Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?

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Really...... and who do you say Jesus is?
Yeshua, son of Miriam, a Jewish faith healer from the Galilee region and the successor of Yohanan the Baptizer. Yeshua, like Yohanan, was executed by the authorities as a political agitator and left in his wake a small number of movements, of which Paul's constellation of gentile churches scattered around the East Med eventually emerged supreme and obtained official state religion status in the Roman Empire around 330. And the rest, as they say, is history.
 
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Yeshua, son of Miriam, a Jewish faith healer from the Galilee region and the successor of Yohanan the Baptizer. Yeshua, like Yohanan, was executed by the authorities as a political agitator and left in his wake a small number of movements, of which Paul's constellation of gentile churches scattered around the East Med eventually emerged supreme and obtained official state religion status in the Roman Empire around 330. And the rest, as they say, is history.


Well then, now I know why you post what you do, sounds like a synopsis of Wikipedia.

You would be better off knowing that He is Emmanuel, God with Us, who died as the propitiation for our sins, since we are not able to meet the demands of the law, and by grace through faith we accept Him as our Saviour and receive the gift of eternal life which starts and continues eternally.... when you make the decision to change your mind about who He is and what He has done.
 
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Well then, now I know why you post what you do, sounds like a synopsis of Wikipedia.

You would be better off knowing that He is Emmanuel, God with Us, who died as the propitiation for our sins, since we are not able to meet the demands of the law, and by grace through faith we accept Him as our Saviour and receive the gift of eternal life which starts and continues eternally.... when you make the decision to change your mind about who He is and what He has done.
When you suggest I change my mind, you seem to indicate that I have made an error somewhere in my statement about who I say Jesus is. Obviously I do not go as far as you go in my statement, but is there, in fact, an error anywhere in my statement?
 
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When you suggest I change my mind, you seem to indicate that I have made an error somewhere in my statement about who I say Jesus is. Obviously I do not go as far as you go in my statement, but is there, in fact, an error anywhere in my statement?
The error is in omission.
 
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It is the epitome of arrogance to think one has been given "special knowledge" that has escaped the notice of the multitude of real theologians down through the years. Is God divided? For thousands of years the Spirit has confirmed to individual Christians His unique triune nature, as explained by the doctrine of the Trinity. There is no “other” God than the One God of Christianity. And the One God of Christianity IS the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.


FYI, I completed my first Bible College course at Prairie Bible Institute, in Three Hills, Alberta, Canada in 1942 with a BA in a Pastoral preparation course, before entering the USAAF Air Corp, during WWII. Where I spent two years in the Pacific/Asiatic theater. Many years later, I graduated from Liberty University with a Masters in Prophecy and Eschatology, in the early
80's. Arrogance comes from those who are possessed with the idea they are qualified to teach the Bible, but have no such qualifications. In addition to the fact, they pay no attention to crystal clear Scriptural facts exposing the heretic views they hold to.


Scriptures revealing the fallacy of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit AS GOD IN ONE PERSON: As claimed by the doctrine of the Trinity.


1. Hebrews 1:5
tells us that Jesus was begotten by His Father. Did He beget Himself?

2. In Matthew 22:44
the Father said Jesus would sit at His right hand until His enemies were made His footstool. Was Jesus to sit at His own right hand?

3. In Matthew 24:36
when Jesus told His disciples that no one knows the day or hour of His return but the Father only, did He really know but made up an excuse not to tell them?

4. In John 14:28
Jesus said His Father was greater than He was. Does this mean He was greater than Himself?

5. In John 17:1
, Jesus prayed to His Father. Was He praying to Himself?

6. In Matthew 27:46
Jesus cried out, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" Had He forsaken Himself?

7. In John 20:17
Jesus said He would ascend to the Father after His resurrection. Did He ascend to Himself?

8. In Acts 2:24; 3:26; 4:10; 5:30; 10:40; 13:33 and 17:31. Rom.10:9: 1 Cor.6:14 and 15:15. 2 Cor.4:14. Gal.1:1. Col.2:12. Heb.13:20. And 1 Pet.1:21.
God raised Jesus from the dead. Did He raise Himself from the dead?

