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Ahwatukee

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dallasb78 said:
If there is no authority then why are Bishops mentioned in the Bible?
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There were to be overseeers, pastors, also called Bishops, to be the leaders or elders within individual congregations, but not as a hierarchy. And it was never meant that those pastors of each individual church were to report to one headquarters and to one man as the head bishop. But besides all of this, why would one give himself over to a system that is obvious pagan? It doesn't take much to recognize that the RCC is not the church. Amazingly, there are over 1.2 billion who have been deceived and there will be many more, especially when those miracles, signs and wonders come into play. This stems from people who don't study the word of God, but just turn their salvation and eternal life over to the pope and the liturgy of the RCC.

If the blind lead the blind, then both will fall into a ditch.
 
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dallasb78

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Ahwatukee said:
There were to be overseeers, pastors, also called Bishops, to be the leaders or elders within individual congregations, but not as a hierarchy. And it was never meant that those pastors of each individual church were to report to one headquarters and to one man as the head bishop. But besides all of this, why would one give himself over to a system that is obvious pagan? It doesn't take much to recognize that the RCC is not the church. Amazingly, there are over 1.2 billion who have been deceived and there will be many more, especially when those miracles, signs and wonders come into play. This stems from people who don't study the word of God, but just turn their salvation and eternal life over to the pope and the liturgy of the RCC.

If the blind lead the blind, then both will fall into a ditch.
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To Those who say the Catholic Church is pagan i'll provide this link:
Is Catholicism Pagan? | Catholic Answers
 
Magenta

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For people interested in the truth:

The Roman Emperor Constantine established himself as the head of the church around 313 A.D., which made this new "Christianity" the official religion of the Roman Empire. The first actual Pope in Rome was probably Leo I (440-461 A.D.), although some claim that Gregory I was the first (590-604 A.D.). This ungodly system eventually ushered in the darkest period of history known to man, properly known as the "Dark Ages" (500-1500 A.D.). Through popes, bishops, and priests, Satan ruled Europe, and Biblical Christianity became illegal.

Throughout all of this, however, there remained individual groups of true Christians, such as the Waldensens and the Anabaptists who would not conform to the Roman system.

Roman Catholics believe that Mary, the mother of Jesus, remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus and was sinless all of her life. She is venerated in the Catholic church as the "Mother of God" and the "Queen of Heaven." St. Bernard stated that she was crowned "Queen of Heaven" by God the Father, and that she currently sits upon a throne in Heaven making intercession for Christians.

The Bible teaches otherwise. In the Bible, Mary was a sinner just like the rest of us. She said herself that she needed a "Saviour" (Lk. 1:47), and she even had to offer a sacrifice for her sins in Luke 2:24. Jesus was only her "firstborn" son, according to Matthew 1:25, because she later had other children as well (Mt. 13:55; Gal. 1:19; Psa. 69:8). There's only ONE mediator between God and men, and it isn't Mary (I Tim. 2:5). The last time we hear from Mary in the Bible she is praying WITH the disciples, not being prayed to BY the disciples (Acts 1:14). The Bible never exalts Mary above anyone else. Neither should we. Read more here: http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html
 
Magenta

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The Catholic Church teaches that a Christian's soul must burn in purgatory after death until all of their sins have been purged. To speed up the purging process, money may be paid to a priest so he can pray and have special masses for an earlier release.

This heresy began creeping into the Roman Church during the reign of Pope Gregory around the end of the sixth century, and it has no scriptural support. In fact, Jesus warned us about this pagan practice in Matthew 23:14 when He spoke of those who devoured widows houses and made long prayers for a pretence. Psalm 49:6-7 tells us that a person couldn't redeem a loved one, even if such a place did exist: "They that trust in their wealth, and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches; None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:"
Peter addresses this issue in Acts 8:20 when he says, "Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money." God's word is clearly against the doctrine of purgatory. Read more here: http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html
 
Magenta

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By perverting the Christian practice of the Lord's Supper (Mat. 26:26-28; I Cor. 11:23-27), the Catholic Church has created the Mass, which they believe to be a continual sacrifice of Jesus Christ

"Christ...commanded that his bloody sacrifice on the Cross should be daily renewed by an unbloody sacrifice of his body and blood in the Mass under the simple elements of bread and wine." (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 10, Pg. 13, Article: "Mass, Sacrifice of")

Jesus never made such a command. If you'll check the above references in Matthew 26 and I Corinthians 11, you'll see for yourself that the Lord's Supper is a MEMORIAL and a SHOWING of Christ's death until He comes again. It is not a sacrifice. The Catholic Encyclopedia states the following:

"In the celebration of the Holy Mass, the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ. It is called transubstantiation, for in the Sacrament of the Eucharist the substance of bread and wine do not remain, but the entire substance of bread is changed into the body of Christ, and the entire substance of wine is changed into his blood, the species or outward semblance of bread and wine alone remaining." (Vol. 4, pg. 277, Article: "Consecration")

The Catholic Church teaches that the "Holy Mass" is a LITERAL EATING AND DRINKING OF THE LITERAL FLESH AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. The priest supposedly has the power to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.

