Can a Christian lose their salvation? Unsure.

[dcontroversal]

if every sin ...(except unbelief) is covered....paid for.. the children who sin after biblical salvation...are those sin already forgiven...or do they need forgiveness for those sins...EG says those sins are already forgiven ....my contention is if God forgive you of a sin and say he will remember it no more ...why is he punishing you for it??? do you agree with EG???

Did Christ die for and pay for the sins of the world or not? If it is not covered under the banner and blood of Jesus then Jesus would have to die hundreds of trillions of times to the 100th power continually over and over again to pay for humanities sin.........the bible states clearly that he died unto SIN ONCE and ONCE was sufficient to cover ALL of humanities sins other than UNBELIEF into the faith of JESUS....!

 

[newbirth]

Did Christ die for and pay for the sins of the world or not? If it is not covered under the banner and blood of Jesus then Jesus would have to die hundreds of trillions of times to the 100th power continually over and over again to pay for humanities sin.........the bible states clearly that he died unto SIN ONCE and ONCE was sufficient to cover ALL of humanities sins other than UNBELIEF into the faith of JESUS....!

You are reading your belief into the scripture ...
Hebrews 10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Christ sacrifice was once of all ...that all means all men...and whosoever receives him ...that sacrifice takes away all their sins up to that point ...making them a new creature...who is created unto good works and should not sin...if they sin he is their advocate before God...if they walk in fellowship with him his blood cleanses them from all unrighteousness...if they sin and they confess their sins he is faithful to forgive ....if one is contending that all future sins are already forgiven....then why do we need an advocate or more forgiveness....????

Now if there is no forgiveness for the sin of unbelief...and we were all in unbelief how come we are forgiven??? you misunderstand scripture....but then again you are never wrong .....so you will say I don't understand....

Romans 11:32

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[dcontroversal]

You are reading your belief into the scripture ...
Hebrews 10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

[SUP]12 [/SUP]But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Christ sacrifice was once of all ...that all means all men...and whosoever receives him ...that sacrifice takes away all their sins up to that point ...making them a new creature...who is created unto good works and should not sin...if they sin he is their advocate before God...if they walk in fellowship with him his blood cleanses them from all unrighteousness...if they sin and they confess their sins he is faithful to forgive ....if one is contending that all future sins are already forgiven....then why do we need an advocate or more forgiveness....????

Now if there is no forgiveness for the sin of unbelief...and we were all in unbelief how come we are forgiven??? you misunderstand scripture....but then again you are never wrong .....so you will say I don't understand....

Romans 11:32

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Dude, you have to actually be born again to understand the scripture and it is obvious that you are one who is lacking in the field of understanding....the ONLY unforgivable sin is UNBELIEF which is exactly what the Pharisees were portraying when they were equating the work of Christ to the power of the devil.....EVERY MAN and WOMAN born are found under the banner of unbelief until they EXERCISE belief into JESUS and the completed work that he accomplished upon the cross....what you need to do is lay aside ALL of your misconstrued IDEAS and go back to square ONE and acknowledge the saving faith of JESUS Christ, be born again of the SPIRIT and then pray to have understanding and actually study the bible in CONTEXT while paying attention to every WORD and come on line with the truth..........!

 

[newbirth]

Dude, you have to actually be born again to understand the scripture and it is obvious that you are one who is lacking in the field of understanding....the ONLY unforgivable sin is UNBELIEF which is exactly what the Pharisees were portraying when they were equating the work of Christ to the power of the devil.....EVERY MAN and WOMAN born are found under the banner of unbelief until they EXERCISE belief into JESUS and the completed work that he accomplished upon the cross....what you need to do is lay aside ALL of your misconstrued IDEAS and go back to square ONE and acknowledge the saving faith of JESUS Christ, be born again of the SPIRIT and then pray to have understanding and actually study the bible in CONTEXT while paying attention to every WORD and come on line with the truth..........!

the ONLY unforgivable sin is UNBELIEF
those are your words...if one is in unbelief...and comes to Christ and he is forgiven...is it not of unbelief he is forgiven...the same unforgivable sin...
How is it Christ did not condemn these his disciples in unbelief????

Mark 16:13-15King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

 

[DiscipleDave]

[video=youtube;_Dnnge1feB8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dnnge1feB8[/video]

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Awesome video, because it is the Truth. It is because of these inspired by God verses you mention above, that many Christians who profess to be SAVED, will one day NOT be taken and will be weeping and gnashing their teeth, because they FAILED miserably to understand This Truth of these two verses, and not just those two verses, the ENTIRE Bible teaches us how not to sin. Woe to this generation indeed.

