CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

eph610 · Aug 29, 2016

First off, If you are going to say something is False you better be crystal clear....
1 John 4.8-21

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. [SUP]13 [/SUP]By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. [SUP]14 [/SUP]We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. [SUP]19 [/SUP]We love, because He first loved us. [SUP]20 [/SUP]If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

The NT speaks of Jesus as the only righteous judge and not God.

Jesus said so himself all over the Gospels, notably in John 5

Paul confirms this to us in Acts 17.30-31
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, [SUP]31 [/SUP]because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed,having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

eph610 · Aug 29, 2016

kaylagrl said:

Using Charisma news to defend yourself is like using a screen door on a submarine....

willfollowsGod · Aug 30, 2016

eph610 said:

Kaylagirl is being crystal clear, it is sadly you who is confused. She is not denying that God is love, but that is not all he is. God is a Righteous Judge, full of holy wrath, our advocate (defense attorney), the Lamb, the Lion of Judah, etc. Jesus is God and that is why He is the righteous judge. In the New Testament, he never claims to not be God. He even says a lot of I Ams which ticked off the Jewish authorities and others. He said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" in John 14:6. He even calls God his Father, something that no mere Jew would call God. In Revelation he says "I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End" in Revelation 21:6 and Revelation 22:13. When Jesus was baptized by John (the Baptist and not the other one), God the Father says, " this is my Son whom I love, with him I am well pleased" and even before that the Holy Spirit like a dove alights on him in Matthew 3:16-17. Another passage Jesus asks the disciples who do they say he is, some of them give the answers of the day, that he is Elijah, Moses, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. Jesus then asks Peter who does he say Jesus is and this is Peter's response in Matthew 16:16-17 and Jesus' response to his answer: "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."

Also, in Acts 17:30-31, It is talking about God the Father and Jesus judging the world. Notice it says He (God) has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man (Jesus Christ) whom he has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him (Jesus) from the dead. I am wondering if you are a Jehovah's Witness or are selectively reading your Bible.

Finally, Kaylagirl is allowed to use an article from Charisma News to support the biblical position, she is not defending herself, she is defending what the Bible says and not what the world says. God bless. Have a beautiful day.

eph610 · Aug 30, 2016

willfollowsGod said:

Kaylagirl is being crystal clear, it is sadly you who is confused. She is not denying that God is love, but that is not all he is. God is a Righteous Judge, full of holy wrath, our advocate (defense attorney), the Lamb, the Lion of Judah, etc. Jesus is God and that is why He is the righteous judge. In the New Testament, he never claims to not be God. He even says a lot of I Ams which ticked off the Jewish authorities and others. He said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" in John 14:6. He even calls God his Father, something that no mere Jew would call God. In Revelation he says "I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End" in Revelation 21:6 and Revelation 22:13. When Jesus was baptized by John (the Baptist and not the other one), God the Father says, " this is my Son whom I love, with him I am well pleased" and even before that the Holy Spirit like a dove alights on him in Matthew 3:16-17. Another passage Jesus asks the disciples who do they say he is, some of them give the answers of the day, that he is Elijah, Moses, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets. Jesus then asks Peter who does he say Jesus is and this is Peter's response in Matthew 16:16-17 and Jesus' response to his answer: "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."

Also, in Acts 17:30-31, It is talking about God the Father and Jesus judging the world. Notice it says He (God) has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man (Jesus Christ) whom he has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him (Jesus) from the dead. I am wondering if you are a Jehovah's Witness or are selectively reading your Bible.

Finally, Kaylagirl is allowed to use an article from Charisma News to support the biblical position, she is not defending herself, she is defending what the Bible says and not what the world says. God bless. Have a beautiful day.

Do you have Kids yet? If you do or don't think about this..........

I do have kid so I can say this. As a Father I have gotten very upset and angry at my daughter at times. I have even let my wrath over something she did be shown....but my love for her never fails and never stops....the same is True of God the Father towards sinner and saint....