Now, what does God's word say about such practices? If you'll read Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11-12, and Acts 15:29, you will find that God absolutely FORBIDS the drinking of blood all through the Bible.

Rome teaches that the Mass is a continual "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ, but God's word states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary! This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews 10:10-12:

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."

The mass is unnecessary and unscriptural. Read more here: http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html
 
Magenta

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The Catholic religion is filled with all sorts of symbols, images, and relics. The Catechism of the Council of Trent states these words:

"It is lawful to have images in the Church, and to give honor and worship unto them..."

It's lawful to honor and worship images? Not according to God's word. Exodus 20:4-5 says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me." Image worship is unscriptural and will end with the eternal damnation of those who practice it (Rev. 14:11). Read more here: http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html
 
ThomistColin

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Magenta said:
By perverting the Christian practice of the Lord's Supper (Mat. 26:26-28; I Cor. 11:23-27), the Catholic Church has created the Mass, which they believe to be a continual sacrifice of Jesus Christ

"Christ...commanded that his bloody sacrifice on the Cross should be daily renewed by an unbloody sacrifice of his body and blood in the Mass under the simple elements of bread and wine." (The Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 10, Pg. 13, Article: "Mass, Sacrifice of")

Jesus never made such a command. If you'll check the above references in Matthew 26 and I Corinthians 11, you'll see for yourself that the Lord's Supper is a MEMORIAL and a SHOWING of Christ's death until He comes again. It is not a sacrifice. The Catholic Encyclopedia states the following:

"In the celebration of the Holy Mass, the bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ. It is called transubstantiation, for in the Sacrament of the Eucharist the substance of bread and wine do not remain, but the entire substance of bread is changed into the body of Christ, and the entire substance of wine is changed into his blood, the species or outward semblance of bread and wine alone remaining." (Vol. 4, pg. 277, Article: "Consecration")

The Catholic Church teaches that the "Holy Mass" is a LITERAL EATING AND DRINKING OF THE LITERAL FLESH AND BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. The priest supposedly has the power to change the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.

Now, what does God's word say about such practices? If you'll read Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11-12, and Acts 15:29, you will find that God absolutely FORBIDS the drinking of blood all through the Bible.

Rome teaches that the Mass is a continual "sacrifice" of Jesus Christ, but God's word states that Jesus made the FINAL sacrifice on Calvary! This is made perfectly clear in Hebrews 10:10-12:

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God."

The mass is unnecessary and unscriptural. Read more here: http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/Catholic.html
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"I am the Bread of Life, for he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood shall have eternal life"
"For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed"
"This is my body, which is broken for you, eat this in memory of me..."
"This is the chalice of my blood, of the new and eternal covenant, which will be poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins, drink this in memory of me..." -Jesus
"He who partakes of the bread and wine without discerning the body, eats and drinks damnation upon himself." =Paul
 
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I have to go to bed.

I'll be back tomorrow, God Bless

 
Ahwatukee

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ThomistColin said:
"I am the Bread of Life, for he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood shall have eternal life"
"For my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed"
"This is my body, which is broken for you, eat this in memory of me..."
"This is the chalice of my blood, of the new and eternal covenant, which will be poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins, drink this in memory of me..." -Jesus
"He who partakes of the bread and wine without discerning the body, eats and drinks damnation upon himself." =Paul
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Jesus also said that he was the "Sheep gate," does that mean that he was a literal sheep gate? Or that he was literally manna that had come down from heaven? When Jesus was celebrating the Passover with his disciples, scripture says that he "took bread" and broke it, not flesh, bread. And he gave the bread to his disciples and said, "take this and eat," this is my body that is broken for you. It was bread that he broke and gave to his disciples to eat as representing his body that was broken for us. By his stripes we were healed. Then he took the cup and gave it to them and said drink this, for this is my blood in the new covenant which is shed for the sins of many. We know that there was wine in the cup because after he gave it to them he said, "Truly I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine again until I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

So, the eating of the bread was symbolic of the Lord's body that was broken for us and the wine is symbolic for his blood that was shed for us. The disciples ate bread and drank wine and not literal flesh and blood and therefore, we should not interpret it as literal.
 
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