Can be gay and a Christian?

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There is no such thing as a gay Christian. There is no such thing as a murderer Christian. There is no such thing as a sexually immoral Christian. Etc, etc.... There is however Christians who are gay. Christians who struggle with sexually immoral things. Christians who have killed. Etc, etc ....
 

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There is no such thing as a gay Christian. There is no such thing as a murderer Christian. There is no such thing as a sexually immoral Christian. Etc, etc.... There is however Christians who are gay. Christians who struggle with sexually immoral things. Christians who have killed. Etc, etc ....
amen
 

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And what is the Holy Spirit saying? Believe that Jesus is the son of God. It all boils down to the same thing.
Does it? It doesn't seem to, not according to Jesus or the Apostle John anyway, who both speak of a particular sin which cannot be forgiven once it's been committed .. e.g. Matthew 12:31; Mark 3:29; 1 John 5:16.

In the same Gospel passages we learn that any word spoken against the Son of Man can be forgiven, and it's clear that "unbelief" is a sin which can be forgiven at any moment of our lives on this side of the grave (we continually pray that the Lord would change the hearts of unbelievers and save them, do we not :)), but not so a specific word (blasphemy) spoken against the Holy Spirit, as this particular sin (according to Bible) can never be forgiven on either side of the grave.

So, as best as I can make out from the Gospels and 1 John, the sin of "not believing in Jesus", and the sin of "blasphemy against the HS", are hardly the same things. If I am wrong about this, please tell/show me how.

Thanks!

~Deut

.........1 John 5
.........16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray, and God will give him life. There is a sin that leads
........to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.

.........
 
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The correct answer would be NO! (1 Cor. 6:9-11)

Yet some people think you could:

**link removed**

It is sad how deceived somebody can be.
Although I don't believe a christian would be a homosexual because the bible says that anyone that has this hope In them purifies themselves even as they are pure the bible also says that If the law Is offended at ANY point then the WHOLE law Is offended so then to preach against homosexuality a person would have to be talking about big sins are bad but little sins are ok.

To man this would be true but to GOD,If any law Is broken the WHOLE law has been offended.

If the law says don't go faster than 55 miles per hour and you go 56 miles per hour then the law has been broken.

Men don't think that's so bad but the law was offended.
 

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Does it? It doesn't seem to, not according to Jesus or the Apostle John anyway, who both speak of a particular sin which cannot be forgiven once it's been committed .. e.g. Matthew 12:31; Mark 3:29; 1 John 5:16.

In the same Gospel passages we learn that any word spoken against the Son of Man can be forgiven, and it's clear that "unbelief" is a sin which can be forgiven at any moment of our lives on this side of the grave (we continually pray that the Lord would change the hearts of unbelievers and save them, do we not :)), but not so a specific word (blasphemy) spoken against the Holy Spirit, as this particular sin (according to Bible) can never be forgiven on either side of the grave.

So, as best as I can make out from the Gospels and 1 John, the sin of "not believing in Jesus", and the sin of "blasphemy against the HS", are hardly the same things. If I am wrong about this, please tell/show me how.

Thanks!

~Deut

.........1 John 5
.........16 If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray, and God will give him life. There is a sin that leads
........to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.

.........
You are not seeing the forest for the trees.
 

Deuteronomy

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You are not seeing the forest for the trees.
Likewise, I don't believe that you are willing to look past the presupposition that you've been taught about it to see either the forest or the trees (that are so carefully detailed for us in the Gospels and the 1st Epistle of St. John concerning this particular kind of sin :)).

Also, telling me that I am not seeing the bigger picture is hardly answering my question(s), is it, nor does such a response address the obvious problems that your presupposition creates in regard to the Bible's various/clear descriptions of what the unpardonable sin actually is.

Here's a thought, perhaps it would help me/us understand why you believe what you do if you explain how you arrived at your definition of the unpardonable sin (and how you came to your particular understanding of it without denying or looking past the majority of the things/details that the Bible teaches us about it)?

Thanks!

~Deut
 

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Likewise, I don't believe that you are willing to look past the presupposition that you've been taught about it to see either the forest or the trees (that are so carefully detailed for us in the Gospels and the 1st Epistle of St. John concerning this particular kind of sin :)).

Also, telling me that I am not seeing the bigger picture is hardly answering my question(s), is it, nor does such a response address the obvious problems that your presupposition creates in regard to the Bible's various/clear descriptions of what the unpardonable sin actually is.

Here's a thought, perhaps it would help me/us understand why you believe what you do if you explain how you arrived at your definition of the unpardonable sin (and how you came to your particular understanding of it without denying or looking past the majority of the things/details that the Bible teaches us about it)?

Thanks!

~Deut
the unpardonable sin is not the issue, it is living in the sin and thinking God winks at your willingness to not obey His word. That is not true repentance, that is practicing sin. God is not mocked. there is a difference between stumbling over a sin and walking into it willfully. God knows and is not fooled one bit.
 
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Is overeating a willful sin?
Maybe It’s considered a small and Insignificant sin to men but not to GOD.
 

Deuteronomy

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the unpardonable sin is not the issue, it is living in the sin and thinking God winks at your willingness to not obey His word. That is not true repentance, that is practicing sin. God is not mocked. there is a difference between stumbling over a sin and walking into it willfully. God knows and is not fooled one bit.
Hi CS1, sorry about the fairly extensive thread drift. My last several posts were in reply to a thought that was posited by Embankment (back in his post #8) concerning the unpardonable sin: https://christianchat.com/threads/can-be-gay-and-a-christian.179129/post-3702646

I will do my best to return to the focus of the OP instead in any further posts.

