Can be gay and a Christian?

[JaumeJ]

We all have experienced the angel mentioned in the quotation below, all who know Jesus. Blessed be the Salvation of Jesus, Yeshua, amen.

Isa 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

 

[CS1]

Rahab, a prostitute, is in the line of Jesus Christ's geneaology. It would seem that is quite an honor for a sinner. Oh, right, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Our deeds are as filthy rags but Jesus Christ washes us all in His precious Blood, even the sins of a prostitute..........

Again, refer to the opening declarations of David, an adulterer, a merderer, and perhaps more.........His guilt was not held against him although God would not allow David to build God's Temple in Jerusalem because God saw him as having "blood guilt."

The only sin that is not or may not be pardonable is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

All too many people who claim they love are quick to hunt witches of any stature disregtarding the teachings mentioned right here and taught by our Lord and Savior, Jesus, Yeshua.

If you do not mete out mercy to others, how can you ever expect mercy for yourself. This i snot sarcasms, this is love in passing on the Word.

a prositute in his genealogy should speak to his saving power and who so ever will come HE will not cast out. the sin goes the person is saved. And that prostitute had faith in God . can you show me were she staed a WHORE after the work of God and her confession? None. man will remember her sin but the Word testifys to her faith in God. which one is praise worthy?

 

[CS1]

Hi CS1, sorry about the fairly extensive thread drift. My last several posts were in reply to a thought that was posited by Embankment (back in his post #8) concerning the unpardonable sin: https://christianchat.com/threads/can-be-gay-and-a-christian.179129/post-3702646

I will do my best to return to the focus of the OP instead in any further posts.

Thanks!

~Deut

No problem you are most welcome .

 

[JaumeJ]

Rahab was saved, along with her family that came into her home during the Israeli invasion, after the fall of the wall.

She also spoke of the things God did for Israel as far as of the move from Egypt through the Reed Sea on dry footing.

I will not pass judgment on anyone, good or bad, but I do think in terms of all things beautiful and good from God.

 

[JaumeJ]

About Rahab, my point in posting about "sinners" is simple, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

All too many who claime to love their enemies and their brethren in Christ are also all to read y to select sin that cannot be pardonned. They are judges and not sharing the mercy they have received, holding the sinsof others or one specific sin tey perceive, against theindividuals.

None of the merciless attitude described here is taught by Jesus Christ.

Whether Rahab was "saved" or not is not in question by me for all the line in the genealogy of Jesus Christ, that is in the flesh, wee sinners and fall shsort of the glory of God.

These threads stressing one type of sin or another are simply witch hunting by people who need to justify something within themselves., completely overlooking the justification by the Blood of the Lamb causing us all to be seen as innocent of our sin..Jesus has freed us.

Stop looking for sin in others and pray you be content with your salvation so you may work for the salvation of all souls. This would be being Christ-like. Now, please ask me no more about Rahab's sin, or anyone elses. Again a good study of what the magnitude of God's immeasurable love is would be the life of King David, but there are many ensamples of God's grace and mercy twoards us, sinners all.

The foremost demonstration of God's love for us each and all is the Cross of our Lord, Yeshua, amen.

 

[Adstar]

context; sin is an action and the state of a person without Christ. If a person does a sin that sin is not their identity " homosexual believer" Not the correct way to say it. It would be a believer did a sexual sin. And if one confess thier sin is not Gof FAITHFUL to cleanse them from it? Yes he is. So the idea that we identfy with the sin is wrong. If aperson sins last wekk or what ever and it is the same sin, then they are not repented and God is not mocked. Doing or not doing good deeds has nothing to do withmy salvation. Sining tell of my relationship with God if I am continuing to do the same sin after knowing it is wrong and do it, I have a heart issue.

Well to me salvation comes through being forgiven sins through the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. And no one ever ceases to sin so i guess everyone has a ""heart issue"" what ever that means...

 

[NayborBear]

Well to me salvation comes through being forgiven sins through the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. And no one ever ceases to sin so i guess everyone has a ""heart issue"" what ever that means...

Jeremiah 17:9&10, confirms your "heart issue."
“The heart is more deceitful than anything else
and mortally sick. Who can fathom it?
10 I, Adonai, search the heart;
I test inner motivations;
in order to give to everyone
what his actions and conduct deserve.”

For this/these reasons, I myself, would not "trust" any homosexuals' intentions! AT ALL!

Should they be wanting, or willing to repent? GREAT! Take it up with God! Don't take it up with "me!" For, I can't save you!

I'll certainly pray for you! But, I won't "pray/prey" with you! For, this is what I believe these homo's are looking for! PREY!