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[DiscipleDave]

So God lied. when he says he HAS PERFECTED?

of course paul was not perfect, No one is, the only one able to reach that position according to the law was Christ. No one else has or can. If salvation is dependent on this, no one will ever be saved.

You do understand there is a difference between positional sanctification, which is perfected. and conditional sanctification, which will be an ongoing process which will continue until we die do you not?

Glorification is when our condition in chrit will match our position in christ.

either way it does not matter,

He said he HAS PERFECTED already those who are BEING SANCTIFIED.

The moment i accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and Lord, He cleansed me of past sins, i was perfected, pure, clean, Holy, Just, umblameable, Perfect, No sins. He perfected me in every way. The problem with this generation though, is they believe that Jesus continues to die on the cross so they are perfected every singly time they commit sin and repent of it. They believe Jesus does this over and over and over again, even though the Bible is clear He does that for us ONCE. When we accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord, it is at that time we are PERFECTED by and through Him. Afterwards when we choose to knowingly and willingly disobey God and willingly commit sin which we know is against God yet do it anyways, that is when we are no longer perfected, we have returned to the vomit again, or the pig to the mud.
Everyone who accepts Jesus Christi as their Savior and Lord is indeed perfected by Him. The problem is people believing a false doctrine that satan teaches that Jesus continually is perfecting a person every time they commit sin. They do error and know not the Truth, nor what the Scriptures teach.

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[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

At the moment a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, all their past sins are forgiven them cast into the sea of forgetfulness. They are indeed perfected by Him. This however does not mean that person will choose to remain in Him, to remain in that perfected condition that Jesus just had them in. In your statements above they are contradicting. You say on the one hand He has perfected us, then on the other say we can not be perfect until we go to Heaven. Are you perfected by Him or not? The Truth is anyone who accepts Jesus as their Savior and Lord, becomes perfect by and through Him, they are indeed sinless. This does not mean they will remain that way, because as soon as they knowingly and willingly commit sin, they have returned to their own vomit again. They were washed clean by His stripes and sacrifice, only to dirty their own selves up again. They were made perfect, but no longer remain in that condition because they freely choose to sin against Jesus.

You say "[/B][/COLOR]We will never be perfect in our lives until we get to heaven, only then will anyone be actually perfect."
The Word says "Perfect, Will not Stumble"

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lol. keep believing this, why do you excuse your sin? Your preaching an impossible gospel. which is not good news at all. it is placing people back under the law. which will never save anyone.

How are you saying "why do you excuse your sin?" are you kidding me right now, thats a good one. i teach don't sin at all, and you say i am excusing my sin. How in anything i have said above or in any article on the website, am i excusing my sins. i do not knowingly and willingly commit ANY sin against my Savior and Lord Jesus Christ, how then can you say i am excusing my sin. i abhor sin, yet you say i excuse it? lol, funny that, really that made me laugh. Who are those who excuse their sins, but those who continue to sin and still think they are Heaven bound.

