That's a private interpretation of verse 4. I would agree with you if the verse stated, "chose us TO BE in him," however, it doesn't state this. Most Calvinists miss the word "according" which takes you back to the previous statement telling us what was chosen before the foundation of the world. It is the spiritual blessings in Christ. Those spiritual blessings are given to us in Christ. Not one individual was chosen before the foundation of the world, if so, there would never be a time when we were children of wrath. That would be a lie.
Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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Ridiculous the idea one would even say God is Biopalar speaks to the profane language you use in Context to the living God.
I do not identify as a Calvinist because John Calvin did not save me, nor is he authoritative. The problem is the "Ism" those like you create of men. a sad form of idolatry.
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Hypocrite. You don't agree with those who are Calvinists.
Yes, I do claim to Follow Christ, who is the only Way, the only Truth, and the only Eternal life. You call on John Calvin as if he saved you. I am saved, Baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, empowered by the Holy Spirit, and called to be a minister of HIS Gospel message, which is NOT election. It's Christ's death, Burial, and Resurrection. And if anyone preaches other Gospel:
Galatians 1:3-9
Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again,
if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
You say John Calvin more than I see you even mention the Lord Jesus Christ. In fact, if John Calvin were here today, he would speak more about holiness than about being elected, which HE taught more about than election. John Calvin is nothing without the Gospel of Christ.
CHRIST IS THE FOUNDATIONAL TRUTH ON WHICH WE MUST BUILD, OR WE LABOR IN VAIN.
I am not a Calvinist nor any other label you would like to give me. I identify with Christ. You can follow TULIPS all you want until you push up daisies. John Calvin has no authority over the word of God. Nor is his understanding superior to Gal 1:3-9
Where the Gospel of Christ IS the only Gospel message, not election.
Fallen man
Death for sin
Cross work of redemption
Grace that saves not of works
Receive by faith in the death, Burial, and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes, I do claim to Follow Christ, who is the only Way, the only Truth, and the only Eternal life. You call on John Calvin as if he saved you. I am saved, Baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, empowered by the Holy Spirit, and called to be a minister of HIS Gospel message, which is NOT election. It's Christ's death, Burial, and Resurrection. And if anyone preaches other Gospel:
Galatians 1:3-9
Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again,
if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
You say John Calvin more than I see you even mention the Lord Jesus Christ. In fact, if John Calvin were here today, he would speak more about holiness than about being elected, which HE taught more about than election. John Calvin is nothing without the Gospel of Christ.
CHRIST IS THE FOUNDATIONAL TRUTH ON WHICH WE MUST BUILD, OR WE LABOR IN VAIN.
I am not a Calvinist nor any other label you would like to give me. I identify with Christ. You can follow TULIPS all you want until you push up daisies. John Calvin has no authority over the word of God. Nor is his understanding superior to Gal 1:3-9
Where the Gospel of Christ IS the only Gospel message, not election.
Fallen man
Death for sin
Cross work of redemption
Grace that saves not of works
Receive by faith in the death, Burial, and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.
We obviously have very different views of who God is. i would venture to say we don't believe in the same God.
So it all comes down to personal preference, as to what the correct interpretation of scripture is and how we apply it. The term "Christian" means many different things to many different people. we have people like Hitler and child murderers, identifying as Christians. That's why I identify as an an Elect Saint of God.
So it all comes down to personal preference, as to what the correct interpretation of scripture is and how we apply it. The term "Christian" means many different things to many different people. we have people like Hitler and child murderers, identifying as Christians. That's why I identify as an an Elect Saint of God.
The problem with Spirits is they can't talk, they don't have a mouth. So I can't ask them to lead my bible study group, so I have no other choice, other than to allow my Shepherd to interpret the Bible for me.
I take it your a sheep, from the sounds of it, so you need to find a Shepherd to lead and teach you what the Bible says so you don't get lost in confusion. The Shepherd must be an ordained Minister, I'm not talking about self appointed charlatans.
I take it your a sheep, from the sounds of it, so you need to find a Shepherd to lead and teach you what the Bible says so you don't get lost in confusion. The Shepherd must be an ordained Minister, I'm not talking about self appointed charlatans.
We are not Apostles, so that doesn't apply to anyone other than the Apostles. They were given gifts of the Spirit which nobody else was every given after them.
