CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

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Can a mature Christian support gay marriage?

  • Yes, a mature Christian can support gay marriage

    Votes: 15 10.5%
  • No, a mature Christian cannot support gay marriage

    Votes: 128 89.5%

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Bonaventure

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The Incarnation sanctified the flesh and the natural world. By becoming human, God showed that the material world was not evil, but holy. What you are describing is Manichaeism.
 
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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. ( 1 Cor. 13:4-7 )


Love is Almighty God. A selfless servant, the giver of all things, Love is Love. To care, to hope, to wish, to do anything else is to be under and beneath that of Love. Love is not the product of lies nor Loves gifts, Love is the giver and creator of all things, never changing, never failing, always the same. Love. Not care. Not kindness. Not passionate.. Love is Love. God is God. A selfless servant. A Giver, the Giver of all things true and all things that can be.
 
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I am describing nothing myself, only telling you Jesus' words, Almighty's Truth's, not my own. Humans are the breath of God, not the dirt. The dirt is where Satan is held captive, in flesh, mind, thoughts, and judgement had already been passed on these things, it is Satan who has been condemned, not the Breath of God, not you, the Soul. The Soul is perfect, only flaw is that it is without God. This has already begun to change.
 

Bonaventure

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Donnie, The name Adam is from Adamah, which means earth, ground, i.e. dirt. The breath of God was breathed into this "dirt", which made it into a human. Which proves by point. Earth (flesh/material world) and Breath (spirit/soul). The two are intrinsic, not separate.

The theological argument that you are describing is not original. It is an ancient heresy known as Manichaeism. Even St. Augustine was a follower of it for a while in his youth. These are matters of fact and history. Look them up.



 
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God is Love, Love is God. True worshippers worship God in the Spirit and in Truth. If the flesh is what rules you, and debating thing of the flesh is what holds you, that's your choice but, know you speak for yourself, you speak no words given to you by Jesus or God. For God is a Spirit and you must worship him a such. What is of the dirt and your word counts for nothing, as does your opinions and words concerning that nothing. Worshipper of God will be given God's Truth's, and those Truth with end all your debating and foolishness.
Have I become your enemy for telling the truth? The fact still remain you can not be a practicing sodomite and enter the kingdom of heaven. They will go to hell as the bible says.
 

Bonaventure

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"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." --[FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ezekiel 16:49


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Have I become your enemy for telling the truth? The fact still remain you can not be a practicing sodomite and enter the kingdom of heaven. They will go to hell as the bible says.
There is no Hell as you would think it so.. Do you love anyone? Would you make a place like Hell to torment and torture them for all eternity? Perhaps for your children? God will not, can not and did not either, for God is God and God will only do what God does, Love.

I Love you, I do not have enemies, how can I? I am a true worshipper of God. I am an advocate for Jesus, the comforter, the helper, the counselor. I love you, you are not my enemy, I do not have any.

One cannot be anything other that with God, taken their by Jesus, in order to enter into the kingdom of God. Your judgement is your sin, your words are your own, not Gods. When God gives his word all who hear will follow, for it is impossible to know god ajd not serve god, so your battle cry is not required but you are free to state and claim whatever it is you wish.

For those if you who wish to think you speak for God, know that you do not. For those that here your words, please know that God is Love and his words will move you with Love, in truth, and then you will know and with love, you will make your own decision on what is right and what is wrong, and that will be all that happens. Their is no hell for you, only Love.
 
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"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." --Ezekiel 16:49


Yes, arrogant and unconcerned about the abominations that went on in that place. They did not even help the poor and needy who got sodomized by those brute beasts.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Revelation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Homosexuals need to repent of their sins and follow Christ.
 
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You do not know righteousness or sin and judgement because you do not know Jesus, God or the truth that Satan has been judged and condemned, not Gods Temples. You do not know a single truth, you only know lies but that is why Jesus' words are being given to you noe, so that you may know that your world, all of it, is wrong about everything and unrighteous. Godless, Loveless, without Christ, until now. I am Jesus' advocate, the helper, the counselor, the comforter... I know Jesus and God and these are Almighty's Truths, not my own or my own words, Gods words, Jesus' words.
 

