Can One’s Salvation Be Given Up?

[Judges1318]

It’s essentially preaching two different Gospels. It’s like saying Jesus is two different Saviors. It’s totally erroneous and very easily debunked.

Along the way of hearing him out, he may touch on related things that will open up new light on something and cause you to think about, or rethink, something that will change your view on something.

 

[Aerials1978]

The messages are clearly different. Paul was given an abundance of revelations of things never made known before.

Let’s ponder this, why would Jesus choose a Pharisee to give this new Gospel? Why pour new wine into an old wine skin? Would it make more sense to use a Gentile for this?

 

[John146]

Let’s ponder this, why would Jesus choose a Pharisee to give this new Gospel? Why pour new wine into an old wine skin? Would it make more sense to use a Gentile for this?

Paul was the perfect one to choose being a Jew by nature and yet a Gentile legally as He was a Roman citizen. No one was in comparison to His zeal for God. The Lord counted Paul faithful before his conversion. He was just ignorant of who Jesus Christ really was.

1 Timothy 1
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

 

[Aerials1978]

Along the way of hearing him out, he may touch on related things that will open up new light on something and cause you to think about, or rethink, something that will change your view on something.

I agree he is right about how Jesus spoke of the Kingdom of God to the Jews and Paul Grace to the Gentiles. I think the application of those two are the issue.

Once the claim is made they are totally different, that allows one to pick and choose which scripture to adhere to which ones to dismiss.

 

[John146]

I agree he is right about how Jesus spoke of the Kingdom of God to the Jews and Paul Grace to the Gentiles. I think the application of those two are the issue.

Once the claim is made they are totally different, that allows one to pick and choose which scripture to adhere to which ones to dismiss.

Paul taught the kingdom of God also. It’s the spiritual kingdom that’s within the hearts of believers in Christ. The gospel of the kingdom, however, deals with the kingdom of heaven which is an earthly kingdom promised to the nation of Israel.

Most people are never taught the difference in the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God. They are taught that they must be the same thing since they are mentioned in similar passages.

 

[Aerials1978]

Paul was the perfect one to choose being a Jew by nature and yet a Gentile legally as He was a Roman citizen. No one was in comparison to His zeal for God. The Lord counted Paul faithful before his conversion. He was just ignorant of who Jesus Christ really was.

1 Timothy 1
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

But why use a Jewish Zealot? Since most Gentiles knew nothing of the God of Israel, why not use one of their own? That way there would be a clear distinction.

 

[John146]

But why use a Jewish Zealot? Since most Gentiles knew nothing of the God of Israel, why not use one of their own? That way there would be a clear distinction.

I suppose the Lord foreknew that Paul was the right guy to turn the world upside down for The sake of the gospel. I also believe it was foretold that the Jews would be a light to the Gentiles, so the Lord chose a Jew in Saul. Maybe?

 

[Aerials1978]

Paul taught the kingdom of God also. It’s the spiritual kingdom that’s within the hearts of believers in Christ. The gospel of the kingdom, however, deals with the kingdom of heaven which is an earthly kingdom promised to the nation of Israel.

Most people are never taught the difference in the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God. They are taught that they must be the same thing since they are mentioned in similar passages.

This is were I take exception. Once the lines are drawn, one can make assertions and chose which is truth for them. Why would God want to confuse people? What purpose would that serve?

 

[John146]

But why use a Jewish Zealot? Since most Gentiles knew nothing of the God of Israel, why not use one of their own? That way there would be a clear distinction.

Paul could also use his knowledge of the OT to convince his own kinsmen of Jesus Christ. Remember, he was also sent to the Jews.

 

[Aerials1978]

I suppose the Lord foreknew that Paul was the right guy to turn the world upside down for The sake of the gospel. I also believe it was foretold that the Jews would be a light to the Gentiles, so the Lord chose a Jew in Saul. Maybe?

You have agree that using someone who was not Jewish would be more appropriate if there are two gospels. That way there would be a clear distinction and not to mix the two.

 

[John146]

This is were I take exception. Once the lines are drawn, one can make assertions and chose which is truth for them. Why would God want to confuse people? What purpose would that serve?

Confuse people? What do you mean? It would be confusing if they both meant the same thing and yet, called it two different things. Simply put, the word heaven is not the same as God. God created the heaven. God is a spirit and heaven is a physical place.

 

[Aerials1978]

Paul could also use his knowledge of the OT to convince his own kinsmen of Jesus Christ. Remember, he was also sent to the Jews.

That he did, but he also use OT scripture to speak to the Gentiles. Why would he do that if it had nothing to do with their salvation?

 

[John146]

You have agree that using someone who was not Jewish would be more appropriate if there are two gospels. That way there would be a clear distinction and not to mix the two.

But in the Church age, there is but one gospel, the gospel of the grace of God. Paul was a chosen vessel to reveal this gospel to the Jews, the Gentiles and to kings.

 

[John146]

That he did, but he also use OT scripture to speak to the Gentiles. Why would he do that if it had nothing to do with their salvation?

All the shadows and types point to Jesus. It’s NT revelation.

 

[John146]

But in the Church age, there is but one gospel, the gospel of the grace of God. Paul was a chosen vessel to reveal this gospel to the Jews, the Gentiles and to kings.

The gospel of the kingdom is not to be preached in the Church age. It will go back into effect in the tribulation. The kingdom will be at hand once again.

 

[Aerials1978]

Confuse people? What do you mean? It would be confusing if they both meant the same thing and yet, called it two different things. Simply put, the word heaven is not the same as God. God created the heaven. God is a spirit and heaven is a physical place.

Basically God would be two different Gods. One God for Jews and One God for Gentiles. Scripture never alluded to this. I think that would cause mass confusion. Not to mention it would go against the fact that we are all equal in Christ

 

[Aerials1978]

But in the Church age, there is but one gospel, the gospel of the grace of God. Paul was a chosen vessel to reveal this gospel to the Jews, the Gentiles and to kings.

This is where the lines become blurred. Paul would have had to carried the burden of multiple truths. God only has one truth, and that is Jesus. That applies to Jews and Gentiles the same. Jesus’s never told the Jewish’s that he would establish a physical Kingdom during His time on Earth. That Kingdom will come for both in due time.

 

[Aerials1978]

All the shadows and types point to Jesus. It’s NT revelation.

That is correct, but why would that matter to Gentiles?

 

[John146]

Basically God would be two different Gods. One God for Jews and One God for Gentiles. Scripture never alluded to this. I think that would cause mass confusion. Not to mention it would go against the fact that we are all equal in Christ

Even after resurrection, shortly before the Lord’s ascension, the disciples were still looking for the kingdom to be restored.

Acts 1
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

 

[John146]

This is where the lines become blurred. Paul would have had to carried the burden of multiple truths. God only has one truth, and that is Jesus. That applies to Jews and Gentiles the same. Jesus’s never told the Jewish’s that he would establish a physical Kingdom during His time on Earth. That Kingdom will come for both in due time.

Almost all prophesies point to the physical restoration of Israel’s kingdom. The truth of the cross was a mystery.