Thanks!

~Deut
 

Deuteronomy

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Is overeating a willful sin?
Maybe It’s considered a small and Insignificant sin to men but not to GOD.
Overeating is a sin, but is it normally a defiant, intentional, willful sin against God? I don't think so.

Thanksgiving comes to mind, because even if I go to Thanksgiving dinner intending on eating normal amounts of food, there have always been family members, normally the ones who cooked the food, who insist on giving me more to eat. I think overeating is most often something that just happens/that we just fall into unintentionally, especially in situations like Thanksgiving dinner (not unlike falling into the sin of impatience with other drivers when they do something that we don't like or is dangerous, impolite, etc.).

Further, I cannot believe there are many who willfully/intentionally/defiantly sin against God .. by overeating ;)

Maybe I'm wrong about that however?

~Deut
 
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Overeating is a sin, but is it normally a defiant, intentional, willful sin against God? I don't think so.

Thanksgiving comes to mind, because even if I go to Thanksgiving dinner intending on eating normal amounts of food, there have always been family members, normally the ones who cooked the food, who insist on giving me more to eat. I think overeating is most often something that just happens/that we just fall into unintentionally, especially in situations like Thanksgiving dinner (not unlike falling into the sin of impatience with other drivers when they do something that we don't like or is dangerous, impolite, etc.).

Further, I cannot believe there are many who willfully/intentionally/defiantly sin against God .. by overeating ;)

Maybe I'm wrong about that however?

~Deut
Yes you would be wrong.GOD Is not like man.To men overeating Is a small Insignificant thing but GOD Is perfect and the bible says If you break the law at any point you have offended the law

People don’t want to accept that whether their sin Is big or small that It Is a sin and I used gluttony as a willful sin because a person can’t gain 50 lbs at one sitting,they would have to overeat over and over.

Seems like a small sin but the bible DOES mention It as a sin.
 

Deuteronomy

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You’ll get no argument from me about gluttony not being sinful, I simply do not believe it is normally sinful in the sense of being a defiant, intentional sin against God.
 
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You’ll get no argument from me about gluttony not being sinful, I simply do not believe it is normally sinful in the sense of being a defiant, intentional sin against God.
If a person Is overeating to the point that they gain weight until they are 50 lbs overweight,when would you say that that person might say that their overeating Is willful?
Overeating to me Is a sin BUT me and you are not under law but under grace and sin was paid for at the cross,now the Issue Is faith.:)

So then by the mercies of GOD lets present ourselves a living sacrifice and not to conform to the world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds,proving what Is that good and acceptable and perfect will of GOD.
 

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Likewise, I don't believe that you are willing to look past the presupposition that you've been taught about it to see either the forest or the trees (that are so carefully detailed for us in the Gospels and the 1st Epistle of St. John concerning this particular kind of sin :)).

Also, telling me that I am not seeing the bigger picture is hardly answering my question(s), is it, nor does such a response address the obvious problems that your presupposition creates in regard to the Bible's various/clear descriptions of what the unpardonable sin actually is.

Here's a thought, perhaps it would help me/us understand why you believe what you do if you explain how you arrived at your definition of the unpardonable sin (and how you came to your particular understanding of it without denying or looking past the majority of the things/details that the Bible teaches us about it)?

Thanks!

~Deut
The Holy Spirit is what draws us to Christ. It is what makes us commit to follow him. Refusing that is what all these passages about unpardonable sin are about. Now if you wish to argue that then it is your turn to say what you feel the unpardonable sin is.
 

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You’ll get no argument from me about gluttony not being sinful, I simply do not believe it is normally sinful in the sense of being a defiant, intentional sin against God.
Every sin is being defiant, intentional against God. It’s the very definition of sin.
 

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no one would be 'breaking the Law' by over-eating at a family gathering once or twice a year -
on the other hand, 'gluttony', deliberate self-abuse at the cost of one's life would definitely
be a sin-ful thing to do; against oneself and more importantly, against Jesus, The One who
has asked us to honor our temples...
 

Adstar

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I never said homosexuality could not be forgaven. I am not Fred Phelps or Steven Anderson

Well that's a good thing.. Yes believing Jesus and trusting in the atonement He secured for ones sins will see to it a homosexual believer will be forgiven their sins too..
 

CS1

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Well that's a good thing.. Yes believing Jesus and trusting in the atonement He secured for ones sins will see to it a homosexual believer will be forgiven their sins too.
there is no such thing as a 'homosexual believer". That is an oxymoron. If they are a believer in Christ they are not homosexual anymore. Jesus saved them from the sin, not in the sin.
 

Embankment

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no one would be 'breaking the Law' by over-eating at a family gathering once or twice a year -
on the other hand, 'gluttony', deliberate self-abuse at the cost of one's life would definitely
be a sin-ful thing to do; against oneself and more importantly, against Jesus, The One who
has asked us to honor our temples...
How about what Jesus says here.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
 

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How about what Jesus says here.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

What does Jesus teach the hypocrites about the three principles they overlooked while they applied the law to others? Mercy, faith and justice? Apply these to what you have posted, and you will be giving the mercy you would receive come the great and glorious day of the Lord, amen.