Can deity die?

[Isdaniel]

The man went to paradise which was Abrahams bosom. If you read the parable of the rich and poor man you shall see this. When Jesus died and commended his spiritmto the father he hadn't ascended above the heavens yet. He still had to go take the keys from satan and also minister to the people in hell for 3 days. If you remember the prophets before Jesus coming fortold of his coming. See God was God of Isreal and no other nation but the plan of God was to bring Jesus, which is God in his own right, and connect all nations to God. So evrrybody who died before Jesus coming was given a chance to leave with him when he left from hell and ascended to above the heavens.

How did Jesus preach to these spirits in prison?

Some think that this verse means that when Christ died on the cross that he went to hel and preached to the spirits in prison. However the word hades or hell is not in the text. Let’s take the verse slowly and see what it means…
One of the keys is verse 18-19 which says
” being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,” the question is who is the individual mentioned in the words “by whom” found in verse 19?
If you read the verse it says “by the Spirit, 19 by whom” Thus the “by whom” is the Holy Spirit. So with that in mind the verse says the following that Christ by the Holy Spirit “went and preached to the spirits in prison”. OK that makes it a little clearer. But that begs the question…
Q: When did Christ preach to these individuals by the Holy Spirit?

The verse says that Christ by the Holy Spirit “went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient,” when? The verse states ” when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.”
So Christ by the Holy Spirit preached to the spirits in prison in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared. Thus this happened before Jesus came as a man.

 

[Isdaniel]

NWL please tell me what part of a man dies ?

 

[NWL]

What part of a man dies ?

It is my belief that when you die your body dies, and that sou/life dissipates (soul = life force). Death is the opposite to life, it makes no sense that when you die you carry on living with an immortal soul, the Bible does not teach this. It simply says you are thoughtless upon death.

(Psalm 146:4) "...His [spirit/life] goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish..." (red is mine)

(Ezekiel 18:4) "...he soul that is sinning—it itself will die..."

The same goes for Jesus, Jesus died, and on the third day he was raised, plain and simple just as the Bible says it. I personally like the way the verse below says it;

(Ecclesiastes 3:19) "...for there is an outcome* for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome.+ As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit.+ So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile.20 All are going to the same place.+ They all come from the dust,+ and they all are returning to the dust..."

 

[Isdaniel]

The man went to paradise which was Abrahams bosom. If you read the parable of the rich and poor man you shall see this. When Jesus died and commended his spiritmto the father he hadn't ascended above the heavens yet. He still had to go take the keys from satan and also minister to the people in hell for 3 days. If you remember the prophets before Jesus coming fortold of his coming. See God was God of Isreal and no other nation but the plan of God was to bring Jesus, which is God in his own right, and connect all nations to God. So evrrybody who died before Jesus coming was given a chance to leave with him when he left from hell and ascended to above the heavens.

But who are these spirits in prison during the days of Noah?

Well the Bible tells us Satan has “made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities, ” and “did not open the house of his prisoners“. (Isaiah 14:17) Hebrews 12:23
So Satan is the one keeping these prisoners. Prisoners have no freedom. Who is it whom Satan is trying to take captive? Humans of course. Thus, the prisoners are actually humans who are bound to sin. Jesus said “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin” (John 8:34). Slaves are not free, and whoever commits sin is a slave or prisoner to sin, they have no freedom. There is only one who can set us free, “if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.” (John 8:36). Jesus is the only one who can set us free from the prison of sin. This is His mission. One day Jesus stood up to read and He declared of Himself…

“Isaiah 61:1,(Luke 4:18-19)
61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound

Praise be to Jesus who can set us free from the prison of sin!
Therefore, Jesus by the Holy Spirit preached to people who were slaves to sin, during the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared.

Q: Who did Christ by the Holy Spirit use? Giving a warning of a coming prophetic flood?

The Bible tells us that “holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” (2 Peter 1:21) and that “Noah, one of eight people, (was) a preacher of righteousness”. (2 Peter 2:5) Thus 1 Peter 3:18-20 tells us this, that Jesus in His great mercy by the Holy Spirit spoke through Noah, in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared. Striving to redeem those humans in prison to sin, while the ark was being prepared.

Q: Does the rest of the Bible confirm or contradict our interpretation?

It confirms it for it is written speaking during the days of Noah
And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” (Genesis 6:3

 

[john832]

How did Jesus preach to these spirits in prison?