Sounds rather cold and heartless don't it? How about when compared to the constant "de-frocking" of GOD'S Throne? Still sound so cold and heartless?

Matter of fact? I just prayed all homo's would come unto repentance! NOW! Take it up with HIM! Dunno how to pray? Just talk! That's all it takes!

 

[Adstar]

Should they be wanting, or willing to repent? GREAT! Take it up with God! Don't take it up with "me!" For, I can't save you!

I'll certainly pray for you! But, I won't "pray/prey" with you! For, this is what I believe these homo's are looking for! PREY!

Sounds rather cold and heartless don't it? How about when compared to the constant "de-frocking" of GOD'S Throne? Still sound so cold and heartless?

Matter of fact? I just prayed all homo's would come unto repentance! NOW! Take it up with HIM! Dunno how to pray? Just talk! That's all it takes!

I never said i was a homosexual...

I am not a homosexual...

And you cannot save anyone.. Only God can save sinners. through the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

Actually i do not engage in public prayer..Jesus told me to pray in secret and not in public..

""""de-frocking of God's throne""" ??? What is that all about.. Why do people talk in strange unclear code???

Oh and i know how to pray.. I am a Christian..

 

[CS1]

Well to me salvation comes through being forgiven sins through the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ... And no one ever ceases to sin so I guess everyone has a ""heart issue"" whatever that means...

you don't have to guess if you are engaged and find yourself still actively sinning in homosexuality you have an issue and it is a heart issue. We cannot use the grace of God as a fire escape. You have either repented or not God is not mocked. We all do sin because we like the sin we do. Being honest is part of actually repenting. Whatever does that mean? Read what Jesus said about the heart in Matthew 5, 6, and 7. it's what in your heat that one gravitates to. there is no such thing as a gay Christian. make all the excuses you want. if you are having a gay relationship and think it's ok or God winks your wrong.

 

[CS1]

I never said i was a homosexual...

I am not a homosexual...

And you cannot save anyone.. Only God can save sinners. through the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

Actually, i do not engage in public prayer. Jesus told me to pray in secret and not in public.

""""de-frocking of God's throne""" ??? What is that all about.. Why do people talk in strange unclear code???

Oh and i know how to pray.. I am a Christian.

you are taking out of context much. When Jesus said to pray in secret he did not mean all prayer is done in secret. Jesus prayed with His disciples, the Book of Acts records the early church prayed corporately. IT is yet again the motive of one's heart as to why they are praying. Jesus was speaking about the Pharisees who loved to stand and publicly pray for praise from men, Jesus said they have their reward. And you're wrong about atonement too.

 

[NayborBear]

I never said i was a homosexual...

I am not a homosexual...

And you cannot save anyone.. Only God can save sinners. through the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

Actually i do not engage in public prayer..Jesus told me to pray in secret and not in public..

""""de-frocking of God's throne""" ??? What is that all about.. Why do people talk in strange unclear code???

Oh and i know how to pray.. I am a Christian..

The answer is simple! Update your "algorithms!"

I do not recall "accusing" you of anything!

I did however, shed some "light" upon your comment wondering about "heart matters."

If you chose to think I was somehow "insinuating" that you were a homo?

Again! Update your algorithms!

 

[Adstar]

you don't have to guess if you are engaged and find yourself still actively sinning in homosexuality you have an issue and it is a heart issue. We cannot use the grace of God as a fire escape. You have either repented or not God is not mocked. We all do sin because we like the sin we do. Being honest is part of actually repenting. Whatever does that mean? Read what Jesus said about the heart in Matthew 5, 6, and 7. it's what in your heat that one gravitates to. there is no such thing as a gay Christian. make all the excuses you want. if you are having a gay relationship and think it's ok or God winks your wrong.

So repented to you means that a person has ceased sinning..

So if you ever sin one more sin ever again then by your own definition you have not repented and as such you will not be able to use the grace of God as a ""fire escape"" Looks like you have just condemned yourself by your own preaching.. Unless you are going to step forward a lie and tell everyone that you have ceased sinning and never sin anymore.. And since that will be a liue then you will show that you have not repented from telling lies.. I guess you are caught up in your own works salvation web CS1

 

[JaumeJ]

So repented to you means that a person has ceased sinning..

So if you ever sin one more sin ever again then by your own definition you have not repented and as such you will not be able to use the grace of God as a ""fire escape"" Looks like you have just condemned yourself by your own preaching.. Unless you are going to step forward a lie and tell everyone that you have ceased sinning and never sin anymore.. And since that will be a liue then you will show that you have not repented from telling lies.. I guess you are caught up in your own works salvation web CS1

Here am
I, butting in...... I wanted to share my experience of repeting.