Ahwatukee

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Yes , Christians can support gay marriage, and many do so. You will not find many on this site who do so, as the posts have shown
Hello Vernon,

Do you know what it means to support gay marriage? It means that you are condoning i.e. approving of that practice. I would remind you of what Jesus said to the Ephesian Church regarding the Nicolaitans when he said, "But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."As believers in Christ, we should hate what our Lord hates and that naturally because the Spirit of God dwells in us. The Nicolaitans were practicing the same thing as the church in Pergamum, which was the willful eating of food sacrificed to idols and committing sexual immorality as part of that pagan ritual. I would also remind you of what is written in Jude regarding those involved in same-sex life styles:

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Does the above sound like we as believers should support gay marriage? Anyone who is condoning this practice is just as guilty. We are supposed to be the light of the world, not trying to be politically correct. Don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? How can we condone or support such behavior?

The problem that we are having is that these people are proclaiming to be of Christ, but have no intention of repenting and that because they do not recognize their same-sex life style as sin or don't want to recognize it. Instead, they want to justify and embrace it. They want to continue in it. So instead of repentance, they are working to make it the norm in society. Do you not remember what Paul said regarding the issue of sexual immorality?

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I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or siste but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people."

We in Christ, knowing the truth of God's word, should take our stand for righteousness sake and continue to make it known that same-sex life styles--just like all other sin--is wrong in God's eyes and leads to death. In answer to the original post, NO, we cannot support or condone same-sex marriage. If we have the opportunity to share Christ with those who are living that life style, then we definitely should. But, we should not compromise on the word of God. Those who are living a same-sex life style are deceiving themselves if they think that they can truly be in Christ while willfully continuing in those detestable practices.
 
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Everyone needs to deny themselves, their world, pick up stake and follow Christ.. Not just homosexuals. Everyone needs to deny every thought, every idea, every belief, everything they think they knie, they are all lies and they need to deny satans world, all of it, set it all down, and know God, follow Jesus. This how Jesus is your path, the way, the light in darkness, life..

Keep pointing your finger at others when all of you are without Jesus, without God, without Love, and are in need of denying yourself and everything else, equally so to even homosexuals, in order to know Jesus, and you will not get to serve God and know Jesus while you do so.
 
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No man can give another man God's Truths. God gives them and when he does, they move all to serve him, even the Devil. If you where Gods servant and God spoke through you to homosexuals, no one would be a homosexual. Know God's Truth, God's power, know God is not with you so put down your swords and do what God has asked of you, deny yourself, deny yout world, and follow Jesus. Love.
 

Bonaventure

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Yes, arrogant and unconcerned about the abominations that went on in that place. They did not even help the poor and needy who got sodomized by those brute beasts.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

In citing this passage in Leviticus it is important to be aware of the original language used. The word that gets translated as abomination (toevah) indicates a cultic violation not a moral one. For example,eating shellfish is also "toevah". It is not a moral sin. If the writers of Leviticus had intended for it to be describing something immoral they would have used the word "zimmah", which refers to something that is wrong in and of itself, i.e. sin.

Leviticus does not say that being gay is wrong or is a sin. Rather that it a ritual violation, just like eating shellfish and mixing fibers. If you will notice the condemnations of same-sex acts almost always follows prohibition of idolatry. Most same-sex couples that I know do what they do as an expression of love, not to worship an ancient half-man, half bull god.
 

Ahwatukee

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There is no Hell as you would think it so.. Do you love anyone? Would you make a place like Hell to torment and torture them for all eternity? Perhaps for your children? God will not, can not and did not either, for God is God and God will only do what God does, Love.

I Love you, I do not have enemies, how can I? I am a true worshipper of God. I am an advocate for Jesus, the comforter, the helper, the counselor. I love you, you are not my enemy, I do not have any.

One cannot be anything other that with God, taken their by Jesus, in order to enter into the kingdom of God. Your judgement is your sin, your words are your own, not Gods. When God gives his word all who hear will follow, for it is impossible to know god ajd not serve god, so your battle cry is not required but you are free to state and claim whatever it is you wish.

