Can the Trinity be Biblically proven?
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Previously posted on #197 to another member. When are you going to begin reading what has been posted before asking questions that have already been addressed?
>>>My post #4 in this thread provided you with the Biblical description of God and the origin of the pre-incarnate Jesus. God, who is the Holy Spirit and Father of Jesus, is greater than His Son, according to the Scriptures, and is the only God of all eternity, until the incarnation of Jesus. The Father is recorded as the ONLY God in many OT passages such as Isa.45:5. Jesus did not become the Son of God/God the Son until the Holy Spirit produced Him by the virgi Mary, in Mt.1:20 and in Lk.1:35.<<<
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when are you going to begin reading the whole of scripture?
The God of the OT was Christ. pre-incarnate.
God (plural) made man in their own image. Who are they?
The Holy spirit is not the father, and the father is not the son.
Is 48:16 : Come ye near unto me , Hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I, and now the Lord God (Father), and his Spirit (Holy Spirit), hath sent me.
This can only be the son speaking,,
Jesus claimed to be living before abraham was born Did Jesus lie>
Matthew records baptism in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,but those are not names but titles,and it also says name,singular,that means they have the same name.
In the Old Testament,the Father said,that He will reveal a new name to the Jews,and will speak to them,which Jesus said if you seen Me,you have seen the Father,and that He came in His Father's name.
The prophet Agur said,what is His name,and what is His Son's name,if you can tell,which means the Father and Son would share the same name.
The Son inherited the name from the Father,Hebrews 1.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus,John 14.
Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.
Peter said baptism is for the remission of sins,and Luke says baptism is to be done in Jesus' name.
Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in the name of Jesus,in the book of Acts.
Everything we do in word or deed is to be done in Jesus' name.
There is no greater name whereby men can know God,but by the name of Jesus.
There is no other name whereby we are saved,but by the name Jesus.
Why would anybody say Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,when Jesus is the name that saves,and gives us a benefit,not in the titles of God representing His different relationships with people.
The name carries more weight than a title,which God did not say I placed My title,Father,in Jerusalem,but He said He placed His name there.
If I won the Lotto,and had to sign for it,I could not put father and get away with it,for it does not carry any weight,but I would have to sign my name.
Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven anything we ask the Father in His name,He will do it.He did not say anything we ask in the titles would get us anything.
How come in everything else,like praying,we say in Jesus' name,and not the titles,and so it is the same with water baptism,Jesus' name.
Jesus was letting the disciples know that Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,which Luke interpreted it as in Jesus' name,and so did Peter,and they all did in the book of Acts.
To know that the Father's name is Jesus,gives glory to Him,for His name represents His character.
In the Old Testament,the Father said,that He will reveal a new name to the Jews,and will speak to them,which Jesus said if you seen Me,you have seen the Father,and that He came in His Father's name.
The prophet Agur said,what is His name,and what is His Son's name,if you can tell,which means the Father and Son would share the same name.
The Son inherited the name from the Father,Hebrews 1.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus,John 14.
Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.
Peter said baptism is for the remission of sins,and Luke says baptism is to be done in Jesus' name.
Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in the name of Jesus,in the book of Acts.
Everything we do in word or deed is to be done in Jesus' name.
There is no greater name whereby men can know God,but by the name of Jesus.
There is no other name whereby we are saved,but by the name Jesus.
Why would anybody say Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,when Jesus is the name that saves,and gives us a benefit,not in the titles of God representing His different relationships with people.
The name carries more weight than a title,which God did not say I placed My title,Father,in Jerusalem,but He said He placed His name there.
If I won the Lotto,and had to sign for it,I could not put father and get away with it,for it does not carry any weight,but I would have to sign my name.
Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven anything we ask the Father in His name,He will do it.He did not say anything we ask in the titles would get us anything.
How come in everything else,like praying,we say in Jesus' name,and not the titles,and so it is the same with water baptism,Jesus' name.
Jesus was letting the disciples know that Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,which Luke interpreted it as in Jesus' name,and so did Peter,and they all did in the book of Acts.
To know that the Father's name is Jesus,gives glory to Him,for His name represents His character.
he pre-incarnate Jesus IS NOT YHWH of the OT! He did, however act on the behalf of YHWH as recorded in such passages as found in Gen.18 and 32, in a few of His many theophanies.
The exclusive name for the Father is YHWH. The capitolized "Lord" is used for both the Father and the Son. Take note of thenames and titles for both the Father and the Son: Ps.110:1; 1 Cor.8:6: 1 Tim.2:5 and Rev.19:16.
The English word "Lord" appears 8012 times in the King James Version. In the Old Testament, the most common Hebrew word translated "Lord" is "YHWH," probably pronounced "Yahweh" and also transliterated as "Jehovah." This is the personal name of the Hebrew God. This word occupies about 3/4 of the occurrences of "Lord" in the King James Version.
Here is the reason it has been rendered "Lord" instead of "Yahweh": In fear of disobeying the commandment to not use Yahweh's name in vain, eventually Jews started reading it as "Adonai" instead (Adonai means "my lord"). When the Old Testament was translated into Greek (the Septuagint), the Greek word "Kurios" (Lord) was used. The Hebrew manuscripts (Masoretic texts) of the Old Testament maintained the word "YHWH," but ascribed to it the pronunciation "Adonai." For these reasons, the modern Bible as Lord.astranslators usually translate "YHWH"
It is no surprise that the main word translated "Lord" in the NT is the Greek word "kurios," which is used to refer to both Yahweh and Jesus Christ.
God makes it clear in the OT, He is eternal, that there is no other God but He Himself. "....Before me no God was formed, nor will there be one after me." Isa.43:10. And in Isa.44:6, "....I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." See also Isa.45:5: "I am the Lord and there is no other," and in Ex.3:14: "I AM WHO I AM."
Proveerbs 8:22-25:
22“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,[SUP]c[/SUP] [SUP]d[/SUP]before his deeds of old;23I was formed long ages ago,at the very beginning, when the world came to be.24When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,when there were no springs overflowing with water;25before the mountains were settled in place,before the hills, I was given birth,
- Jn.14:28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
- Jn.17:3 "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
- "Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" Jn.20:17 NIV.
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1. Your the one who judged, and gave an attitude to free, And now your asking me, when I did nothing but treat you as you treated him?
2. Then explain what Isaiah said, Where Jesus is spoken about as having been sent by the father AND his spirit. Then explain how Jesus could be before abraham if Jesus did not exist until the incarnation
3. Where do you get your authorization to teach anything? What kind of question is that? The bible is for all to see, It is able to instruct everyone, not just teachers..
If you do not want to be given a attitude, then don't give an attitude..
finally, Your "Interpretation" of the scripture about who God is is what I disagree with.. Again, who created the heavens and the earth, and created man in THEIR (plural) image? if there was just one God before the incarnation?
2. Then explain what Isaiah said, Where Jesus is spoken about as having been sent by the father AND his spirit. Then explain how Jesus could be before abraham if Jesus did not exist until the incarnation
3. Where do you get your authorization to teach anything? What kind of question is that? The bible is for all to see, It is able to instruct everyone, not just teachers..
If you do not want to be given a attitude, then don't give an attitude..
finally, Your "Interpretation" of the scripture about who God is is what I disagree with.. Again, who created the heavens and the earth, and created man in THEIR (plural) image? if there was just one God before the incarnation?