Can a So-Called Cafeteria Christian be a True Believer?

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No. They choose not to.
Shouldn't that be yes,but they choose not to renew their mind?

So then It sounds like you are saying the person has to be made perfect In the spirit and also In the flesh to be saved.
 
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True Doctrine: Salvation is received By Faith only.
True Doctrine: Water Baptism is not need to receive Salvation.
True Doctrine: We are sinless in the eyes of God.
True Doctrine: Eternity in the Lake of Fire, suffering forever.
Do you knowingly deny any of Christ's divine revelations to man?
 

mailmandan

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Do you not know what divine revelations are, or, are you a cafeteria Christian?
I believe the gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). Do you believe the gospel? Galatians 1:11 - But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 

mailmandan

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All of Christ's revelations are being denied within the human race. It depends on the person.
Why don't you explain to us which divine revelations of Christ are being denied. Give some examples.
 
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Shouldn't that be yes,but they choose not to renew their mind?

So then It sounds like you are saying the person has to be made perfect In the spirit and also In the flesh to be saved.
Matthew 10:33
But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.

To knowingly deny any of Christ's divine revelation to man is a denial of Christ Himself.
 
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How does being "Required" to believe result in believing? Its by Faith we believe.

How is being Required to believe in Divine revelations from God factor into Salvation being a free gift from God by Faith only?

Salvation is NOT based on what Divine revelations from God we accept or reject!

We can reject everything in revelations from God and still receive Salvation just by Faith!

There is no Divine Revelation from God that we have to believe in all His Revelations to receive Salvation.

Therefore what you are teaching is a work oriented type of Salvation. We do not need to accept every Doctrine from God to enter into Heaven!
 
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It's hard to get it out of him...at least 6 people have asked this already...???

It's like we are pulling out his last remaining tooth or that it is a big mystery but every one should know what he is talking about.
Bingo.......
 
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How does being "Required" to believe result in believing? Its by Faith we believe.

How is being Required to believe in Divine revelations from God factor into Salvation being a free gift from God by Faith only?

Salvation is NOT based on what Divine revelations from God we accept or reject!

We can reject everything in revelations from God and still receive Salvation just by Faith!

There is no Divine Revelation from God that we have to believe in all His Revelations to receive Salvation.

Therefore what you are teaching is a work oriented type of Salvation. We do not need to accept every Doctrine from God to enter into Heaven!
Denial of Christ's revealed truth is a denial of Christ himself.

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
 
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Matthew 10:33
But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.

To knowingly deny any of Christ's divine revelation to man is a denial of Christ Himself.
Instead of going right on,you made a left turn.:(
 

mailmandan

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Matthew 10:33
But he that shall deny me before men, I will also deny him before my Father who is in heaven.

To knowingly deny any of Christ's divine revelation to man is a denial of Christ Himself.
The broader context of this passage relates to the fact that the Pharisees had continuously denied Jesus while the disciples spoke about Him in every city they visited. We might paraphrase His teaching this way: "Whoever confesses me before men (such as you disciples), I will confess him before my Father in heaven. But whoever denies me before men (like these Pharisees do on every occasion they get), I will deny him before my Father in heaven."

Those who confess Jesus are those who recognize Him as being the true Messiah and trust in Him as the means of their salvation. Those who deny Jesus (and those who give mere lip service confession) but refuse to trust in Him alone for salvation place themselves beyond any possibility of salvation, since salvation is found only in Him (John 10:9; 14:6).

The word for "deny" is an aorist tense. This points to the fact that Jesus is not talking about a single instance of denial (as was the case with Peter, who actually denied Him three times - Luke 22:34), but is referring to life in its entirety. Hence, the person who throughout his life denies Christ (as was typically the case with the Pharisess and includes unbelievers who may even give mere "lip service confession" - Matthew 7:21-23, but lack saving faith in Christ) will be denied by Christ before the Father.
 
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The only Divined Revelation from God we need is believing Jesus is God. There is nothing else we need, and denying Divined revelation, other than believing Jesus is God, cannot keep us from keeping our Salvation.

What you call Divine Revelation from God is nothing more than being Predestined to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior.
 

mailmandan

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Denial of Christ's revealed truth is a denial of Christ himself.

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
Notice that Jesus said, "I NEVER knew you; depart from me, you that work iniquity." This is "descriptive" of lost unbelievers, not born again believers.
 
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The only Divined Revelation from God we need is believing Jesus is God. There is nothing else we need, and denying Divined revelation, other than believing Jesus is God, cannot keep us from keeping our Salvation.

What you call Divine Revelation from God is nothing more than being Predestined to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior.
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.
 

Billyd

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Denial of Christ's revealed truth is a denial of Christ himself.

Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
Mat 7:22 (KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So you are saying that Jesus's divine revelations are not to prophesy, cast out devils, and do many works in His name (works of iniquity).
 

mailmandan

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James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.
The word "believe" can describe mere mental assent belief, as in James 2:19, or also include "trust and reliance" in Christ for salvation, as in Acts 16:31. In James 2:19, nobody is questioning the fact that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
 
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Mat 7:22 (KJV) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So you are saying that Jesus's divine revelations are not to prophesy, cast out devils, and do many works in His name (works of iniquity).
We need to not deny any of Christ's revelations to man, otherwise, He will say to us "I never knew you".
 

breno785au

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Cafeteria Christian, is this some more ridiculous christianese I have to remember?