You say i am teaching an impossible gospel, Not impossible, but very difficult and narrow, but the reward is eternal life with Jesus Christ in His Kingdom. Is it not written nothing is impossible to them that KNOW God. Also how can i be teaching an impossible gospel, when i am proof that it is possible, because i live it, and i live because HE is in me, and gives me the Strength and Power to overcome EVERY temptation that satan throws at me, it is HE in me, that i am able to do that which you say is an impossible gospel. What you call an impossible Gospel, did not Jesus teach the same thing? Yes He did, when He told a man and a woman to "Go and sin no more" would you have told Him right then and there "You are teaching an impossible Gospel" But i say the exact same thing Jesus Himself taught, and you say it is an impossible Gospel.
Not impossible, those who Truly want to be on the narrow and difficult path that leads to Life everlasting, which only and very few will find, MUST give up their life, they can no longer live a life for themselves, they give their life to Jesus Christ to do with as He sees fit. i belong to Him, He is my Master, i obey ONLY him, not satan, not my flesh, not my evil desires. Those who choose to walk this path, will lose family, friends, jobs, houses, lands, EVERYONE. i belong to Jesus, i am His slave, His servant. i only do those things that please Him, i do not do those things that please self. i have given up this life, for Him. Jesus gave His life for me, because He loves me. i in a like manner gave up my life for Him, He lives in me, and is with me. i will tell you the Truth. Jesus does not reside in a temple that knowingly and willingly lives in sin. Jesus died for you because of sins, He went through what He went through because of your sins, Why on Earth would you continue to do the very things that Jesus had to die for? i hate sin, i hate selfishness, which all sin is selfishness. No it is not easy to put Christ before everything, even self.
Tell me "where is Jesus when you are about to knowingly and willingly commit a sin, which you know is sinful, where is HE? How long do you think the Holy Ghost will reside in a body (temple) that quenches her every time that temple willingly commits sin? This generation is so blind, it is not willing to give up their sinning, that is just to hard to do, an impossible thing to do. So because it is impossible to do, let us hear a gospel that teaches, we can continue to sin and still go to Heaven. Cursed Children that cannot cease from sin.
The man that asked Jesus what must i do to be Saved, and Jesus told the man to go and sell all that you have and follow me, then you will be PERFECT.
What are you willing to give up? Are you willing to give up your husband? Your Wife? What about your children are you willing to give them up? What about Family? What about giving up your friends? Are you willing to give up EVERYTHING for Jesus and follow Him and only Him? Are you?
How many of you said YES? Yet you are not willing to give up the sin that so easily besets you. How does that make any since at all? You say "I am willing to give up my life for Jesus Christ" yet you are NOT willing to give up the sin that you so easily do over and over and over again. You see, i have given Him my life. ALL of it, EVERYTHING, and i have lost EVERYTHING because of that choice, i have given up sinning. impossible, YES, with man it is impossible. But with Jesus it is not impossible, i could not do it without Him.
Jesus told me a statement one time in conversation, and it hit me hard, so hard in fact that i ran from God for a couple of years, until God sent an Angel to get me back on track teaching His Word. But i believed even as this generation believes, i believed OSAS, i believed that were are not suppose to sin, but if we did, we have Jesus to forgive us. But what He told me, shocked me to my very core, so much so, i was like Jonah and ran, and oh did i live like the devil then, another story. But this is what He said to me.
"There is no sin that you do that you can't cease from."
He was telling me, to stop sinning, it was not Godly. i did not want to stop sinning, besides that would be way to difficult to do, impossible even, yeah that's it, He is asking me to do something that is not possible to do, so i ran from God. ... . ... ... .... .. .... ... .. Sorry, started crying just now, Because i ran, its the last time i ever heard his voice again, He has not spoken to me since, still crying, i hurt terribly because how i would love to hear Him again, to speak with me again, as He did many times before i ran. Sorry be back in a minute... .. .. .... .. . Well that's another story. But back to what i was saying, What He told me is so true.
There is no sin that you do that you can't cease from.
If then you CAN cease from every single sin that you do, be prepared to answer for yourself WHY you did not cease from them. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth on Judgement Day.

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[DiscipleDave]

lol. There is one payment for sin, Blood. Your continued confessing to excuse your sin is not going to allow God to grant you forgiveness, If his payment on the cross was not sufficient for your forgiveness, They you are still dead in your sin, Jesus did not do his job.

The problem is, what you say above does not line up with Scriptures

I John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Now you teach that Jesus Blood cleanseth no matter what, That His blood cleanseth you no matter what you do, and that it is automatic, all the time, every single minute of every single hour, of every single day. Yet the Apostle John, someone who walked with Jesus Christ and personally heard His teaching from His own mouth, and it is witnessed had the HOLY GHOST in him, now this man teaches that it is conditional. That the blood of Jesus cleanseth those who walk in the light as Jesus did. WHY would He teach this if what you say is True? Maybe you are not right and the Apostle John is teaching the Truth. Now only the Apostle John, but the other Apostles and Jesus all taught conditional. you teach automatic. So who should i believe, them or you?

I John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Tell me, if you say you have fellowship with Jesus Christ, and you knowingly and willingly obey satan and commit a sin which you know is sinful, yet do it anyways, are you lying or somehow still think you are in the Truth?

Over and over again SCriptures does not teach automatic, it teaches over and over and over again that it is conditional. Just explain to me, why the Apostle John said IF we walk in the light, that is when His Blood cleanseth us from all sin, would say such a thing if what you believe and teach is true, that it does not matter if we walk in the light or walk in darkness( commit sin ), that His Blood STILL cleanseth us from all sin. Can you explain why the Apostle John said and taught it was conditional? when you teach it is NOT conditional?

