.
Sorry, I don't agree. I hope that no one ever preaches any such thing to the lost because herein is one of the main dangers of this theology. It casts a stumbling block and doubt to the lost.

People need to hear the true Word of God the Gospel.

For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son so that whosoever believes in him should not perish. He wants all to come to repentance. He paid the sin debt for the whole world and wants all to be saved and as many as RECEIVED Him to them gave he the power to become the sons of God....This is the gospel and what needs to be preached.
 
Matthew 11:28-30 is a command.

It is the only solution for those drawn by God.
Yes indeed the work of The Spirit convicting of sin, along with the laws demands lead the weary sinner to Christ.
He commands all such persons to come unto Him.
No man can come UNLESS The Father draws him.
 
Sorry, I don't agree. I hope that no one ever preaches any such thing to the lost because herein is one of the main dangers of this theology. It casts a stumbling block and doubt to the lost.

People need to hear the true Word of God the Gospel.

For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son so that whosoever believes in him should not perish. He wants all to come to repentance. He paid the sin debt for the whole world and wants all to be saved and as many as RECEIVED Him to them gave he the power to become the sons of God....This is the gospel and what needs to be preached.
God does not grant repentance to all men.
All the sins of some men scattered worldwide are paid in full.
The others shall spend eternity paying for their sins, plural, as in Jn.8....you shall die in your sins.
Jn3:16 speaks of everyone believing.
 

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Yes indeed the work of The Spirit convicting of sin, along with the laws demands lead the weary sinner to Christ.
He commands all such persons to come unto Him.
No man can come UNLESS The Father draws him.
I agree with this, but I believe the Father draws all men.... Some accept, some reject. Just like in John 3....Some come to the light, but others will not least their deeds be reproved.

Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me. Also the Spirit and the Bride say come and let whosoever will come and take of the water of life freely.
 
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Yes indeed the work of The Spirit convicting of sin, along with the laws demands lead the weary sinner to Christ.
He commands all such persons to come unto Him.
No man can come UNLESS The Father draws him.
Where is it written that Jesus said,
“I command you to come to me”?

The rich young ruler was invited and said no. He said no to an invitation not a command.

If the rich young ruler was not given to Jesus by God then Jesus would not have wasted His time by specifically “commanding” the rich young ruler to be with Him in the first place.
 

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God does not grant repentance to all men.
All the sins of some men scattered worldwide are paid in full.
The others shall spend eternity paying for their sins, plural, as in Jn.8....you shall die in your sins.
Jn3:16 speaks of everyone believing.
Acts 17

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead
 

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Sorry, I don't agree. I hope that no one ever preaches any such thing to the lost because herein is one of the main dangers of this theology. It casts a stumbling block and doubt to the lost.

People need to hear the true Word of God the Gospel.

For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten Son so that whosoever believes in him should not perish. He wants all to come to repentance. He paid the sin debt for the whole world and wants all to be saved and as many as RECEIVED Him to them gave he the power to become the sons of God....This is the gospel and what needs to be preached.
The God that you worship, is not the God that is described in the scriptures. The God that I see, through the revelation of the scriptures, is an all powerful God that accomplishes his will. You say that your God wants to eternally save all mankind, but he can't because he will not usurp his authority over man's authority. Your God gives more authority to man, than the authority that God has over man.

Dan 4:35, And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and NONE can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Your God says that anyone can stay his hand.
 

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The God that you worship, is not the God that is described in the scriptures. The God that I see, through the revelation of the scriptures, is an all powerful God that accomplishes his will. You say that your God wants to eternally save all mankind, but he can't because he will not usurp his authority over man's authority. Your God gives more authority to man, than the authority that God has over man.

Dan 4:35, And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and NONE can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Your God says that anyone can stay his hand.
I really don't like what you are implying. The God that I worship is the one and the only true living God.

What I don't get is why people can't just stay in the simplicity that is in the Lord. Why would any want to add things to the Gospel the Word of God?

He said whosoever will believe shall not perish and whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved. This is the gospel and it is simple. No need to add to it or change around any words or context....There is nothing complicated about this so why try to change around words and meanings to complicate it and hold up some man's theology? Let's not hide the gospel, but preach the hope and salvation that is in Jesus Christ to all men everywhere so that whosoever believes and calls up on him shall be saved.
 