Some think that this verse means that when Christ died on the cross that he went to hel and preached to the spirits in prison. However the word hades or hell is not in the text. Let’s take the verse slowly and see what it means…
One of the keys is verse 18-19 which says
” being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,” the question is who is the individual mentioned in the words “by whom” found in verse 19?
If you read the verse it says “by the Spirit, 19 by whom” Thus the “by whom” is the Holy Spirit. So with that in mind the verse says the following that Christ by the Holy Spirit “went and preached to the spirits in prison”. OK that makes it a little clearer. But that begs the question…
Q: When did Christ preach to these individuals by the Holy Spirit?

The verse says that Christ by the Holy Spirit “went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient,” when? The verse states ” when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.”
So Christ by the Holy Spirit preached to the spirits in prison in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared. Thus this happened before Jesus came as a man.

Very correct here.

 

[oldhermit]

lol. You forgot abraham's bosom.

Paradise and hades was separated by a large gulf before Jesus ascended to his father.

The payment had yet to be made for the sins of th epeople who resided there up to this time. jesus paid the price with his death. Thus allowing paradise to ascend into heaven.

I do not know why we waste our time on this site arguing with JW's. It is pointless. They are not here to learn anything. They are only interested in fostering their Watchtower dogma at the expense of the integrity of the Word if God. It might be better to simply ignore them.

 

[Isdaniel]

It is my belief that when you die your body dies, and that sou/life dissipates (soul = life force). Death is the opposite to life, it makes no sense that when you die you carry on living with an immortal soul, the Bible does not teach this. It simply says you are thoughtless upon death.

(Psalm 146:4) "...His [spirit/life] goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish..." (red is mine)

(Ezekiel 18:4) "...he soul that is sinning—it itself will die..."

The same goes for Jesus, Jesus died, and on the third day he was raised, plain and simple just as the Bible says it. I personally like the way the verse below says it;

(Ecclesiastes 3:19) "...for there is an outcome* for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome.+ As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit.+ So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile.20 All are going to the same place.+ They all come from the dust,+ and they all are returning to the dust..."

i notice you said body and soul
What is the spirit of man ?

 

[Isdaniel]

I do not know why we waste our time on this site arguing with JW's. It is pointless. They are not here to learn anything. They are only interested in fostering their Watchtower dogma at the expense of the integrity of the Word if God. It might be better to simply ignore them.

i honestly think it is helpful for others who may not know about them

I think it is a win win situation hmmm thats just me though but hey i know when to draw the line

 

[oldhermit]

i honestly think it is helpful for others who may not know about them

I think it is a win win situation hmmm thats just me though but hey i know when to draw the line

Perhaps you are right.

 

[secularhermit]

No..........................

Did Jesus die? I have heard He did, and later on (3 days) He was resurrected.

What is dying?

Is it starving or being far (too far) from God?

According to my understanding (what I have learned, not by personal livid experience) Jesus was in Heaven, so He is divine (or a diety) and experienced dead by being torn in two pieces: His Spirit and His body, to utterly go to hell (that one we want to scape).

Jesus, somewhere cited from the Scripture He knew there: "...we are gods..." arguing with those who argued.

Spirits and bodies are going to HELL, same way the O.T. reads on those who were sent, when the ground opened up, eating also their tents and families.

Dieing is des-uniting MIND from the FLESH, the spirit from its physical body. But I havent't had that experience, that one like those who have had NDE (Near Death Experiences).

Lazarus could have written anything about that topic. ..

I haven seen it yet!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is my belief that when you die your body dies, and that sou/life dissipates (soul = life force). Death is the opposite to life, it makes no sense that when you die you carry on living with an immortal soul, the Bible does not teach this. It simply says you are thoughtless upon death.

(Psalm 146:4) "...His [spirit/life] goes out, he goes back to his ground; In that day his thoughts do perish..." (red is mine)

(Ezekiel 18:4) "...he soul that is sinning—it itself will die..."

The same goes for Jesus, Jesus died, and on the third day he was raised, plain and simple just as the Bible says it. I personally like the way the verse below says it;

(Ecclesiastes 3:19) "...for there is an outcome* for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome.+ As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit.+ So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile.20 All are going to the same place.+ They all come from the dust,+ and they all are returning to the dust..."

ecc 3: [SUP]21 [/SUP]Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?

Huge difference..

 

[Isdaniel]

Nwl i thought you said you were verse in the bible hmmm i am dropping asleep waiting your answer hmmmm

But hey Jehovah says be patience with all men hmmmm

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not know why we waste our time on this site arguing with JW's. It is pointless. They are not here to learn anything. They are only interested in fostering their Watchtower dogma at the expense of the integrity of the Word if God. It might be better to simply ignore them.