No one is sinless. Stop excusing your sin!

Again, i see the same thing. You say No one is sinless, yet Jesus specifically told a woman to "Go and sin no more" If it is impossible to do that, why would Jesus instruct a woman to go and do that very thing? Not only did Jesus tell a woman to "Go and sin no more" but He also told a man to "Go and sin no more" Why would Jesus teach that, and you teach it is not possible? What if Jesus told you to "Go and sin no more" Would you look at Him and say "Now Jesus, that is impossible to do" or would you do as He told you? it is said of King David, that in EVERYTHING David did it pleased God, except the case of the Hetite. Job it is also said of him that he did not sin, was a just man.

And don't think those are the only two that teach sin no more, there are many Scriptures which teach to do that, you can find the Scriptures HERE. Now will you be like the Bereans and go see what the Scriptures teach, or discard doing that to keep a hold of what you believe is the Truth?

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[DiscipleDave]

Any salvation that can be lost or stolen from us, through sin or getting off track in the will of God, is not eternal salvation and has no place in the believer's life. Once we are saved and placed in Christ, that is our dwelling place. We made do good or bad in that place, but we are never removed or placed outside of it. We did not put ourselves in that place, God did, and we can not be moved from that place (Acts 20:25, Psalm 16:8, 62:2,6, 90:1, Prov 24:15).

Who are they that the Blood of Jesus cleanseth from all sin? They who walk in the light as Jesus walked in the light.

I John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Woe to those who claim to be Saved, and under the Blood of Jesus yet they knowingly and willingly walk in darkness by committing sins which they know is sinful yet do them anyways, and still believe they are cleansed by His Blood even though they do walk in darkness now and then. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Many believe they cleansed by His Blood no matter what they DO. However the Truth is what Scriptures teach. Those who walk in the light and not in darkness, are they that the Blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth from all sin. EXACTLY as the Word of God teaches. The word of man teaches, they can walk in darkness and still be cleansed by His Blood, even though that is contrary to what Scriptures teaches. Believe men and die, believe God and live.

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[DiscipleDave]

"Heavenly Father, I don't always know how to pray. But I ask, if it be Thy will, to not let any of your children be lost to you. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen."

Our Father,
Which art in Heaven,
Hallowed be Thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
On earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
Forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive those who trespass against us.
Lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory,
For ever and ever.
Amen.
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This generation teaches it is not possible for God to do this for a person. Can God lead us not into temptation? Can God deliver us from evil? Yes and Yes, for He does do this for me. Those who knowingly and willingly commit sin, need to pray this prayer right before they willingly commit a sin which they know is sinful. Many years ago, when i was tempted to commit a sin of some kind, this is the prayer i would say over and over again until the temptation was gone. If that prayer did not seem to help, i would get the Bible out and start reading it, that Always seemed to get rid of the temptation.
Is this generation teaching that it is impossible to go to prayer, or to read the Bible EVERY time they are tempted to sin? Yes that is what they teach, and they are wrong. With every temptation God allows a path out of that temptation, one merely needs to WANT to look for it to find a path out of it. Not this generation though, though would just rather commit the sin, ask for forgiveness and all is well in the universe, they are still Heaven bound. sad really.

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[DiscipleDave]

Dude, you have to actually be born again to understand the scripture .........!

Those who are Truly born again, no longer do the deeds of the old man. How many in this generation claim to be a new man, yet they still do the same evil deeds they did before they accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord.

