Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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He did expect that we respect and love one another, but doesn't respect and love come with protecting and saving them from stuff that will kill them? The only righteous practice I can ever do is to do the will of God out of faith. That is the standard the Lord placed on those who enter His Kingdom and Family, if you do the will of God. I'd bash the Catholic System all day and will feel no regret, the same with the Protestant and Cultish System, but bashing a system is not the same as bashing a people. You want the system to die, but you want the people to come out so they don't partake of it and be saved.
the truth is, the dogma of Catholicism and Protestantism will do nothing but bring people into bondage and lead them into destruction. Just as the Lord spoke of the Scribes and Pharisees who sought one convert and made him twice a son of hell as them, who placed burdens on people and not even lift a finger to bear it. That is what both Systems do. The only differences between the two is 1. Terminology, and 2. One is more Unified while the other is more Diverse. I bash not the faith of a proclaimed Catholic IF their faith is the same as what Peter had. I also know, though, how traditions and practices can quench that faith and fulfill the condemnation of the Pharisees. It sucks, and it is done in the name of the Lord when He never wanted it. You stand up for Catholics, but are you not willing to love them by helping them get rid of these traditions and practices that does nothing more than build on their burden? Or would you rather to continue tolerating said practices for the sake of not offending someone, while at the same time they suffocate even more under them?
What do you think the Lord would have done? The same that He is doing today, He called for people to come out of the teachings of the Pharisees into a pure simple and sincere faith and walk. He condemned the teaching even to the point of saying if our righteousness was not greater than those teachers we could not enter the Kingdom. Who do you think are the Scribes and Pharisees today?
the truth is, the dogma of Catholicism and Protestantism will do nothing but bring people into bondage and lead them into destruction. Just as the Lord spoke of the Scribes and Pharisees who sought one convert and made him twice a son of hell as them, who placed burdens on people and not even lift a finger to bear it. That is what both Systems do. The only differences between the two is 1. Terminology, and 2. One is more Unified while the other is more Diverse. I bash not the faith of a proclaimed Catholic IF their faith is the same as what Peter had. I also know, though, how traditions and practices can quench that faith and fulfill the condemnation of the Pharisees. It sucks, and it is done in the name of the Lord when He never wanted it. You stand up for Catholics, but are you not willing to love them by helping them get rid of these traditions and practices that does nothing more than build on their burden? Or would you rather to continue tolerating said practices for the sake of not offending someone, while at the same time they suffocate even more under them?
What do you think the Lord would have done? The same that He is doing today, He called for people to come out of the teachings of the Pharisees into a pure simple and sincere faith and walk. He condemned the teaching even to the point of saying if our righteousness was not greater than those teachers we could not enter the Kingdom. Who do you think are the Scribes and Pharisees today?
I tell you what. If I said to Jesus now, 'Jesus, there are many Catholics on this forum who feel isolated and cursed. They follow in you as best they can, and believe that Peter was the Pope. They believ in all you have written, and have an interpretation of it which some people don't agree with. Christ, is it okay for them to do these practices. To hold mass? To have statues of your mother Mary, there to honour her. Is it okay that they confess to a teacher in the church? Is it okay that they ask the Pope to pray for them all?'
What would Jesus say?
What would Jesus say?
Above all, nobody has the right to judge anybody. It is shameful even the creator of this thread (RoboOp) had trouble understanding that when he made this thread and this thread should have never existed to begin with. All it does is create problems and serves no constructive purpose whatsoever. This is dishonorable leadership on RoboOps behalf. If the admins really are caring, they would delete this thread as all it does is create negative tensions
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I'm afraid I gotta agree with you Shyness. There should be impartial brotherly rebukes in love concerning error, but if what I'm seeing is correct then probably most of the posts are nothing like that. We gotta be careful with what we type, the Lord spoke we will be condemned or justified by our words. There is brotherly rebuke, and there is the pride of just wanting to be right. Lord rebuke me if I have spoken any error. This thread should be closed, it's not about saving a people from an erred tradition anymore, if it ever was.
that's what I have been trying to say Philos. This is staged as a deliberate way to sectarianise a certain group. So I felt it was my place to come on and defend that group to keep some sort of balance. I do believe most catholics are genuine followers. And fair play for realising what you just said Philos.
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This thread is clearly in response to activities that took place previously... a perceived aggression in proselytizing (and even condemning Protestants) by Orthodox Catholics.
That it's remained open for this long could give new members the wrong impression, so I agree it should be locked. But I do not believe the intent of the forum creator was simply to bash Catholics. When I joined a super long time ago, I thought this was actually a predominantly Catholic site.
Many of them have gone due to this thread, so new members will clearly see this differently.
No excuse for being a jerk or anything, but this thread wasn't without genuine purpose initially.
That it's remained open for this long could give new members the wrong impression, so I agree it should be locked. But I do not believe the intent of the forum creator was simply to bash Catholics. When I joined a super long time ago, I thought this was actually a predominantly Catholic site.
Many of them have gone due to this thread, so new members will clearly see this differently.
No excuse for being a jerk or anything, but this thread wasn't without genuine purpose initially.
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I don't know the intent of the Admins in making this thread, they may have been led by the Spirit to do so, they may not have been, I don't know. I haven't even fully read the first post yet. It seems best, though, if it was just the post then the thread was locked, instead of making it an open thread. I hope they prayed and was led when making the post of that magnitude.
I understand that RoboOp had to intervene if the events you mentioned above happened but the way RoboOp handled it by labeling the Catholic Church "heresy" was downright unethical and unprofessional and dishonorable. This is not how a good leader should act and behave and he should be ashamed of himself. I do not support condemning of any kind regardless of what religion it is whether Christian or not.
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Listen this is the thing that's made me LOL this whole thread. People are going on and on and on, about Catholicism, about denominationalism, and about it being bad, wrong, and about Chris's message being simple. Catholics DO believe in Christ.
In fact, denominationalism wasnt a problem until Martin Luther made it one. So (being Protestant), I have a hard time finding any background for me to slate Catholics, whenever, denominationalism is a protestant/baptist/methodist/evangelist/calvanist whatever, problem. Technically, the Catholic church has no denominationalism at all.
In fact, denominationalism wasnt a problem until Martin Luther made it one. So (being Protestant), I have a hard time finding any background for me to slate Catholics, whenever, denominationalism is a protestant/baptist/methodist/evangelist/calvanist whatever, problem. Technically, the Catholic church has no denominationalism at all.