Name me a single person, who had the power to heal people and cast out demons and all kinds of other gifts that were only given to the 12 Apostles. Answer, you can't because they don't exist
Name me a single person, who had the power to heal people and cast out demons and all kinds of other gifts that were only given to the 12 Apostles. Answer, you can't because they don't exist
btw, Paul was not the "12th" Apostle (Matthias was--Acts 1:26)
[yet Paul wrote 1Cor2:16b ("we have the mind of Christ"), as well as many other NT epistles
... and was an Apostle]
1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
2Ti 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
[yet Paul wrote 1Cor2:16b ("we have the mind of Christ"), as well as many other NT epistles
... and was an Apostle]1Ti 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
2Ti 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
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Again, you're claiming to poses the correct interpretation of scripture. You don't get to interpret scripture, scripture interprets scripture.
So you must conform to the Word of God and by instructed by scripture and not do what your doing by taking scripture into your own hands and twisting it to fit your private views and religious preferences.
So you must conform to the Word of God and by instructed by scripture and not do what your doing by taking scripture into your own hands and twisting it to fit your private views and religious preferences.
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Why do you say it is "not a valid question" since you pretty much just stated that God wrote the script (before time) for it to happen (in time)... You are not making sense to me. Which is it? Did He or didn't He?
In one breath you say (essentially) that He scripted everything (before time) to happen as it does (in time), and then you say He "allows" it to happen (as though He hasn't "scripted" it [before time] to happen [in time])... and can't bring yourself to answer directly, the question: Did God script that to happen (did He write it in the script [before time] that that child molester would molest that child when and where he did [in time], or did He not... and only "allowed" it to happen?)
Perhaps study two of the Greek words for "will": boulē or boulomai and thelēma ... for starters.
Then maybe think about verses such as the following (and how they might fit into your ideas you've expressed, or not):
Jeremiah 19 (was this His "will" or does it sound like it was NOT His will, for them to do?) -
4because they have abandoned Me and made this a foreign place. They have burned incense in this place to other gods that neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah have ever known. They have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5They have built high places to Baal on which to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I never commanded or mentioned, nor did it even enter My mind.
[or is it, 'I scripted it to take place [before time], therefore it took place [in time]']
Which is it? Did He or didn't He?In one breath you say (essentially) that He scripted everything (before time) to happen as it does (in time), and then you say He "allows" it to happen (as though He hasn't "scripted" it [before time] to happen [in time])... and can't bring yourself to answer directly, the question: Did God script that to happen (did He write it in the script [before time] that that child molester would molest that child when and where he did [in time], or did He not... and only "allowed" it to happen?)
Perhaps study two of the Greek words for "will": boulē or boulomai and thelēma ... for starters.
Then maybe think about verses such as the following (and how they might fit into your ideas you've expressed, or not):
Jeremiah 19 (was this His "will" or does it sound like it was NOT His will, for them to do?) -
4because they have abandoned Me and made this a foreign place. They have burned incense in this place to other gods that neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah have ever known. They have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5They have built high places to Baal on which to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I never commanded or mentioned, nor did it even enter My mind.
[or is it, 'I scripted it to take place [before time], therefore it took place [in time]']
We don't have the authority to ask questions about things which God has hidden from us. So it's foolish to ask if God causes evil doers to commit particular sins. He simply never told us and He warned us not to ask foolish questions because He does whatever He pleases and nobody in the universe has the right to question anything He does.
Ours job is to simply trust and obey and don't ask silly questions
But the Father Son and Holy Spirit are On and the same. and from Gods perspective all of His elect Saints are already in His Body, regardless if they have not been born yet or lived at the beginning of time.
That's why I said, there are 2 parallel realities. One is from Gods perspective, wherein He sees time as ended and nothing more needs to happen for His will to be done. Then there's our narrow perspective where will still have to run the gantlet.
That's why I said, there are 2 parallel realities. One is from Gods perspective, wherein He sees time as ended and nothing more needs to happen for His will to be done. Then there's our narrow perspective where will still have to run the gantlet.
That's your private interpretation, it doesn't line up with the Bible, so with all due respect I have no choice other than to reject all of that as unbiblical.
Everyone claims to be a Christian, from the Hitlers of this world to child raping murderers. a Christian is not one who says he's a Christian but he is the one who does the will of God. Words are cheap, everyone uses them to push their private religious views. I look for fruits/evidence to support a profession of faith.
Your fruits are bitter, they are nothing like those the Lord said His followers would bare so I can't accept any of your claims
Everyone claims to be a Christian, from the Hitlers of this world to child raping murderers. a Christian is not one who says he's a Christian but he is the one who does the will of God. Words are cheap, everyone uses them to push their private religious views. I look for fruits/evidence to support a profession of faith.
Your fruits are bitter, they are nothing like those the Lord said His followers would bare so I can't accept any of your claims