I guess the same reason Paul had to continually argue with the judiazers.

To expose them for what they are.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

You will be very hard pressed to find a Greek text that will support placing the comma after "today". This is an old Watchtower argument that simply will not hold water. It is simply grammatically incorrect. If you have to defy rules of grammar to support your theology then perhaps you need to reconsider your theology.

I don't know about "an old Watchtower argument" but if we really look at it - we may see clearly:

Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise. Couldn't have been "today"/"that day" considering Jesus was in the ground for 3 days (Matt. 27:63; Mark 8:31) and he showed himself unto the disciples for 40 days before Pentecost. . . . he was taken up in a cloud. . .out of their sight (ascension Acts 1:3,8) - Jesus wasn't even taken to paradise "today"/"that day".

 

[Isdaniel]

Did Jesus die? I have heard He did, and later on (3 days) He was resurrected.

What is dying?

Is it starving or being far (too far) from God?

According to my understanding (what I have learned, not by personal livid experience) Jesus was in Heaven, so He is divine (or a diety) and experienced dead by being torn in two pieces: His Spirit and His body, to utterly do to hell (that one we want to scape).

Jesus, somewhere cited from the Scripture He knew there: "...we are gods..." arguing with those who argued.

Spirits and bodies are going to HELL, same way the O.T. reads on those who were sent, when the ground opened up, eating also their tents and families.

Dieing is des-uniting MIND from the FLESH, the spirit from its physical body. But I havent't had that experience, that one like those who have had NDE (Near Death Experiences).

Lazarus could have written anything about that topic. ..

I haven seen it yet!

Just a thought when Ezikiel and John got there revelation were they taken out ther body in the spirit hmmm just a thought

 

[Isdaniel]

I don't know about "an old Watchtower argument" but if we really look at it - we may see clearly:

Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise. Couldn't have been "today"/"that day" considering Jesus was in the ground for 3 days (Matt. 27:63; Mark 8:31) and he showed himself unto the disciples for 40 days before Pentecost. . . . he was taken up in a cloud. . .out of their sight (ascension Acts 1:3,8) - Jesus wasn't even taken to paradise "today"/"that day".

well said a 100000 times like this

 

[Isdaniel]

I don't know about "an old Watchtower argument" but if we really look at it - we may see clearly:

Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise. Couldn't have been "today"/"that day" considering Jesus was in the ground for 3 days (Matt. 27:63; Mark 8:31) and he showed himself unto the disciples for 40 days before Pentecost. . . . he was taken up in a cloud. . .out of their sight (ascension Acts 1:3,8) - Jesus wasn't even taken to paradise "today"/"that day".

i always wonder what is the purpose of preaching the resurection for if the theif went there already

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't know about "an old Watchtower argument" but if we really look at it - we may see clearly:

Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise. Couldn't have been "today"/"that day" considering Jesus was in the ground for 3 days (Matt. 27:63; Mark 8:31) and he showed himself unto the disciples for 40 days before Pentecost. . . . he was taken up in a cloud. . .out of their sight (ascension Acts 1:3,8) - Jesus wasn't even taken to paradise "today"/"that day".

I would disagree. If he was not in parades on that day, he lied. And if he lied, he sinned. And if he sinned. We are all doomed to hell. And he did not go to paradise on that day, but to hades, where he is waiting on the final judgment where he will be condemned as a sinner right beside us.


Lucky for us, He did rise. And God rose him from the dead. proving to us, God did accept his sacrifice in full.

 

[iamsoandso]

Thanks for responding.

Logically and by your answer I don't believe that you think we are all Gods too just because we are his same image. So i'm guessing that your answer was a no we're not all Gods in regard to my question. If us being "one with the Father doesn't make us Godsin the flesh, then how can you claim that since Jesus is one with God that makes him God in the flesh? It makes no sense, your basing your reasoning on half truths.

Can't you see where your reasoning fails iamsoandso or do you want to carry on blindly with you false teachings?

your body is the temple made without hands(Christ in you and the father in the inner most holy),,,,Christ the son and the father "inside of him",,,,"let us make man in our own image",,,,,this is what he prayed for,that the father in him(Christ in you),would also be in your body/temple,,,,,,,he is the lord of,,,,,,"host",

 

[Isdaniel]

i think i go take a break Nwl are you writing an essay
are you saying man is body + soul alone
What is the spirit of man ?
Is his spirit different from his soul ?