i will tell you the Truth, if you accepted Jesus as your Savior and Lord and became a New Man in Christ, yet you still do the deeds of the wicked man before you accepted Christ, you are NOT a new man in Christ, but of a truth still the old man. A good tree does not produce bad fruits. Any tree that produces bad fruits is NOT a good tree at all, but a a bad tree. If you are Truly a New Man in Christ, you do NOT do the deeds of the old wicked man. Woe to those who claim to be a New Man in Christ, and yet continue to live in the wicked sins of the old man that was prior to Him.
Those who do righteousness are Righteous.
Those who do wickedness are even now very wicked. a little bit of wickedness makes the person wicked. One bad fruit on a good tree, makes the whole tree bad
Many claim to be righteous and good, but their deeds PROVES what is in their hearts, wickedness, unrighteousness, and what makes it the worst is that those who do those wicked things, those unrighteous things, one the one side of their mouth Jesus is professed, but on the other side wickedness. Your master is to whom you obey. Do you obey satan and commit sins, or do you obey Jesus and do not commit sins?
Oh how many lost souls think they are a good tree, they profess to know Jesus, yet their works prove who they serve, how will they escape the hour of temptation that will come upon them?
i do not say this to upset anyone, i am teaching you the Truth, in hopes that you will listen to all that the Scriptures teach. i teach stop sinning, and i am mocked, put down, and whatever else, so as to not believe what i teach. i love you, and would that every single one of you would hearken to me. STOP obeying Jesus enemy the devil. LEARN to Hate sin, before it is to late, and there is not much time left to do that. As long as you allow satan into your life (knowingly and willingly obeying satan and committing sins) How can you ever come to the Truth? i will tell you what is impossible, it is impossible to say Jesus is your Master and Lord, if you knowingly and willingly obey His enemy the devil and continue to live in sins. That is the Truth, and i tell you in LOVE, so that you will cease to obey the devil, learn to hate sin, despise it, get it out of your life.

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[newbirth]

Those who are Truly born again, no longer do the deeds of the old man. How many in this generation claim to be a new man, yet they still do the same evil deeds they did before they accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord.

i will tell you the Truth, if you accepted Jesus as your Savior and Lord and became a New Man in Christ, yet you still do the deeds of the wicked man before you accepted Christ, you are NOT a new man in Christ, but of a truth still the old man. A good tree does not produce bad fruits. Any tree that produces bad fruits is NOT a good tree at all, but a a bad tree. If you are Truly a New Man in Christ, you do NOT do the deeds of the old wicked man. Woe to those who claim to be a New Man in Christ, and yet continue to live in the wicked sins of the old man that was prior to Him.
Those who do righteousness are Righteous.
Those who do wickedness are even now very wicked. a little bit of wickedness makes the person wicked. One bad fruit on a good tree, makes the whole tree bad
Many claim to be righteous and good, but their deeds PROVES what is in their hearts, wickedness, unrighteousness, and what makes it the worst is that those who do those wicked things, those unrighteous things, one the one side of their mouth Jesus is professed, but on the other side wickedness. Your master is to whom you obey. Do you obey satan and commit sins, or do you obey Jesus and do not commit sins?
Oh how many lost souls think they are a good tree, they profess to know Jesus, yet their works prove who they serve, how will they escape the hour of temptation that will come upon them?
i do not say this to upset anyone, i am teaching you the Truth, in hopes that you will listen to all that the Scriptures teach. i teach stop sinning, and i am mocked, put down, and whatever else, so as to not believe what i teach. i love you, and would that every single one of you would hearken to me. STOP obeying Jesus enemy the devil. LEARN to Hate sin, before it is to late, and there is not much time left to do that. As long as you allow satan into your life (knowingly and willingly obeying satan and committing sins) How can you ever come to the Truth? i will tell you what is impossible, it is impossible to say Jesus is your Master and Lord, if you knowingly and willingly obey His enemy the devil and continue to live in sins. That is the Truth, and i tell you in LOVE, so that you will cease to obey the devil, learn to hate sin, despise it, get it out of your life.

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hi Dave just so you know I did not post that statement...

Originally Posted by newbirth

Dude, you have to actually be born again to understand the scripture .........!

 

[newbirth]

This generation teaches it is not possible for God to do this for a person. Can God lead us not into temptation? Can God deliver us from evil? Yes and Yes, for He does do this for me. Those who knowingly and willingly commit sin, need to pray this prayer right before they willingly commit a sin which they know is sinful. Many years ago, when i was tempted to commit a sin of some kind, this is the prayer i would say over and over again until the temptation was gone. If that prayer did not seem to help, i would get the Bible out and start reading it, that Always seemed to get rid of the temptation.
Is this generation teaching that it is impossible to go to prayer, or to read the Bible EVERY time they are tempted to sin? Yes that is what they teach, and they are wrong. With every temptation God allows a path out of that temptation, one merely needs to WANT to look for it to find a path out of it. Not this generation though, though would just rather commit the sin, ask for forgiveness and all is well in the universe, they are still Heaven bound. sad really.

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what is even worst...some believe they don't have to confess or repent of their sins

 

[mailmandan]

Woe to those who claim to be Saved, and under the Blood of Jesus yet they knowingly and willingly walk in darkness by committing sins which they know is sinful yet do them anyways, and still believe they are cleansed by His Blood even though they do walk in darkness now and then.

