Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[KenAllan]

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I believe the reason we are seeing the Catholics rejecting the Truth in the Bible is because we are close to the End Times when the Anti-Christ will rule the World. God has sent a STRONG DELUSION to the Catholics to reject the Truth from God because they did not receive the LOVE of the Truth that is in the Scriptures.

Romans 1:21-22
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Professing to be wise, they became fools

1 Peter 2:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--

 

[KenAllan]

No matter how you spin it mwc68, when your on your knees in front of a statue or picture of Mary with your hands folded, you are Praying to Mary.

Praying to Mary is a Mortal sin that will destroy your Soul.

 

[fordman]

Praying to Mary is a Mortal sin that will destroy your Soul.

Praying to Mary is a Mortal sin that will destroy your Soul.[/QUOTE]
Nice to see you agreeong with us Catholics in the Doctrine of "mortal sin" To beleive in the doctrine of motal sin, you must beleive in differnt types of sin, (venial sin), which leads to the belief of Puratory. baby steps to Christ"s true Church.... Way to go Kenallan!!

 

[mwc68]

Do you know its a waste of time to talk to JW's. They come to my door and try to push their religion.
You can talk to them till you are exhausted, and at the end of it all they want to hand you a
Watch Tower.
What Catholics do not understand is that protestants are called protestants because they protest the Catholic church. We know that its there and most of have made the choice to not worship there.
Praying to Mary and the saints was not practiced at all in biblical times. This came about later. And, I think because of the apparition. And, I do not know how are why they decided to pray to ordinary people who did good. And, they did good because that was their job and supposedly are responsible for a miracle or two that they had God do for them. They probably prayed to Mary for the miracle and Mary talked to God and whamo God responded and they got the credit for it.

But, the main fact is that the Catholic church has evolved to this point. Which means that the Pope is in direct communication with God. God has spoken to the Pope and told him to make these changes.

When they asked Jesus, "How should we pray"? And, he answered like this, "Our father who art in Heaven..........Amen". Of course he would not say pray to my mom. She was still alive, and probably in the crowd. He probably even pulled on his ear, to say Hi, to her.

Some rocket scientist in the catholic church had to decide to roll in the statues and decide to pray to the saints that they created and to the Virgin Mary.
Can you image how it was on the first day of this change. It would be like this: "Today, we have some good news for you. You no longer have to pray directly to your father in heaven. The Pope has told us that your prayers can be heard just fine if you pray to the Virgin Mary or The Saints who are in heaven. Don't worry about flooding Mary's e-mail, because she has time for all of you. But, if you want to talk to a specific department you can choose from a wide variety of Saints. We do have one for everyday of the year. So feel free to pick the one you like the most, because they are all within a rocks throw from Jesus and they will relay your prayers to him. One more thing; when you pray to Mary, be sure to repeat yourself several times. Mary will not acknowledge you unless you say the same thing at least ten or more time.

The bible clearly says that God hates repetition in prayer. God know what you want before you ask.

Its kind of kool that I can pray directly to God and build a relationship with him instead of having to go through the chain of command to get things done.

50 Hail Mary's is a form of punishment / discipline. Which was created because the Catholics are a dominate type of religion. If you sin your punishment would be to labor over the rosary beads and count the number of times you have repeated the same words.

Just speculation about something you don't know anything about

 

[KenAllan]

Yes there are different kinds of sin fordman. There are sins that will kill the Soul. Sins that are repeated over and over again that God will not forgive nor allow you to enter into Heaven.

All sins separate us from God, and all sins God can forgive us for if we confess our sins to Jesus Christ.

The sin of Worshiping Mary as your God has destroyed the Soul of many a Catholic. Its sins like these we are to avoid, not embrace like you Catholics do.

 

[KenAllan]

There is no Purgatory fordman. Where in the Scriptures Does God say there is a Purgatory fordman?

Also all of your Catholic Apologetics have admitted there is no Purgatory and nowhere in any Bible is Purgatory. Name one Catholic Apologetics fordman that has declared Purgatory is in the Scriptures! You will find no one. Not one has ever found any evidence for Purgatory.

 

[JoelG]

Our father in heaven is the only one to pray to, in the name of Jesus Christ.
There is no reason to pray to anyone else.
Our father in Heaven knows what you want before you ask. He even knows how many hairs are on your head. And, you believe he has no time for you. It is absurd to choose to pray to anyone else but our father in Heaven.