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I agree with this, but I believe the Father draws all men.... Some accept, some reject. Just like in John 3....Some come to the light, but others will not least their deeds be reproved.

Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me. Also the Spirit and the Bride say come and let whosoever will come and take of the water of life freely.
All of the men, that looked upon the serpent that Moses made and raised upon a pole for healing, were God's people who he had chastened with biting snakes for their disobedience. Today the same people (God's people) are the ones that ,look upon Christ"s raised body that was lifted up on the cross.
 
Where is it written that Jesus said,
“I command you to come to me”?

The rich young ruler was invited and said no. He said no to an invitation not a command.

If the rich young ruler was not given to Jesus by God then Jesus would not have wasted His time by specifically “commanding” the rich young ruler to be with Him in the first place.
Repent and believe the gospel is a command, not an option,peter in Acts2:31-39,
Paul in Acts17:31
 

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All of the men, that looked upon the serpent that Moses made and raised upon a pole for healing, were God's people who he had chastened with biting snakes for their disobedience. Today the same people (God's people) are the ones that ,look upon Christ"s raised body that was lifted up on the cross.
Once again, stay in the simplicity that is in the Lord Jesus Christ. Let's stay in the scripture and preach the Gospel. When God says whosoever, any, all, all men, the whole world etc...let's just leave it at that and not add some man's theology to it.... Simple as that...
 

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I really don't like what you are implying. The God that I worship is the one and the only true living God.

What I don't get is why people can't just stay in the simplicity that is in the Lord. Why would any want to add things to the Gospel the Word of God?

He said whosoever will believe shall not perish and whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved. This is the gospel and it is simple. No need to add to it or change around any words or context....There is nothing complicated about this so why try to change around words and meanings to complicate it and hold up some man's theology? Let's not hide the gospel, but preach the hope and salvation that is in Jesus Christ to all men everywhere so that whosoever believes and calls up on him shall be saved.
I hope that you would agree that all of the scriptures must harmonize with each other before anyone can understand the truths that are contained in the scriptures. That being said, What is your explanation of Dan 4:35?

Can the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, hear and understand the things of the Spirit, as he thinks them to be foolishness, because he cannot discern them? Does not a person have to hear and understand spiritual things before he can believe spiritual things?

Can only God's sheep hear his voice John 10:27.? Is the reason that they can hear a spiritual God, is because they have been quickened from a non-spiritual life to a new spiritual life , and now they can discern spiritual things, Eph 2.?
 

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Once again, stay in the simplicity that is in the Lord Jesus Christ. Let's stay in the scripture and preach the Gospel. When God says whosoever, any, all, all men, the whole world etc...let's just leave it at that and not add some man's theology to it.... Simple as that...
It is kind of hard for me to leave it at that, when there are other scriptures that contradicts your interpretations of those scriptures.

I would hope that you would not want to disregard some scriptures, just because they contradict your interpretation of other scriptures.

I try to include all of the scriptures, and compare them to see if they harmonize with each other.

I used to have scriptures that, seemingly, contradicted each other, and it troubled me very much, realising that they should all harmonize. I spent 12 years of diligent study, thinking that I was smart enough to figure it out, with the help of a Greek concordance. After 12 years, I gave up and thought that I would have to spend the rest of my life without understanding the scriptures. I learned very soon, that if I had denied my entelect at the beginning of my studies , the Holy Spirit within me would have revealed some truths to me much sooner. I presume that he knew that if he had revealed earlier, I would have taken credit myself, instead of giving God the credit.
 
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Repent and believe the gospel is a command, not an option,peter in Acts2:31-39,
Paul in Acts17:31
Acts 2:38 ~ “Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

That’s not a command, it’s a proclamation. Same goes for Acts 17:31.
 

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I really don't like what you are implying. The God that I worship is the one and the only true living God.

What I don't get is why people can't just stay in the simplicity that is in the Lord. Why would any want to add things to the Gospel the Word of God?

He said whosoever will believe shall not perish and whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved. This is the gospel and it is simple. No need to add to it or change around any words or context....There is nothing complicated about this so why try to change around words and meanings to complicate it and hold up some man's theology? Let's not hide the gospel, but preach the hope and salvation that is in Jesus Christ to all men everywhere so that whosoever believes and calls up on him shall be saved.
But He says so much more than just that. You can't just take this one thought as if it's the only thing He says about the matter. It's not.
 
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