NarrowRoadDisciple · Aug 30, 2016

So we understand that God is love.
Because God loves us, He must be just. God must give judgment on that which is contrary to the ways and will He has established out of love.

The problem comes when people say that God is love, He can't possibly give judgment!
Or another problem is when Christians tolerate sin with the intention of loving the person who is in sin. However, the method in which the love the person actually is condoning of the sin itself.

This is why the love we are to give others and the lover we have for God are the same. Agape love. This type of love isn't all sunshine and lollipops 24/7. This joyous love is a part of what Agape love is, but that is not the be all end all. Agape love means we give truth even when it's difficult and comes with opposition. Agape love means that we will call out sin when it is present, especially among the brethren. Agape love means we do correct each other when error is present.

However, there is a movement in the modern day church where when anyone is called out on sin or error, they lash back by claiming that the person is judging them. This lukewarm attitude is slowly sapping the church of all strength and effectiveness when it comes to standing for God's truth. It invites compromise and biblical relativism or relative truth.

Perhaps this is the reason why kaylagrl also brought up the fact that God is just and must judge sin. God is a God of wrath and judgment. However, He does this because He loves us. I know eph that you do understand this based on your last post as a father. Maybe this has explained why kaylagrl posted what she posted, if i'm wrong kaylagrl, please let me know. Words do matter as do terms, and perhaps we need to all come to the same playing field on this topic, or maybe explain a bit further when we do post.

I do agree that Charisma news isn't always the best source to use, as they tend to be rather biased

. Sometimes, on a rare occasion, they do have some gems.

eph610 · Aug 30, 2016

NarrowRoadDisciple said:

So we understand that God is love.
Because God loves us, He must be just. God must give judgment on that which is contrary to the ways and will He has established out of love.

The problem comes when people say that God is love, He can't possibly give judgment!
Or another problem is when Christians tolerate sin with the intention of loving the person who is in sin. However, the method in which the love the person actually is condoning of the sin itself.

This is why the love we are to give others and the lover we have for God are the same. Agape love. This type of love isn't all sunshine and lollipops 24/7. This joyous love is a part of what Agape love is, but that is not the be all end all. Agape love means we give truth even when it's difficult and comes with opposition. Agape love means that we will call out sin when it is present, especially among the brethren. Agape love means we do correct each other when error is present.

However, there is a movement in the modern day church where when anyone is called out on sin or error, they lash back by claiming that the person is judging them. This lukewarm attitude is slowly sapping the church of all strength and effectiveness when it comes to standing for God's truth. It invites compromise and biblical relativism or relative truth.

Perhaps this is the reason why kaylagrl also brought up the fact that God is just and must judge sin. God is a God of wrath and judgment. However, He does this because He loves us. I know eph that you do understand this based on your last post as a father. Maybe this has explained why kaylagrl posted what she posted, if i'm wrong kaylagrl, please let me know. Words do matter as do terms, and perhaps we need to all come to the same playing field on this topic, or maybe explain a bit further when we do post.

I do agree that Charisma news isn't always the best source to use, as they tend to be rather biased

. Sometimes, on a rare occasion, they do have some gems.

Message received L&C narrowroad, thanks for the points.

Bladerunner · Aug 30, 2016

wwjd_kilden said:

I guess you are implying that because Peter denied Jesus Christ three times in one night that this is the same as being any LGBTQQX three times and still saved by Grace.

Me, I tend to believe that it would be living in sin 24-7 and still asking God to be saved? What he will believe is up to him.

Have a Blessed Day
Blade

Bladerunner · Aug 30, 2016

eph610 said:

I think upon really reading the Bible, you will find that God is a loving god but he is very Jealous and Hates SIN

have a Blessed Day!

Blade

Diego007 · Aug 30, 2016

I was raised Catholic and Episcopal. Almost became an Anglican/Episcopal Monk and Priest. Then they got weird, ordaining women, gays, and then "marrying" gays.

Its not my business to tell people how to live their life. But it is my business to preach the Gospel. I am not a "once saved, always saved" individual. One CAN fall away from salvation. I did, for years. I came back to the Lord, thank God. But Romans 1:26-27 is very clear. Men-sex (or women-sex) is not cool. Leviticus points it out as well.