And, if you were going to pray to someone in Heaven besides God, why not pray to Moses, Adam, Eve, Lot, Job, Samson, John the baptist, or pick one of the 11 apostles. Would not Moses qualify to be a saint. Talk about miracles, I think Moses is almost right up there with Jesus. Moses parted a sea , now that's a miracle that none of the Catholic hand picked Saints can match this.
How much less blessed is Eve than Mary when she was the mother of every human being on earth. And, Adam must have been very blessed to have been the first man on earth. And, why not pray to Mary and Elizabeth's father. He gets no created for raising two fine daughters. Should we check with the Pope if its OK to pray to these great people.

The fact is the Catholic church controls its people. You get instant inner peace and every step you take has got to be approve. When are you gonna wake up.

What part of , " I am a jealous God"; do you not understand.
What part of, "Do not make images, do you not understand ,
Commandment #2, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God". What do you think this means?

Catholics are a people with pride. They do not push their beliefs on people like some of these other churches do but, they are more vain than all of them put together. While they put their trust in a man called the Pope. And, Pope means father. They want you to call this man father.
As a little boy I went to a Catholic church. When I got home my father asked me, "How was church"? I told him, " when we were walking out of the church everyone was saying , bye Father. But, I said: Bye Dad".

It does not matter that protestants did wrong and have done terrible things in the name of Christ. What matters is that if the Catholics made mistakes in the past they are just as guilty as everyone else and made bad choices that would not be made if they really are the true church.

Lets face it, when you get government involved with religion you get corruption every time.

The Romans killed Jesus and then they promote and construct the Catholic church. Giving them unbelievable control over the people. They forced their belief on every land that they put their foot on, brainwashing conquered people into submission. And, that is why they are so powerful today. Getting illiterate people to follow their beliefs by force.

I saw a picture of a crown that a Pope would wear, it had precious jewels on it with niches for little statues of saints circling around the crown. They love their saints.

If the devil wanted to control the masses (no pun intended), the Catholic church would be a good way. He manage to take the focus off of Christ and give it to others. Isn't the statue of Jesus and Mary a graven image?
Why would any logical person want to get that close to upsetting God.

Beware of false teachers and false prophets. If you believe that the Pope has direct communication with God, then this is called a prophet. And, if he does not have direct communication with God than he is not a prophet. And, if he is not a prophet, what right does he have to add to the scriptures? And if, he is not a prophet he can not tell millions of people to stop praying to God.

When you pray to the Virgin Mary are you thinking of her while you pray?
Do you see an image of her wearing a shawl in your mind?

 

[JoelG]

Just speculation about something you don't know anything about

And, the reason for that is because I would have to stop reading the bible and read Catholic propaganda.

If its not in the bible it comes from man, like the Book of Mormon. Like the Quran and like the little green book the Jehovah's Witness read.

 

[mwc68]

Our father in heaven is the only one to pray to, in the name of Jesus Christ.
There is no reason to pray to anyone else.
Our father in Heaven knows what you want before you ask. He even knows how many hairs are on your head. And, you believe he has no time for you. It is absurd to choose to pray to anyone else but our father in Heaven.

And, if you were going to pray to someone in Heaven besides God, why not pray to Moses, Adam, Eve, Lot, Job, Samson, John the baptist, or pick one of the 11 apostles. Would not Moses qualify to be a saint. Talk about miracles, I think Moses is almost right up there with Jesus. Moses parted a sea , now that's a miracle that none of the Catholic hand picked Saints can match this.
How much less blessed is Eve than Mary when she was the mother of every human being on earth. And, Adam must have been very blessed to have been the first man on earth. And, why not pray to Mary and Elizabeth's father. He gets no created for raising two fine daughters. Should we check with the Pope if its OK to pray to these great people.

The fact is the Catholic church controls its people. You get instant inner peace and every step you take has got to be approve. When are you gonna wake up.

What part of , " I am a jealous God"; do you not understand.
What part of, "Do not make images, do you not understand ,
Commandment #2, “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God". What do you think this means?

Catholics are a people with pride. They do not push their beliefs on people like some of these other churches do but, they are more vain than all of them put together. While they put their trust in a man called the Pope. And, Pope means father. They want you to call this man father.
As a little boy I went to a Catholic church. When I got home my father asked me, "How was church"? I told him, " when we were walking out of the church everyone was saying , bye Father. But, I said: Bye Dad".