It happened in an instant while in prayer. When I realized God is all, I turned from the creation to Him.

Now like you and all, I am in the world of this age, but not of it. It becomes more apparent with time, though I have been aware since that moment I knew God is All, wonderful, amen.

Ps.......NO ONE IS SINLESS UNTIL gOD SAYS HE IS SINLESS. (gRAMMATICALLY HE MAY BE USED TO INCLUDE ALL HUMANS, SO WOMAN ARE MADE EQUAL BY THIS USAGE ALSO.)

 

[JustFaith]

Can one sin and still be a Christian? Just wondering.

Yes thats God's amazing Grace. He gives you eternal life not temporal life and you shall never perish.. when? When you BELIEVE the gospel. Its says you're sealed with the Holy spirit until the day of redemption not until you commit sin. OSAS, so a gay or a lesbian can continue in homosexuality and still be saved. Just dont use your liberty for the occasion to the flesh (but many do and are chastened even unto sleep (physical death) God does want us to live Holy lives so he can bless us here on earth but that is not a requirement of salvation. To believe the gospel you must not believe in vain ie adding works or conditions (mixing law and grace) bc then it is of no effect. Many people have a form of Godliness but deny the power
1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

[CS1]

So repented to you means that a person has ceased sinning..

So if you ever sin one more sin ever again then by your own definition you have not repented and as such you will not be able to use the grace of God as a ""fire escape"" Looks like you have just condemned yourself by your own preaching.. Unless you are going to step forward a lie and tell everyone that you have ceased sinning and never sin anymore.. And since that will be a liue then you will show that you have not repented from telling lies.. I guess you are caught up in your own works salvation web CS1

that is a false narrative " So repented to you means that a person has ceased sinning". No that is is not what I said at all. You read into my statement by the biases you have in your Biblical understanding.
Sin is two things, two.

1. the state of all persons without salvation in Christ aka "sinners" born into sin and have the nature to sin. All have sinned an fallen short of the Glory of God Rom 3:23.

2. wilful disobedience after coming to the understanding of Gods Law or standard.

The argument of the Christian saved, a born-again person does not sin is not what I see in the bible. The Christian will as they are in the Sanctification process will " Grow in the Grace and Knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen." 2 Peter 3:18

In that growth and coming to the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ they will not have a continued struggle with the same sin. The only reason why we continue to do the act of sin after being saved is that we have not turned over that part of our Heart to the Lord. This is a very serious place to be, the contrast too is seen biblically read Matthew 5:27-29

Jesus is saying to deal with a "sin " in your heart in Matthew 5:27-29 that"sin" in adultery. Jesus is showing if you do not deal with sin that has you like drunkness, sexual sin, and others sin you wilfully do, that sin will deal with you.

one type of sin should not be holding you captive if it is? Then we have an issue with our heart as Jesus has said in Matthew 5, Mark 9, and Matthew 18:9.

You are hung up on OSAS or you can lose your salvation foolisness.

The main problem with sin in peoples lives is they love what they do over obeying what God said not to do.

Now to answer your assertion" Does CS1 sin"? yes he does sin has sinned, will sin. Does Cs1 sin in the context of drunkness? no. I have the victory Christ has set me free. Does CS1 have an issue with porno? No Christ has set me free. Now if CS1 after Christ has set me free enters into a whore house or a bar and then engages in sexual sin and drunkness what was the sin that I did first?

it does not matter the sin was disobedience by not listening to the Holy Spirit who will tell you not to go. But if I go anyway and not heed to the prompting of the Holy Spirit that is an issue with my heart. Stop blaming other things when the issue is the heart of the person. when Christian say we are not without sin what they mean is We will continue to do the very same kinds of sin that Christ saved us from because of the flesh .

Wrong you can have victory over sin in your life , you do not have to be a saved homosexual you can come to The Lord and Give him your wicked heart and seperate yourself from the places that cause you to not have full assured victory.

 

[NayborBear]

So repented to you means that a person has ceased sinning..

So if you ever sin one more sin ever again then by your own definition you have not repented and as such you will not be able to use the grace of God as a ""fire escape"" Looks like you have just condemned yourself by your own preaching.. Unless you are going to step forward a lie and tell everyone that you have ceased sinning and never sin anymore.. And since that will be a liue then you will show that you have not repented from telling lies.. I guess you are caught up in your own works salvation web CS1

This is not true Adstar! What "happens" when one commits a sin one has repented of, is that he, is corrected! It is up to each of us, in recognizing this "correcting!"

