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Sounds simple to me. Some people love the darkness and will not come to the light so that their deeds will not be reproved.

They choose to remain in darkness rather than come to the light and believe and be converted. Well I will say rather than trusting and putting their faith in Jesus, they choose to go their own way and stay in darkness so that their evil deeds will not be reproved. They can come to the light or stay in darkness, but they choose the darkness.
 

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Sounds simple to me. Some people love the darkness and will not come to the light so that their deeds will not be reproved.

They choose to remain in darkness rather than come to the light and believe and be converted. Well I will say rather than trusting and putting their faith in Jesus, they choose to go their own way and stay in darkness so that their evil deeds will not be reproved. They can come to the light or stay in darkness, but they choose the darkness.
What is the main difference between those who choose to stay in darkness and those who choose the light?

The bible says it is not because what is in them that is the cause of them coming to the light.

1 Corinthians 1:26-28
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
 

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What is the main difference between those who choose to stay in darkness and those who choose the light?

The bible says it is not because what is in them that is the cause of them coming to the light.

1 Corinthians 1:26-28
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
What did Jesus Say on the matter?

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

John 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

For the cause of Christ
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2 Corinthians4:6

For God ,who said, " Let light shine out of darkness," made His Light shine in our hearts to give us the light of knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
 

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John 1
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
 

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All that still holds true with the other scriptures....He was/is the true light and as many as receive him and believe upon him shall be saved.

Still sounds pretty simple...Those that receive him come to the light and accept the light and are saved. Those that don't receive him choose not to come to the light and are not saved. yet it is their own choice to receive him (the light) or not.
 
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Matthew 18:3

…2Jesus invited a little child to stand among them. 3“Truly I tell you,” He said,“unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.…
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“Truly
Ἀμὴν (Amēn)
Hebrew Word
Strong's Greek 281: Of Hebrew origin; properly, firm, i.e. trustworthy; adverbially, surely.

I tell
λέγω (legō)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 1st Person Singular
Strong's Greek 3004: (a) I say, speak; I mean, mention, tell, (b) I call, name, especially in the pass., (c) I tell, command.

you,”
ὑμῖν (hymin)
Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Dative 2nd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 4771: You. The person pronoun of the second person singular; thou.

He said,
εἶπεν (eipen)
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2036: Answer, bid, bring word, command. A primary verb; to speak or say.

“unless
ἐὰν (ean)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 1437: If. From ei and an; a conditional particle; in case that, provided, etc.

you change
στραφῆτε (straphēte)
Verb - Aorist Subjunctive Passive - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 4762: Strengthened from the base of trope; to twist, i.e. Turn quite around or reverse.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 2532: And, even, also, namely.

become
γένησθε (genēsthe)
Verb - Aorist Subjunctive Middle - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 1096: A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be, i.e. to become, used with great latitude.

like
ὡς (hōs)
Adverb
Strong's Greek 5613: Probably adverb of comparative from hos; which how, i.e. In that manner.

little children,
παιδία (paidia)
Noun - Nominative Neuter Plural
Strong's Greek 3813: Neuter diminutive of pais; a childling, i.e., an infant, or a half-grown boy or girl; figuratively, an immature Christian.

you will never enter
εἰσέλθητε (eiselthēte)
Verb - Aorist Subjunctive Active - 2nd Person Plural
Strong's Greek 1525: To go in, come in, enter. From eis and erchomai; to enter.

the
τὴν (tēn)
Article - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

kingdom
βασιλείαν (basileian)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 932: From basileus; properly, royalty, i.e. rule, or a realm.

of
τῶν (tōn)
Article - Genitive Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

heaven.
οὐρανῶν (ouranōn)
Noun - Genitive Masculine Plural
Strong's Greek 3772: Perhaps from the same as oros; the sky; by extension, heaven; by implication, happiness, power, eternity; specially, the Gospel.


Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

(3) Except ye be converted.--The English word expresses the force of the Greek, but the "conversion" spoken of was not used in the definite, half-technical sense of later religious experiences. What was needed was that they should "turn" from their self-seeking ambition, and regain, in this respect, the relative blamelessness of children.
Ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.--The force of the words as spoken to the Twelve can hardly be exaggerated. They were disputing about precedence in the kingdom, and in that very dispute they were showing that they were not truly in it. It was essentially spiritual, and its first condition was abnegation of self. Even the chief of the Apostles was self-excluded when he gloried in his primacy. The words at least help us to understand the more mysterious language of John 3:3; John 3:5, as to the "new birth" of water and the Spirit, which one, at least, of the disputants must, in all likelihood, have heard.

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 3. - Except ye be convertedστραφῆτε); i.e. turned from proud, ambitious thoughts of worldly dignity. There is no question here about what is popularly known as conversion - the change from habitual sin to holiness. The conversion here spoken of is confined to a change in the present state of mind - to a new direction given to the thoughts and wishes. The apostles had shown rivalry, jealousy, ambition: they must turn away from such failings, and learn a different lesson. Become as little children. Christ points to little children as the model to which the members of his kingdom must assimilate themselves. The special attributes of children which he would recommend are humility, unworldliness, simplicity, teachableness, - the direct contraries of self-seeking, worldliness, distrust, conceit. Ye shall not enter. In the sermon on the mount Christ had said, "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:3). To all who are not such the gate opens not. That virtue which was unknown to pagan antiquity, the opposite character to which was upholden as the acme of excellence, Christ here asserts to be the only passport to his ideal Church on earth or its eternal development in heaven. Not the self-esteeming, proud man (μεγαλόψυχος) of Aristotle's worship ('Eth. Nic.,' 4:3), but the humble (ταπεινὸς), the lowly, the self-depreciating, is the man who can realize his position in the spiritual world, and shall be admitted to its blessings and benefits. St. Paul has summarized the ideal character of the members of the kingdom in 1 Corinthians 13, especially vers. 4, 5, and 7.