It does not matter that protestants did wrong and have done terrible things in the name of Christ. What matters is that if the Catholics made mistakes in the past they are just as guilty as everyone else and made bad choices that would not be made if they really are the true church.

Lets face it, when you get government involved with religion you get corruption every time.

The Romans killed Jesus and then they promote and construct the Catholic church. Giving them unbelievable control over the people. They forced their belief on every land that they put their foot on, brainwashing conquered people into submission. And, that is why they are so powerful today. Getting illiterate people to follow their beliefs by force.

I saw a picture of a crown that a Pope would wear, it had precious jewels on it with niches for little statues of saints circling around the crown. They love their saints.

If the devil wanted to control the masses (no pun intended), the Catholic church would be a good way. He manage to take the focus off of Christ and give it to others. Isn't the statue of Jesus and Mary a graven image?
Why would any logical person want to get that close to upsetting God.

Beware of false teachers and false prophets. If you believe that the Pope has direct communication with God, then this is called a prophet. And, if he does not have direct communication with God than he is not a prophet. And, if he is not a prophet, what right does he have to add to the scriptures? And if, he is not a prophet he can not tell millions of people to stop praying to God.

When you pray to the Virgin Mary are you thinking of her while you pray?
Do you see an image of her wearing a shawl in your mind?

So it doesn't matter that protestants have done wrong? Just as I thought. You are a bigot plain and simple.

 

[mwc68]

And, the reason for that is because I would have to stop reading the bible and read Catholic propaganda.

If its not in the bible it comes from man, like the Book of Mormon. Like the Quran and like the little green book the Jehovah's Witness read.

Then stop commenting on what you have admitted you know nothing about!

 

[mwc68]

By the way, get rid of all your photos and figurines. Wouldnt want you acccused of idolatry by your mixed up friends.

 

[JoelG]

"Beating a dead horse with a stick". Is what comes to mine.

If want to be a Catholic , knock yourself out. Obviously, you are happy.
I do not want to take your candy.

 

[JoelG]

By the way, my friend. I am not a bigot. And, I am not prejudice. I dislike everyone equally. (just a joke).

 

[mwc68]

"Beating a dead horse with a stick". Is what comes to mine.

If want to be a Catholic , knock yourself out. Obviously, you are happy.
I do not want to take your candy.

Your the one that came in here beating a horse your friends have already taken a chainsaw to.

 

[KenAllan]

We do not pray before our photos and we do not pray to our figurines mwc68. But i do know for a fact you Catholics bow down and pray to your pictures and figurines of Mary. I have seen it in many Catholic Churches. You forget mwc68 i was once like you until God Himself called me out of the Catholic Church.

Many times in the Catholic Church i saw Catholics kneeling in front of a Statue of Mary praying the Rosary in front of the statue of Mary!

Of course you Catholics will deny it!

Exodus 20:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP] You shall have no other gods before Me.

Exodus 20:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] You shall not make anything to be with Me--gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves.

Exodus 23:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other gods, nor let it be heard from your mouth.

Leviticus 19:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP] 'Do not turn to idols, nor make for yourselves molded gods: I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 11:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Take heed to yourselves, lest your heart be deceived, and you turn aside and serve other gods and worship them

 

[Jimbone]

So it doesn't matter that protestants have done wrong? Just as I thought. You are a bigot plain and simple.

Well here is another "thought" to ponder. JoelG isn't going around saying "I'm a protestant, I have to only way to God, here is my churches list of rules and guidelines that the "protestants" wrote and govern by, and because you believe something other than what my "group of men" says you are just a hateful anti-protestant, and bigoted towards my "protestant identity". Not one time did he invoke a "label/denomination/group of men to make his point, only the bible and Jesus. See he's just saying he reads the bible, has been show the truth through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and has been regenerated and indwelt by the Holy Spirit that helps guide him to the truth written in the bible. There is a HUGE difference there, and no it's not full-proof, and many MEN do create a new "label" and even some wrong interpretations do find there way into the denominations, no doubt, I would never say that men are in any way perfect or even good at all without Gods spirit in them, and even then can still make mistakes. The biggest difference is he puts his trust into Jesus Christ alone and not "the church", whose teachings are fallible like any of the protestant churches you are so willing to condemn. Why and how do these fallible teachings find there way into a church you may ask? Because that happens when MEN are involved, no matter what MAN is in charge. Do you not see the hypocrisy of your position? Only Jesus Christ can be the center of Christianity, when you add ANYTHING else corruption will follow.

