Can Someone Explain Rev. 12:1-6 to Me?

[peterT]

> No. We have a problem with you getting in the way of people finding the gate to salvation by sniping your brothers in Christ when they engage in teaching and evangelism simply because some of their epistemology and conclusions disagree with your own interpretation.

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Bro you talk a lot of rubbish, just a lot of religious nonsense.


That’s not getting in the way of peoples salvation its just reprove and rebuke.

2Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

You don’t like my attitude.?

Did I turn the tables upside down?

Or make a whip and whip them of the temple.?

Or say your father was the devil?

Or say get behind me Satan ?

No none of these things, your just making stuff up Bro, religious nonsense

 

[Therapon]

Those verses you used were to the Apostles only and they finished that work. So i wont go there at all.

I just realized what you were saying in your post and your stated position could hurt an important ministry of the Church. Over the years I’ve worked with over a hundred demonized Christians and by the grace of God, was able to lead many of them to freedom in Jesus. While doing so, I usually had to bind the demon or demons to silence in the mind of the demonized person.

That went something like this, “In the name of Jesus Christ who is come in the flesh, all evil spirits in the mind of (persons name) you are commanded to remain totally silent in (his/her) mind unless commanded to speak.” Sometimes you even have to commend the evil spirits to loose their control of the demonized person’s physical body.

According to you, Christians of today no longer have that authority, so I guess we better stop binding the demons in demonized believers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

On a sierras note.

The woman is the church that flees into the wilderness for the last 1260 days or 3 ½ years.

and the remnant of her seed is the rest of the church that doesn’t flee into the wilderness, and goes through the great tribulation and loves not their lives unto there death.

The woman and the remnant of her seed are one, because there is only one body the church.

One baptism, one body, one spiritual drink.

No no no. The church did not give birth to Christ, Christ gave birth to the church. The woman is who gave birth to Christ. thus it would be abraham isaac and jacob and his 12 sons and their literal families who go into the wilderness. Just as prophesied in the OT. This is the time of Jacobs trouble, not the churches trouble

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All of the demographic statistics and indicators support your theory therapon. All of them. Not only is Islam expanding around the globe but it's simultaneously morphing into a much more virulent fundamentalist false religious system based primarily on the modern society defined as Jahiliyyah and the "need" for a vanguard to re-Islamize society. Not a good combination!

The problem Therepon has is Islam has no real military or power. Your not going to take control of the world and control finances by a bunch of unlearned suicide bombers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank you sir, and what's really frightening is that the evangelical Church is not in the fight, but remains sound asleep on the sidelines.

Its ok. God is in control.. or do you not trust him?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you kidden? The majority of this country is going along with zionism with Islam as the badguys
listen to them yell "nuke em" where have you been?

And what is the fight? What do you suggest they do? Sidelines? Explain what you mean please.

what country. I meet hundreds of people a year. and I know no one going for either of these two things.. In Fact I never heard of these theories until I came into this chat room.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So whose fault is it? Jesus either actually made us the kings or priests of the Christian era or he didn’t, so I ask you: did He or not, true or false? But the western churches have become a gaggle of social clubs, at the sight of which the martyrs of the Middle Ages would gag. We have forgotten how to teach the unvarnished Gospel or bind the enemy through prayer.

As a result, Islam is our fault!

OK. I have heard about everything now.. Islam would have came no matter what we did.. people stop blaming other people for our own faults.. That is why this world is going downhill..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I wasn't claiming divine inspiration, brother, LOL If my senile brain remembers correctly, the canon was closed by 300 A.D.

actually it was closed by the time the last author penned his last word..

long before 300 Ad (rolls eyes)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Abiding, this isn't even related to war, these are every day experiences for these people (Christian families and individuals being shot, burned alive, beaten to a pulp, raped etc.). My family and I read the Barnabas Fund devotionals regularly and the majority of violent persecution is from Muslims. It's horrifying!

seems like Christians are getting back what they dished out for many years.. of this i will say it might be the churhces fault. the roman church and her iron fist caused many problems for true christians.

 

[Tintin]

Most of these countries being persecuted have nothing to do with and never did have anything to do with the Roman church.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Most of these countries being persecuted have nothing to do with and never did have anything to do with the Roman church.

the roman church fought this Islam movement and killed many in the name of God. that is what the crucades were. they even fought over control of Jerusalem. the church lost. that is why there is a dome of the rock there.

Now. before we get into "I told you so, we should have fought harder to prevent islam. God never told us to fight, he told us to go out and spread the gospel. he would fight the battles for us, and open the doors for us.. if people did not believe,m walk away, and wipe the dust off our feet. Not jail them, Take all their money away, Take their land away, Jail them, or even kill them.. all of which the roman church did for hundreds of years. Not just against islam and other religions. but against christians, because they did not believe the way rome did.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I am following 2 Timothy 4:2 in reproving you but also Matthew 18:16 by showing you your fault. You are rejecting the reproof and maintaining your ungodly behavior of verbal abuse of the brethren. In fact, you are expanding it. So it's time to take it to the next step as per scriptural admonition.

And, I mean no offense in pointing this out, but there's clearly a reason for this:

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peterT has not made any friends yet

In closing, I'll direct you to these verses as further reproof meant for your edification:

Romans 12:10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves.

> Fail. peterT, you have failed to honor your Christian brethren above yourself choosing to elevate yourself above them to judge and condemn them.

Romans 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.

> Fail. peterT, you are not in harmony with your Christian brethren and are displaying unscriptural pride and conceit.

Ephesians 4:2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.