Many believe they cleansed by His Blood no matter what they DO. However the Truth is what Scriptures teach. Those who walk in the light and not in darkness, are they that the Blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth from all sin. EXACTLY as the Word of God teaches. The word of man teaches, they can walk in darkness and still be cleansed by His Blood, even though that is contrary to what Scriptures teaches. Believe men and die, believe God and live.

As you said, woe to those who CLAIM to be saved yet walk in darkness. 1 John 1:6 - If we SAY that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

Compare "does not practice the truth" in 1 John 1:6 with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever "does not practice righteousness is not of God," nor is he who does not love his brother.

Now compare "nor is he who does not love his brother" in 1 John 3:10 with 1 John 2:9 - He who SAYS he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 1 John 2:11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

"In darkness" (Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Ephesians 5:8) and "walks in darkness" (1 John 1:6; 1 John 2:9; 1 John 2:11) is descriptive of children of the devil, not children of God.

 

[forsha]

And yet we read...

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Says if they fall away, they cannot be renewed. You can't renew something that has never been. They were converted but fell away.

What Christ promises us is that no OUTSIDE force of any kind can separate us from God...

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yet we have the free will to choose to leave.

You can fall away from your fellowship with God, but you can not fall away from your eternal salvation. All those that Jesus died for will receive eternal life, and he will not lose not even one of them, John 6:39.

 

[forsha]

7) those that deny salvation is conditional will try to get around it by claiming one can fall out of fellowship with God yet maintain his salvation anyway. One either fellowships God or Satan, light or darkness, righteousness or unrighteousness, 2 Cor 6:14. It's not possible that one can be in fellowship/communion with Satan, darkness and unrighteousness and be saved.

You are still not rightly dividing the salvation scriptures. The scriptures will not harmonize unless you see that the scriptures talk about two concepts of deliverances (salvations). eternal salvation and timely salvations. Most of the salvation scriptures are referring to timely deliverances.

 

[newbirth]

You can fall away from your fellowship with God, but you can not fall away from your eternal salvation. All those that Jesus died for will receive eternal life, and he will not lose not even one of them, John 6:39.

if you are not in fellowship with God...then you are walking in darkness...being disobedient to him Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Jesus died to save the whole world....are you saying the whole world will receive eternal life with him???

 

[newbirth]

You are still not rightly dividing the salvation scriptures. The scriptures will not harmonize unless you see that the scriptures talk about two concepts of deliverances (salvations). eternal salvation and timely salvations. Most of the salvation scriptures are referring to timely deliverances.

OK even is that is true...eternal salvation is only for those who obey him... Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

This generation teaches it is not possible for God to do this for a person. Can God lead us not into temptation? Can God deliver us from evil? Yes and Yes, for He does do this for me. Those who knowingly and willingly commit sin, need to pray this prayer right before they willingly commit a sin which they know is sinful. Many years ago, when i was tempted to commit a sin of some kind, this is the prayer i would say over and over again until the temptation was gone. If that prayer did not seem to help, i would get the Bible out and start reading it, that Always seemed to get rid of the temptation.
Is this generation teaching that it is impossible to go to prayer, or to read the Bible EVERY time they are tempted to sin? Yes that is what they teach, and they are wrong. With every temptation God allows a path out of that temptation, one merely needs to WANT to look for it to find a path out of it. Not this generation though, though would just rather commit the sin, ask for forgiveness and all is well in the universe, they are still Heaven bound. sad really.

what is even worst...some believe they don't have to confess or repent of their sins

That indeed is even worse.

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[DiscipleDave]

You can fall away from your fellowship with God, but you can not fall away from your eternal salvation. All those that Jesus died for will receive eternal life, and he will not lose not even one of them, John 6:39.

There is one problem with this logic. Jesus died for Everyone. Does that mean everyone will receive eternal life as you say above?

John 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

You do error in thinking that just because it is the Father's will, that it is done. it is the Fathers will that none perish, Matt 18:14 yet we know people do perish Luke 13:3-5. So just because it is the Fathers will does not make it True. The Father's will is that ALL, EVERYONE come to believe in His Son Jesus Christ, and we know that will not be the case, even though it is the Father's will. my point is, Just because it is the Father's will, does not make it so.

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Is it not written that it is the will of God that NONE perish