Matthew 18:3 Commentaries
I hope you heed Jesus’ words you have shared as well as those in Matthew 7:1-15.
 
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Matthew 18:3

…2Jesus invited a little child to stand among them. 3“Truly I tell you,” He said,“unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.…

Those commentaries read like works conversion to me.

What was needed was that they should "turn" from their self-seeking ambition, and regain, in this respect, the relative blamelessness of children.
One thing for sure a child does not have anything to unlearn, they are humble ... they can hear the Gospel ... whereas those that have taken in a false dogma well .... they should really heed this verse.

A false dogma that has to change the plain meaning of words in many places in scripture.

Isn't that cults do? :unsure:
 
I often wonder why God testified to my spirit like he did,it was such a huge revelation......yet when I speak to others who apparently are saved,they don’t have that fire for the Lord...do you know why that is?

Can you explain why he chose the elect?...or point me to your posts,if you have already explained....
God has elected a multitude of sinners in His Son for the good pleasure of His will.
Deut7:6-11 explains it was not that the people were special,but God has set His Covenant love on those individuals He has elected.
Jer.31:3 speaks of the everlasting love also seen in 2tim1;9
 
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God has elected a multitude of sinners in His Son for the good pleasure of His will.
Deut7:6-11 explains it was not that the people were special,but God has set His Covenant love on those individuals He has elected.
Jer.31:3 speaks of the everlasting love also seen in 2tim1;9

AMEN!
 
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God has elected a multitude of sinners in His Son for the good pleasure of His will.
Deut7:6-11 explains it was not that the people were special,but God has set His Covenant love on those individuals He has elected.
Jer.31:3 speaks of the everlasting love also seen in 2tim1;9
If God choose you and left others with no choice, in fact denied salvation, then yes you are special.
 
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One can hope, but highly unlikely....Pharisees already know it all.....!!
Agree, highly unlikely when people are "specially chosen"

God has elected a multitude of sinners in His Son for the good pleasure of His will.
I guess their "god" also delights in denying salvation to the other multitude ... it does not even seem to bother them... that is the part I do not get, they go on and defend and boast about being selected.
 

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If God choose you and left others with no choice, in fact denied salvation, then yes you are special.
Indeed, and there is really no other way to view that. This would say that God was choosing to save or regenerate people based on some type of personal merit they possess. Sounds like that would give them a reason to boast. God chose me over my friend because I'm special and my friend is not.

This type of ideology is in complete conflict with the scriptures.
 
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God did not give us a postcard, but 66 books.
Paul in 1 cor15:1-4 twice explains the gospel according to the scriptures plural.
We are meant to study all the books all the teaching, not make bumper stickers, or memes be our daily bread.
Studying Scripture is indeed beneficial but salvation comes through having faith in Christ, hence why I don’t get bogged down with man’s theology. We are to keep our eyes focussed on Christ. That’s Scripture.
 
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The Holy Spirit knows what he is talking about,he is the Master Teacher and he has well warned me to stay away from you,Nenimah,eleventhhour,Dusky....
God doesn’t like His Name being misused as you have done. I suggest you repent and apologize to Him. That’s sound advice.
 
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How could it POSSIBLY be a logical fallacy in light of ALL the scripture?

The only logical fallacy happening here is applying your definition of words to ALL words.


John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

How can this scripture be true if ALL men receive the gift of Righteousness and Justification and Eternal Life? It can't be true.
Believe, not appointed.
Choice, baby! Choice. 😎
 
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Why is it sad?

I will never deny the truth to make you happy.

God chose me I had no choice and yes when he testified to my spirit that he was the Holy Spirit,he filled my spirit with so much of His Love,which has never left me by the way.

I felt Honoured,privelaged,and more important than the Queen and yes He makes me feel special,He has also showed me a vision of what is to come,which is coming to pass as I type,fitting all in like a jigsaw.

If you find that hard to swallow or believe..makes no difference to me.....what God gives,no man can destroy or take away,but many have tried and failed miserably.

What I experienced doesn’t make me any better than anyone else..but I will never deny my testimony...not in a million yrs.

All the Glory Goes To God!...
 

1ofthem

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Agree, highly unlikely when people are "specially chosen"



I guess their "god" also delights in denying salvation to the other multitude ... it does not even seem to bother them... that is the part I do not get, they go on and defend and boast about being selected.
Agreed and I stand in doubt of any with such an attitude. That type of attitude is not from God.
 
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God doesn’t like His Name being misused as you have done. I suggest you repent and apologize to Him. That’s sound advice.

The Holy Spirit warns his people who to stay away from....if I don’t heed his warnings,which I have done in the past...then I will suffer the consequences as I have done.
I now heed his warnings,..you can believe what ever you like.

If anyone needs to apologise and repent....it is you .
 
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