> Fail. peterT, you have been anything but humble, gentle, patient, nor loving toward the Christian victims of your verbal abuse.

Etc...

Bro you talk a lot of rubbish, just a lot of religious nonsense.


That’s not getting in the way of peoples salvation its just reprove and rebuke.

2Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

You don’t like my attitude.?

Did I turn the tables upside down?

Or make a whip and whip them of the temple.?

Or say your father was the devil?

Or say get behind me Satan ?

No none of these things, your just making stuff up Bro, religious nonsense

 

[cfultz3]

Therapon, no worries. Yes, it's disgusting how Muslim people are persecuting (torturing, killing etc. Christians) in other parts of the world, and it's not just extremists. It's a violent religion. I know some peaceful Muslims but I still don't want their laws to be given any air-time, as could be the case in Australia, if we're not careful.

Al Gore just sold his tv station to a Muslim group, we are about to get a taste of that here in the US.

 

[Abiding]

1. All the signs and wonders performed by the apostles in the Gospels and Acts have at one time or another been performed by ordinary brethren throughout the Christian era, so it is an assumption to state that the binding of the enemy of Matthew 16:19 is not included.

2. To say that Islam is not a threat is to deny, not only history, but current events. Everywhere in the world, Christians are being murdered by Muslims. Over the last couple of years, over 2 million Christians and animists in Darfur and the Sudan were murdered by Muslims, many thousands in Nigeria and in other parts of sub-Saharan Africa. Because that level of violence hasn’t happened here yet is just the grace of God, but it’s coming. We have a Moslem president who has just appointed a Muslim as head of the CIA. Senior posts in Homeland Security are filled by Muslims, and that’s a laugh laugh, the foxes
guarding the henhouse, indeed. Some of our courts are even adjudicating by sharia law. Christians in Dearborn Michigan now bemoan the loss of their city to Islam. Two Christians in New Jersey were just beheaded by Muslims. I could go on and on but that should be enough.

1 im saying that binding and loosing ha nothing to do with the enemy. It was so that the apostles could take the church into the new covenant.

2 Never said islam wasnt a threat, i said there are those behind them that are more scary. Question?
Why does the west stand by and just watch? IF we are noble nations all out for freedom and justice, why
isnt any nation or nations standing up? Learn that and youl understand what im getting at.

 

[mark54]

A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.


Who is this referring to? Is it the USA?

Speaking honestly, I wouldn't have a clue who it is referring to, so it is a good job for me my salvation does not depend on knowing such things

 

[Abiding]

I just realized what you were saying in your post and your stated position could hurt an important ministry of the Church. Over the years I’ve worked with over a hundred demonized Christians and by the grace of God, was able to lead many of them to freedom in Jesus. While doing so, I usually had to bind the demon or demons to silence in the mind of the demonized person.

That went something like this, “In the name of Jesus Christ who is come in the flesh, all evil spirits in the mind of (persons name) you are commanded to remain totally silent in (his/her) mind unless commanded to speak.” Sometimes you even have to commend the evil spirits to loose their control of the demonized person’s physical body.

According to you, Christians of today no longer have that authority, so I guess we better stop binding the demons in demonized believers.

Yah Yah Yah. Well that doesnt change the fact that binding and loosing has NOTHING to do with casting out demons.
You just thought it did.

"According to me" ha. According to the word of God. I never said christians cant cast out demons, they can
when the Holyspirit leads in the "Name of Jesus Christ" Its the name that has authority. If you dont understand
that your gona be shouting orders all week. And if your not led by the Holyspirit to do it your accomplishing nothing
and maybe even making things worst.

"The important work of demonized christians" I stand totally against that. Freedom in Christ comes from the
renewing of the mind and the cleansing of the Spirit. Not nutty demon busters.

Binding demons in believers? Yuk! Wind of doctrine, and a very dangerous one also having hurt many these days.

 

[Abiding]

what country. I meet hundreds of people a year. and I know no one going for either of these two things.. In Fact I never heard of these theories until I came into this chat room.

Ok ill take that back then since i hear it here all the time surely doesnt tell me
what everyone in the country believes. Although what i read in news and media
is the same thing. Support Israel at the expense of our relationship with the rest
of the world. And i hear it in church, christian radio...etc Oh well i may have a sheltered life.

 

[mark54]

what country. I meet hundreds of people a year. and I know no one going for either of these two things.. In Fact I never heard of these theories until I came into this chat room.

I'll probably be reprimamnded now. But though I have read the NT continuously, I have only read Revelation four or five times. Most of it
Tis a mystery to me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'll probably be reprimamnded now. But though I have read the NT continuously, I have only read Revelation four or five times. Most of it
Tis a mystery to me.

lol.. no reprimand.. It is just something some of us like.. I love talking about prophesy and studying it. one of my favorite topics. Some people could care less.. It is not salvic.. so nothing major.. although I would suggest you study it some..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok ill take that back then since i hear it here all the time surely doesnt tell me
what everyone in the country believes. Although what i read in news and media
is the same thing. Support Israel at the expense of our relationship with the rest
of the world. And i hear it in church, christian radio...etc Oh well i may have a sheltered life.

lol.. No.. To be honest. until I got to this chat room. I did not hear of it either.

And as for defending Israel. they are the only true ally we have in the middle east. the rest of them hate our guts.. I would defend Israel.. not because of prophesy or anything, but because they are my friend (speaking purely of politics)

The world hates us not because we defend Isreal. But because we are arrogant, we are proud, we are rich, and we like to shove our values down everyone elses throats (at least this is what I see)