Bladerunner · Aug 30, 2016

The Whole Romans chapter 1 would be worth reading. God tells us that They (LGBTQQX???) know about his rules and continue sinning anyway. God then gives them over to themselves where the real truth is hidden.

Have a Blessed Day

Blade

willfollowsGod · Aug 31, 2016

eph610 said:

Also, what does me having kids or not have to do with what I posted? I do not see the problem with what I posted. God's wrath is different from a sinful human's wrath. The wrath of God is righteous indignation, which Christians can have and not sin by having it. What you sometimes have might not always be righteous indignation, but angry that can cause you to sin because of something your daughter. I am not doubting that you are a good parent, through Christ working on your life and you hereby having a love for her that will never fail and never stop as long as you are alive. God bless.

Desdichado · Aug 31, 2016

Nope.

If you are going to support an abomination, at least let it be unique and interesting

eph610 · Aug 31, 2016

Bladerunner said:

Quite correct and he loves them all the way to the Lake of Fire...His judgements and hatred of SIN is not the debate....someone stating GOD is not love all the time and to say so is false teaching is the debate. If she rushed to answer that's fine, but I am not going to let someone sit here and tell people that GOD IS NOT LOVE, despite the fact he hates sin and will judge it with righteous judgement.

I already used an example of a human Father with his own kids...to which not one of you even cared about.

I am done on this thread.

eph610 · Aug 31, 2016

willfollowsGod said:

The fact that you did not get my example of a Father and kids says everything...

The way you personally relate to Father is the way you will personally relate to the lost of the world and how YOU will be judged By Jesus Christ.

Blessings we are done

willfollowsGod · Aug 31, 2016

eph610 said:

I did not say I did not get your example. I got it, I responded to it. Also, Kaylagirl is not saying that God is not love all the time, she is saying that that is not all what God is. There is a difference. God bless.

Yonah · Aug 31, 2016

In my opinion it is exceedingly sad that such a question as posed in the OP, even has to be asked... anyone who loves God loves what He loves and hates what he hates. if anyone advocates what is clearly shown to be unacceptable in the eyes of the Almighty is lacking a true born again experience, and needs to get on their face and pray for deliverance from their lack of understanding... its not a bad thing not to understand, it is a bad thing not to even try.

eph610 · Aug 31, 2016

willfollowsGod said:

If you had Gotten my example you would still not be trying to tell everyone that God is Angry all the time at one side and only loves the other when they receive him.....when you get this it will transform your walk.

willfollowsGod · Aug 31, 2016

eph610 said:

Well, you are missing God as he is in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Yes, he is love. But he is also just and full of righteous wrath. Explain Revelation for me, you see God's love for those who are saved but his justice for those who sadly never called upon him and were judged and thrown into the lake of fire. My walk everyday is transformed, I just don't understand is what is your beef with what the Bible says about these characteristics of God. No one is denying that God is love. God bless.

Yonah · Aug 31, 2016

Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Preacha24-7 · Aug 31, 2016

First of all there is no such thing as a Gay Christian. If you're gay you ain't a Christian. People who are gay or bisexual are going straight to hell unless they repent. We live in a world that has been corrupted and people don't even fearGod anymore. Kids in public schools ain't even safe anymore. Perverted school teachers having sex with students. Young teenage girls are being raped by male family members. The Devil is very busy. Mature Christians would never support homosexuality! Marriage is between a man and a woman. Anything else would be a total violation of God's commandments. When I was in high school teachers were not having sex with students. Satan hates to be exposed. 1 Thessalonians5:22 Abstain from every form of evil. That means that Christians are not supposed to be doing anything that would cause us to sin. Ephesians5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. The Illuminati is behind the Gay Agenda. They trying to make people think that being gay is OK. I don't care what laws they pass homosexuality is a sin and it's an abomination before God Almighty.Leviticus18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. All these Scriptures came from the New King James Version. To God be the glory. Preacha24-7

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