9. In Rom.1:7; 1 Cor.1:3; 2 Cor.1:2; Gal.1:3; Eph.1:2; Phil.1:2; Col.1:2; 1 Thes.1:1; 2 Thes.1:2; 1 Tim.1:2; 2 Tim.1:2; Titus 1:4; Phil.1:3; James 1:1; 2 Pet.1:2; 2 Jn.1:3; Jude 1:2, 3 and Rev.1:4, 5.
Greetings were extended to the Father and to Jesus, but not to the Holy Spirit. Was that not a grave insult, with the Holy Spirit being the third part of the triune Godhead, by the apostles when writing their epistles?

10. In Luke 23:46
Jesus commited His Spirit to the Father. Did He commit His Spirit to Himself?

11. In John 20:17
Jesus told Mary He was returning to His Father and her Father, my God and your God. Was He saying He is His Father and His God?

12. In Rev.20:6
All those who participate in the first resurrection are to be made priests of God and of Christ. Is this saying the Father and the Son are one person?

These and many other biblical passages demonstrate to a rational Bible reader that the Trinity teaching is not only unbiblical, but also utterly illogical!


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I agree, replacement theology and Amill is also false.. But that does not mean trinity is wrong.

Can you once again please explain who is talking in Is 48?


for he claims

1. To be the creator.
2. To hold all things in his hands
3. He leads Israel in all ways
4. He was sent by the father and his spirit.

Who is it? if not Jesus himself pre-incarnate..


The following Scripture reveals Yaweh is the one and only God during OT times. My post #223 explains why. The pre-incarnate Jesus is very active during OT times, such as being seen in Gen.16 and 32; again in Jos.5:13-15 and in Dan.3:24-35 and i\in 12:7. But He did not become the Son of God/God the Son until in Mt.1:20 and in Lk.1:35.

God makes it clear in the OT, He is eternal, that there is no other God but He Himself. "....Before me no God was formed, nor will there be one after me." Isa.43:10. And in Isa.44:6, "....I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." See also Isa.45:5: "I am the Lord and there is no other," and in Ex.3:14: "I AM WHO I AM."


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God makes it clear in the OT, He is eternal, that there is no other God but He Himself. "....Before me no God was formed, nor will there be one after me." Isa.43:10. And in Isa.44:6, "....I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." See also Isa.45:5: "I am the Lord and there is no other," and in Ex.3:14: "I AM WHO I AM."
Then how come he gets jealous when people "worship" other gods, if there aren't any other gods?

That'd be like a man and a woman alone on a desert island, and the man is late coming back to the hut, and the woman goes, "WHO IS SHE?!?!?!?!?"
 

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Then how come he gets jealous when people "worship" other gods, if there aren't any other gods?

That'd be like a man and a woman alone on a desert island, and the man is late coming back to the hut, and the woman goes, "WHO IS SHE?!?!?!?!?"
LOL

Actually, I think He gets jealous because worshiping false gods implies that they rejected Him.
 
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Then how come he gets jealous when people "worship" other gods, if there aren't any other gods?

That'd be like a man and a woman alone on a desert island, and the man is late coming back to the hut, and the woman goes, "WHO IS SHE?!?!?!?!?"


LOL! Well, I assume you read all of my post from which you alluded only to part of. That the pre-incarnate person who became Jesus, in Mt.1:20 and in Lk.1:35, became the Son of God/God the Son at that time.

God/the Holy Spirit/YHWH, made the pre-incarnate person who was/is the firstborn over all creation, according to Col.1:15, heir to all things, in Heb.1:2, and created the universe through Him.

Hope that helps.


Quasar92
 

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I can't see God being jealous or having petty human emotions. I've always read those passages as perhaps that was human spin or opinions of that time being added in, because it's hard to comprehend God in a human level.
 
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When you suggest I change my mind, you seem to indicate that I have made an error somewhere in my statement about who I say Jesus is. Obviously I do not go as far as you go in my statement, but is there, in fact, an error anywhere in my statement?
The error of omission. You left off that fact that Jesus is God.
 
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The following Scripture reveals Yaweh is the one and only God during OT times. My post #223 explains why. The pre-incarnate Jesus is very active during OT times, such as being seen in Gen.16 and 32; again in Jos.5:13-15 and in Dan.3:24-35 and i\in 12:7. But He did not become the Son of God/God the Son until in Mt.1:20 and in Lk.1:35.