 

[mwc68]

We do not pray before our photos and we do not pray to our figurines mwc68. But i do know for a fact you Catholics bow down and pray to your pictures and figurines of Mary. I have seen it in many Catholic Churches. You forget mwc68 i was once like you until God Himself called me out of the Catholic Church.

Many times in the Catholic Church i saw Catholics kneeling in front of a Statue of Mary praying the Rosary in front of the statue of Mary!

Of course you Catholics will deny it!

Exodus 20:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP] You shall have no other gods before Me.

Exodus 20:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] You shall not make anything to be with Me--gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves.

Exodus 23:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] And in all that I have said to you, be circumspect and make no mention of the name of other gods, nor let it be heard from your mouth.

Leviticus 19:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP] 'Do not turn to idols, nor make for yourselves molded gods: I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 11:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Take heed to yourselves, lest your heart be deceived, and you turn aside and serve other gods and worship them

Those statues are not God. Yall keep forgetting what idolatry is. If I worship a statue that is blasphemy.. A statue is a memorial, not a god

 

[mwc68]

Well here is another "thought" to ponder. JoelG isn't going around saying "I'm a protestant, I have to only way to God, here is my churches list of rules and guidelines that the "protestants" wrote and govern by, and because you believe something other than what my "group of men" says you are just a hateful anti-protestant, and bigoted towards my "protestant identity". Not one time did he invoke a "label/denomination/group of men to make his point, only the bible and Jesus. See he's just saying he reads the bible, has been show the truth through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and has been regenerated and indwelt by the Holy Spirit that helps guide him to the truth written in the bible. There is a HUGE difference there, and no it's not full-proof, and many MEN do create a new "label" and even some wrong interpretations do find there way into the denominations, no doubt, I would never say that men are in any way perfect or even good at all without Gods spirit in them, and even then can still make mistakes. The biggest difference is he puts his trust into Jesus Christ alone and not "the church", whose teachings are fallible like any of the protestant churches you are so willing to condemn. Why and how do these fallible teachings find there way into a church you may ask? Because that happens when MEN are involved, no matter what MAN is in charge. Do you not see the hypocrisy of your position? Only Jesus Christ can be the center of Christianity, when you add ANYTHING else corruption will follow.

Fine, I'm not trying to convert anybody. I defend against the lies about the Church that are rampant here. Have I ever once said any of you need to convert? Lies about the church are being told here by so-called true christians. If you have no problem with that, more power to you. I know lying is a sin and this needs to be exposed for the uneducated that might believe some of the ridiculous accusations here

 

[KenAllan]

Shall we compare what the Protestants have done to what the Catholic Church has done?

How many Protestant Church have put people to death for not accepting Christianity?

The Catholic Church has put millions of people to death for not accepting Catholicism.

How many Protestant Churches have burned people at the stake just for reading the Bible?

There has been thousands on Protestants burned at the stake by the Catholic Church just for reading the Bible.

In 1535, Tyndale was arrested and jailed in the castle of Vilvoorde (Filford) outside Brussels for over a year. In 1536 he was convicted of heresy and executed by strangulation, after which his body was burnt at the stake.

This is just one example of how corrupted the Catholic Church is today. They saw nothing wrong with murdering a person just for allowing people to read the Bible!

 

[mwc68]

Shall we compare what the Protestants have done to what the Catholic Church has done?

How many Protestant Church have put people to death for not accepting Christianity?

The Catholic Church has put millions of people to death for not accepting Catholicism.

How many Protestant Churches have burned people at the stake just for reading the Bible?

There has been thousands on Protestants burned at the stake by the Catholic Church just for reading the Bible.

In 1535, Tyndale was arrested and jailed in the castle of Vilvoorde (Filford) outside Brussels for over a year. In 1536 he was convicted of heresy and executed by strangulation, after which his body was burnt at the stake.

This is just one example of how corrupted the Catholic Church is today. They saw nothing wrong with murdering a person just for allowing people to read the Bible!

I know we don't have a murder squad at my church, but if Ken thinks we do, we must