Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot

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lenna said:
I agree with this.

However, Calvinists teach that God specifically created some for eternal damnation. That might be the major stumbling point of Calvinism. James White, a well known Calvinist expositor and author, explains this view and calls it 'Unconditional Election a Necessity'. BUT he supplies this view NOT from scripture, but from the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith. HUH?

He also quotes from a number of leading Calvinists, such as James P. Boyce. Again, not a biblical source.

The view expressed is that God deliberately creates human beings to join the devil and his angels in the lake of fire. Scripture states no such thing and in fact God declares the lake of fire was NOT created for humans, but sadly those who reject Him will find themselves in that place.

To really illustrate the delusion that God has taken delight in creating 'human logs' as it were, Boyce states that God choose to save only a few BECAUSE it pleases Him to do this.

BUT God says in His word that He takes NO DELIGHT IN THE WICKED PERISHING!

"Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked," declares the Lord GOD, "rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
Ezekiel 18:23


Study Calvinism before deciding this is the view you choose. You are the one choosing. And make no mistake. YOU are choosing.
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No matter how much you point out all the flaws, support with the scriptures with sound exegesis, use sound reasoning and

judgement as you have stated... it has all the earmarks of cultic thinking..... it may appeal to the mind/intelligence but leaves the

heart cold.... sadly I might add.
 
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lenna said:
Now this is what I object to. This is what comes out when certain people here think they have the upper hand.

What is sad, is you are judging the hearts of other Christians. You have no business stating that those who are not Calvinists have hostility towards God. Hostility towards Calvinism (which is not really Calvinism at all as has been shown) you betcha! However, that seems to equate or create equality between that doctrine and God and that is approaching something blasphemous. No doctrine IS God and people disagree and have disagreed for centuries.

I am neither Calvinist or Armenian but I have never read of nor heard any person of any flavor of Christianity (and God having much patience knows there are many) say they were somehow not at enmity with God prior to accepting Christ.



No. Sadly that is just you being a billboard for the intolerance, cruelty and injustice certain hyper Calvinists seem to adhere to. This intolerance is born not of a desire to defend the gospel, but rather a smug and self righteous spirit which seems to actually go along with traits one can find in the character of one Mr Calvin if said individual is represented with correct historical reference, but we just need to look at your post and not go digging for more evidence of the spirit of hyper Calvinism.

You misrepresent both the gospel and Christians here. I don't care what you say or teach, but when you start trying to assassinate the characters of others and vilify people who have a genuine love for their Savior, you put yourself in another category.
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This is such an accurate post it needs to be re-posted again and again and again and again...
 
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NOV25 said:
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Lol!!!!!!!

"But salvation still 100 percent God though."

"He saw I'd choose him so based on what I did he decided to save me. That's what grace is, saving me for no reason at all nor of anything I've done, totally unmerited favor...WAIT! NEVERMIND!!!!!"
 
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lenna said:
I can't believe others do not see it and fall for the 'innocent' questions. Everything is geared to draw attention and please just leave your gifts on the altar of my ego.

smh it's not funny. I am not laughing.
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She’s passive-aggressive with two side orders of aggressive-aggressive. Reminds me of Christine Ford talking before the Senate judicial hearings in her itsy-bitsy baby voice.
 
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preacher4truth said:
Lol!!!!!!!

"But salvation still 100 percent God though."

"He saw I'd choose him so based on what I did he decided to save me. That's what grace is, saving me for no reason at all nor of anything I've done, totally unmerited favor...WAIT! NEVERMIND!!!!!"
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Amen bro!....Amen!
 
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Jimbone said:
Agreed. And to me, "Hey I was saved because I chose Him". Sounds just like a work to me. I'm not saying you said this or were suggesting it. This was just a personal opinion I was sharing out loud with you.

But I couldn't agree more, not only are we not saved by works, there is not a work possible in the flesh at all ever, even any remote possibility at all, in all of eternity that can save us. Like not even a possibility. Ever. For all time in all space. Ever. Foe Show!

There is NO"THING we can ever do, including making our own choice, that can save us. Only His grace.
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Who says we are saved because we chose him?
can you name a person?
 
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preacher4truth said:
Lol!!!!!!!

"But salvation still 100 percent God though."

"He saw I'd choose him so based on what I did he decided to save me. That's what grace is, saving me for no reason at all nor of anything I've done, totally unmerited favor...WAIT! NEVERMIND!!!!!"
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Once again
who says they chose God

Are you going to Continue in this Mocking tone it admit who says such a thing

Everyone I know thinks God chose them
Myself included
 
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preacher4truth said:
Lol!!!!!!!

"But salvation still 100 percent God though."

"He saw I'd choose him so based on what I did he decided to save me. That's what grace is, saving me for no reason at all nor of anything I've done, totally unmerited favor...WAIT! NEVERMIND!!!!!"
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Bro...no one here has said they saved themselves..where have they said this?
 
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