God makes it clear in the OT, He is eternal, that there is no other God but He Himself. "....Before me no God was formed, nor will there be one after me." Isa.43:10. And in Isa.44:6, "....I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." See also Isa.45:5: "I am the Lord and there is no other," and in Ex.3:14: "I AM WHO I AM."


Quasar92
You do not get it, You still did not answer my questions.

The "God" In Is 48 claimed to be the creator, Not just "seen" He claimed to hold all of creation in his hands. Not just "seen" And he claimed to be sent from the father and his spirit.

So he can NOT be the father, and he can NOT be the spirit.

In Rev, Jesus is called the first and the last (the alpha and omega)

The son of man is the son of God, He has both titles..

We have not even begun to study this, Like why Thomas called Jesus HIS LORD< and HIS GOD. and Jesus did not correct him (Jesus had th eopportunity to put this argument to rest, All he had to say is no Thomas, I am not God.. you are mistaken)

but again, lets stick to Is 48.. we can not move on until we get that straightened out.
 
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LOL! Well, I assume you read all of my post from which you alluded only to part of. That the pre-incarnate person who became Jesus, in Mt.1:20 and in Lk.1:35, became the Son of God/God the Son at that time.

God/the Holy Spirit/YHWH, made the pre-incarnate person who was/is the firstborn over all creation, according to Col.1:15, heir to all things, in Heb.1:2, and created the universe through Him.
God is by definition uncreated. God is the Creator, not the created. To say that Jesus was created and then became God is an oxymoronic statement. Anything created cannot be God.
 
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God/the Holy Spirit/YHWH, made the pre-incarnate person who was/is the firstborn over all creation, according to Col.1:15, heir to all things, in Heb.1:2, and created the universe through Him.
The idea that even the Son is a created being is the ancient view called Arianism, which did not prevail at the Council of Nicea. Every Sunday morning at St. Philomena's we would stand up and affirm the following:

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
The only Son of God,
Eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
True God from true God,
Begotten, not made,
One in being with the Father.


Every major Protestant branch is also derived from the Athanasians who prevailed at Nicea.
There are lesser sects such as the JWs and Mormons who steer the other way.
 

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I can't see God being jealous or having petty human emotions. I've always read those passages as perhaps that was human spin or opinions of that time being added in, because it's hard to comprehend God in a human level.
Jealousy is not always a negative emotion. Understanding the various definitions/connotations/denotations helps. Scripture says God is a jealous God, and Jesus taught that we are to put God FIRST in all things........It simply comes down to understanding that God WANTS His children to PUT HIM FIRST in their hearts and lives. To do otherwise, is to deny who God is.

As for petty human emotions.........yes, man can exhibit a "petty jealousy." But, we also have to remember that many, if not all, of our human emotions come from being created in the image of God. Think of all of the human emotions, and then compare them to what Scripture says about God.

just saying
 

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LOL! Well, I assume you read all of my post from which you alluded only to part of. That the pre-incarnate person who became Jesus, in Mt.1:20 and in Lk.1:35, became the Son of God/God the Son at that time.

God/the Holy Spirit/YHWH, made the pre-incarnate person who was/is the firstborn over all creation, according to Col.1:15, heir to all things, in Heb.1:2, and created the universe through Him.

Hope that helps.


Quasar92
I am curious about your Col 1:15 quote, you have done so a number of times in conjunction with Proverbs 8. I don't know if I missed it because I have not read every post. But what do you think it means when Paul says Firstborn of creation?

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The idea that even the Son is a created being is the ancient view called Arianism, which did not prevail at the Council of Nicea. Every Sunday morning at St. Philomena's we would stand up and affirm the following:

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
The only Son of God,
Eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
True God from true God,
Begotten, not made,
One in being with the Father.


Every major Protestant branch is also derived from the Athanasians who prevailed at Nicea.
There are lesser sects such as the JWs and Mormons who steer the other way.
Why do you presume upon Christians, to teach us what we already know??
 
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I can't see God being jealous or having petty human emotions. I've always read those passages as perhaps that was human spin or opinions of that time being added in, because it's hard to comprehend God in a human level.
No, once again the Hebrew picture something different that the human emotion jealousy and anger.