One way I have come to recognize "correction", is when I start realizing that "something" that was there, isn't there anymore. And, something else has replaced it!

That's when I pray, and ask, what it was I did, or said, or went! Back-tracking, to where it was this occured! Asking forgiveness? And being forgiven! For, you see? Our Father is very slow to anger, and quick in forgiveness, for those who are earnestly seeking Him!

He knows we ain't perfect! He knows where we are in this current earth/heaven age! He knows our weaknesses! And trust me, when I say this! He also knows where and how hard to push our "hot buttons!"

Proverbs 3:
11 My son, despise not the chastening of the Lord; neither be weary of his correction:
12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

 

[DiscipleDave]

The correct answer would be NO! (1 Cor. 6:9-11)

Yet some people think you could:

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It is sad how deceived somebody can be.

Really? So you can show me Scriptures that teach "Who you are attracted to" is what is sinful and against God? Can you show any verse? That answer is "NO". Scriptures are quite clear that the act of Homosexual deeds are what is an abomination, NOT who you are attracted to.

Know you not that Heterosexual / Homosexual / Bi-sexual are only titles given to a person depending on who they are attracted to? Tell me something. i am Heterosexual is that a sin? Is being a Heterosexual a sin? That answer is "NO" But if i act upon it NOT being married than it is a sin. NOTE, not being Heterosexual is what is sinful, but acting upon it, that is what is sinful.

i will tell you the TRUTH, a man who has premarital sex with a female, commits the same sin in God's eyes from a man who has a sex with another man. Both commit sin against God, and it has nothing to do with who they are attracted to.

i am attracted to the opposite sex. That makes me classified as a Heterosexual. i have been celibate for over 10 years. But i am still a Heterosexual, even though i do not practice any kind of sex with the opposite sex. i am classified as a Heterosexual because i am attracted to the opposite sex. Even though i practice no sex. A homosexual is classified as such because they are attracted to the same sex. That is not a sin whatsoever. Now if that person has a sexual relation with the same sex, they commit sin against God. Even as a Heterosexual who has a sexual relation with the opposite sex, not being married to them, also commits sin against God.

Can a Homosexual be a Christian, most certainly. Can a Homosexual go to Heaven, most certainly.
Can a Heterosexual be a Christian, most certainly. Can a Heterosexual go to Heaven, most certainly.
People wake up, it's now who you are attracted to that is sinful, it is the ACT that is against God and is what is sinful.

There are absolutely NO Scriptures that teach "Who you are attracted to" is what is considered sinful. Those who teach such things, are teaching a doctrine of the Nicoliatans. Teaching things that are sinful, which God does NOT say are sinful. Woe to anyone who condemns others, when God Himself does not even condemn them. Believe the Word of God, NOT what men teach.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Christians do fail and sin all the time, but most seem to forget that being gay or homosexual has a particular application of the word of God which goes above and beyond just a believer sinning....The bible is clear, homosexuals have reached the end of the proverbial rope and God states clearly that he has GIVEN THEM OVER to a reprobate MIND void of spiritual judgment and that the only thing to expect is the judgment of God.....Romans teaches this.....also we forget that God did extend mercy to David as a saved child of God even though he committed murder and adultery....under the law he should of died, yet was spared and chastened and at the same time we see God burning 4 of 5 cities of the plain to the ground in his wrath against homosexuality and going after strange flesh<--JUDE....I personally believe sex with animals was involved as well......

The Bible is clear that the Homosexual ACT is what is sinful. YOU add that being a homosexual (which merely means you are attracted to the same sex) is what is sinful too. This Scriptures does not do.

This generation would do well to believe what the Word of God actually says and teaches, not believe what people teach the Word of God should mean.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

The ONLY unpardonable sin is not believing in Jesus. If any other sin separated us from God. We would ALL be destined to hell.

Many are on the broad and wide path that leads to destruction, but because narrow and difficult is the path that leads to life everlasting, there only will be a very few who will find that path.

Many think they are on that narrow and difficult path, even though they live in easy Christianity, and cheap grace.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[dcontroversal]

The Bible is clear that the Homosexual ACT is what is sinful. YOU add that being a homosexual (which merely means you are attracted to the same sex) is what is sinful too. This Scriptures does not do.

This generation would do well to believe what the Word of God actually says and teaches, not believe what people teach the Word of God should mean.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

Dave, you have already proven to most that your views fall way short of correct.....I never said one word concerning what you accuse me of....not to mention the words of Jesus himself prove your stance false....If you THINK IT, YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE IT.....GO LEARN THE WORD OF GOD MAN!!