For those if you who wish to think you speak for God, know that you do not. For those that here your words, please know that God is Love and his words will move you with Love, in truth, and then you will know and with love, you will make your own decision on what is right and what is wrong, and that will be all that happens. Their is no hell for you, only Love.
Hello Donnie,

You are displaying the same error that many do in that, you think that God's love will override His righteous judgment. It doesn't! God's love, grace and mercy for mankind are in operation only while the person is alive. All sin must be accounted for. Jesus was held accountable for the sins of those who would believe in Him. For those who die without faith in Christ, they will be held accountable for their own sins and all sin must be accounted for. Scripture states (and I speak on behalf of God's word) that there will be eternal punishment in the lake of fire for all whose names are not written in the book of life. Eternal punishment in the lake of fire is God's form of dealing with sin for individuals whether you or anyone else approves or not. If you don't agree with that, then the burden of proof is on you, because this is what scripture teaches throughout God's word.
 

Ahwatukee

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In citing this passage in Leviticus it is important to be aware of the original language used. The word that gets translated as abomination (toevah) indicates a cultic violation not a moral one. For example,eating shellfish is also "toevah". It is not a moral sin. If the writers of Leviticus had intended for it to be describing something immoral they would have used the word "zimmah", which refers to something that is wrong in and of itself, i.e. sin.

Leviticus does not say that being gay is wrong or is a sin. Rather that it a ritual violation, just like eating shellfish and mixing fibers. If you will notice the condemnations of same-sex acts almost always follows prohibition of idolatry. Most same-sex couples that I know do what they do as an expression of love, not to worship an ancient half-man, half bull god.
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable"

The word of God is very clear regarding this issue no matter how you try to circumvent this issue with words.
 

Bonaventure

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LOL, words are what it was written in. Not English words. But Hebrew ones. And the Hebrew doesn't condemn what you are trying to get it to condemn. Adding context and understanding clarifies the issue, it does not circumvent it.
 

Ahwatukee

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"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." --Ezekiel 16:49
Nice try! Sodom here is being used figuratively for Israel, not literal Sodom. Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities where destroyed by God with fire and sulfur from heaven because of men having sex with men and woman having sex with women, period! Why do you people always try to distort the truth of God's word?
 
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God is Love, nothing else. God does not change, cannot change, God can only do what God will do, for he is God. I do not need the Bible nor have a read the bible or learned anything from it. Spirit of truth, God, Jesus are my teachers, these are not my words but theirs.

Follow Jesus' words or not. Your choice. Jesus says to love. Deny thyself, deny your world, because you are wrong, you don't know him or the father, you don't know sin, judgement or a single truth, only lies, and that truth comes from God, not between your own ears, That is Satan between your ears. God is Love, true worshippers know God in the spirit, in truth, and that's all God seeks and will know. You have to deny your lies, yourself, your thoughts, not Jesus. Jesus' words. Follow your own or follow Jesus. Your choice. I love you.
 

Ahwatukee

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LOL, words are what it was written in. Not English words. But Hebrew ones. And the Hebrew doesn't condemn what you are trying to get it to condemn. Adding context and understanding clarifies the issue, it does not circumvent it.
And you are twisting and distorting the word of God. Here are some words for you regarding what God has to say about homosexuality:

"In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

Same-sex life styles are sin just like any other sin, which requires repentance. Here is another scripture regarding this and other sins:

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Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with mennor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

The word "
arsenokoités " is translated as "men who have sex with men." The definition is "sodomite." As believers in Christ we cannot support nor condone this life style. It is detestable to the Lord.
 

Bonaventure

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Nice try! Sodom here is being used figuratively for Israel, not literal Sodom. Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities where destroyed by God with fire and sulfur from heaven because of men having sex with men and woman having sex with women, period! Why do you people always try to distort the truth of God's word?
Because that is not what the scholarship shows.
Truth is uncovered by a constant analysis. Otherwise the truth becomes stagnant and a blind ritual.