Can God be tempted? How well do we truly know Jesus Christ?
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He actually faced it in the form of man so he felt the pull just like we do e difference is he overcame.
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
Hebrews 4:15 KJV
the Thing is mankind had been beaten down by temptation and sin we lost the fight Jesus came as one of us bearing mans weaknesses of the flesh and he went to war for us he did what no man could he went into the arena as a man subject to the law just like us and overcame it
Jesus wasn’t on auto pilot his life was hard he constantly prayed for strength because he was in the form of man not God when he came he came as a man became just like we are and went through a normal humble human life as a Israelite carpenter until he began preaching the gospel
“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:17-18 KJV
temptation in the ot was exclusive to mankind but it had overcome us we had lost. So he came as one of us to overcome it and take the victory Jesus life was a hard battle he earned his glory
This is what he did for us he took our place and fought our fight and faces our struggles
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:”
Philippians 2:6-9 KJV
Jesus is the hero it wasn’t that he costed through life on his rep he went to war with Satan and was subjected to temptation just like we are he had to overcome it so we can in him
You can see Jesus humanity shine through at times and literally see his struggle he just always won and did the right thing even though he faced it like we do he obeyed always
one of the points you can see his struggle is going to the cross his humanity feared what was ahead
“And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.”
Mark 14:34-36 KJV
Jesus actively chose Gods Will even though he did struggle with himanities fears and stresses and temptations everything we go through so did he and he did it to perfection
“For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.”
Hebrews 4:15 KJV
the Thing is mankind had been beaten down by temptation and sin we lost the fight Jesus came as one of us bearing mans weaknesses of the flesh and he went to war for us he did what no man could he went into the arena as a man subject to the law just like us and overcame it
Jesus wasn’t on auto pilot his life was hard he constantly prayed for strength because he was in the form of man not God when he came he came as a man became just like we are and went through a normal humble human life as a Israelite carpenter until he began preaching the gospel
“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:17-18 KJV
temptation in the ot was exclusive to mankind but it had overcome us we had lost. So he came as one of us to overcome it and take the victory Jesus life was a hard battle he earned his glory
This is what he did for us he took our place and fought our fight and faces our struggles
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:”
Philippians 2:6-9 KJV
Jesus is the hero it wasn’t that he costed through life on his rep he went to war with Satan and was subjected to temptation just like we are he had to overcome it so we can in him
You can see Jesus humanity shine through at times and literally see his struggle he just always won and did the right thing even though he faced it like we do he obeyed always
one of the points you can see his struggle is going to the cross his humanity feared what was ahead
“And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.
And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.
And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.”
Mark 14:34-36 KJV
Jesus actively chose Gods Will even though he did struggle with himanities fears and stresses and temptations everything we go through so did he and he did it to perfection
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Right. I need someone who can fully restore my heart, which is what the Trinity does. God is responsible for Circumcising my heart. The Holy Spirit is responsible for Circumcising my heart. Jesus is responsible for Circumcising my heart. How can One Circumcise another's heart unless the Grantor's heart was hardened like stone?
Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - "And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."
Romans 2:29 NLT - "No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people."
Colossians 2:11 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature."
Seriously, this stuff is so clear that for anyone to reject it is merely playing psych games with us. At some point, we must give up and let these people be. At some point, we must conclude that the Lord has not Chosen them . . . yet. But still, we must walk away.
John 15:16 NKJV - "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."
Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - "And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."
Romans 2:29 NLT - "No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people."
Colossians 2:11 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature."
Seriously, this stuff is so clear that for anyone to reject it is merely playing psych games with us. At some point, we must give up and let these people be. At some point, we must conclude that the Lord has not Chosen them . . . yet. But still, we must walk away.
John 15:16 NKJV - "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."
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If your objective is to continue to communicate in a juvenile way, I would appreciate it. I think you're forgetting that we are speaking of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in front of the entire world. This is an open, public forum. If you plan on playing around like a kid on the playground, count me out.
Phil 2:7-8
"But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
You can interpret this any way you choose! I believe that when Christ entered into a new state of being (man) He gave up, set aside His power as God while never ceasing to be God.
He became the suffering servant for mankind to undo what Adam had done to this world through sin. Therefore He became man with all problems of man, but on a much higher degree. Satan attacked Him as no other man has ever been attacked. Yet He was found with no sin.
Jesus was God and man, He could not set aside His deity, He was God and nothing could change that, but He could set aside His power as God and become the suffering servant, the Second Adam for mankind to deliver us from sin.
I am convinced that Christ used none of His own God-like powers in His 33 1/2 years, but relied wholly on the Holy Spirit for all things. Although He could have but did not.
What Christ knew and what He did came from the third member of the Triune God, the Holy Spirit. I actually believe that Christ could not die until He was told by the Holy Spirit the moment has come, you can now die!
When Christ rose from the dead He took back His power as God. He had completed what He came to do.
"But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
You can interpret this any way you choose! I believe that when Christ entered into a new state of being (man) He gave up, set aside His power as God while never ceasing to be God.
He became the suffering servant for mankind to undo what Adam had done to this world through sin. Therefore He became man with all problems of man, but on a much higher degree. Satan attacked Him as no other man has ever been attacked. Yet He was found with no sin.
Jesus was God and man, He could not set aside His deity, He was God and nothing could change that, but He could set aside His power as God and become the suffering servant, the Second Adam for mankind to deliver us from sin.
I am convinced that Christ used none of His own God-like powers in His 33 1/2 years, but relied wholly on the Holy Spirit for all things. Although He could have but did not.
What Christ knew and what He did came from the third member of the Triune God, the Holy Spirit. I actually believe that Christ could not die until He was told by the Holy Spirit the moment has come, you can now die!
When Christ rose from the dead He took back His power as God. He had completed what He came to do.
I don't quibble over the words, "in every way". I do make issue over the word, "tempted".
Scripture says that Jesus was tempted. If, in truth, He could not sin, then He was not tempted. I understand that others see this matter very differently, and I don't demean them for their position.
Even if "tested" is the better translation, the issue remains: if He could not fail the test, then it was not a genuine test.
Scripture says that Jesus was tempted. If, in truth, He could not sin, then He was not tempted. I understand that others see this matter very differently, and I don't demean them for their position.
Even if "tested" is the better translation, the issue remains: if He could not fail the test, then it was not a genuine test.
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Here are a few passages referencing the Messiah's condition while down here...
John 17:1-5, 24
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.
5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
^ Past tense. The Messiah didn't have His original glory while He was down here.
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
^ The Father raised Messiah from the dead. He didn't raise Himself.
1 John 4:2
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
^The same flesh from Adam that we have, He received from Mary.
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When we talk about "sinful nature" the proper understanding is Adam's corrupted flesh (i.e. mortal nature), not a corrupt condition of the heart.
As Paul says in Romans 5:12, it's because we die that we sin. A corrupted heart is referring to an "iniquitous heart" (a state or condition), whereas sin isn't a state or condition but an action that is a crime against the Almighty. The Messiah had neither an iniquitous heart nor committed crime against the Almighty...but he had Adam's corrupted flesh.
The following passage is posted with several renderings...
Romans 8:7 NLT
For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will.
Romans 8:7 BSB
because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
Romans 8:7 NIV
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
Romans 8:7 NASB
because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
Romans 8:7 KJV
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
^ The Messiah resisted The flesh that tempted Him to sin (i.e. break Almighty's laws). This is why He - and only He - can mediate for us.
Revelation 3:21
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
^ The Messiah encourages us to overcome as He did.