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The price of the gift was paid, now it awaits collection.
If i wanted to give you a gift, and said look i'll pay the price, and you collect it.
There is a gift awaiting all those that:
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
if you do not repent, why would you you think you needed the gift?
Sin was not abolished, the price of sin( which was death) was abolished for those that believe in spirit and truth in Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
If i wanted to give you a gift, and said look i'll pay the price, and you collect it.
There is a gift awaiting all those that:
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
if you do not repent, why would you you think you needed the gift?
Sin was not abolished, the price of sin( which was death) was abolished for those that believe in spirit and truth in Almighty Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
Are you saying that we need to earn the gift, or do something so that we can receive the gift in some way to make it actually valid (as if it was not valid its worth on its own)? If that's the case, then its on par with what roman catholics believe (they believe in co-operation between man and God in justification).
The Bible is clear on that sinners are dead in their trespasses and sins (Eph.2.1-3), that they can not and do not want to understand anything from God's Spirit in that state (1Cor.2:14), since they are fleshly, bearing fruit unto death (Rom.7:5). So, no "free will" applies here. God alone is the one who works all this and when He does it there is no way that it will fail.
Faith is then the instrument by which sinners receive salvation, which is a gift of God. Repentance is also a gift, to God's people (Acts 5:31). This is all based on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ alone. It is not based partly on man.
The Bible is clear on that sinners are dead in their trespasses and sins (Eph.2.1-3), that they can not and do not want to understand anything from God's Spirit in that state (1Cor.2:14), since they are fleshly, bearing fruit unto death (Rom.7:5). So, no "free will" applies here. God alone is the one who works all this and when He does it there is no way that it will fail.
Faith is then the instrument by which sinners receive salvation, which is a gift of God. Repentance is also a gift, to God's people (Acts 5:31). This is all based on the atoning blood and imputed righteousness of Christ alone. It is not based partly on man.
You imply a lot into what I am saying, when I said simply what I said.
By co-operation do you mean, doing things their way and not the way Almighty Yahvah God says?
It is not up for debate between man and Almighty Yahvah God.
you do not co operate as in joint authority, you submit to Almighty Yahvah Gods authority, he is not looking for a co- captain, he is looking for obedience in truth and spirit.
The Bible is very clear on what Almighty Yahvah God expects from us....
It certainly wasn't an advert for a partner in authority..............
We do not take the commandments and decide if we like them or not.
They were written in stone after all.
Sin was not abolished, the price of sin was for all those that believe.
Do you know what sin is?
You are arguing about things that are assumed by all parties. It is not about doing things "our way". The Bible is also clear on what sin is (1John3:4).
But that's not the issue we discuss here. We are discussing justification and who is doing the work in same.
You mentioned submitting to the Lord. Who do you think will submit to Him? A saved man or an unsaved man? Do you believe that He asks or expects anything spiritually good from a soul which is not regenerated? And who is doing the work of regeneration? God alone or God and man? That is what the issue boils down to.
But that's not the issue we discuss here. We are discussing justification and who is doing the work in same.
You mentioned submitting to the Lord. Who do you think will submit to Him? A saved man or an unsaved man? Do you believe that He asks or expects anything spiritually good from a soul which is not regenerated? And who is doing the work of regeneration? God alone or God and man? That is what the issue boils down to.
1And God spake all these words, saying,
2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13Thou shalt not kill.
14Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15Thou shalt not steal.
16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
How can a church that trespasses the Law, be of Almighty Yahvah God?
They will use scripture to break the law, and have people believe they have the authority to do so.
The Bible is full of information, and the fact that people think these churches can over ride it, really does shock me.
The price of sin was paid by the Blood of the Lamb, it was a pardon for our sin. It was not a free pass to sin.
They will use scripture to break the law, and have people believe they have the authority to do so.
The Bible is full of information, and the fact that people think these churches can over ride it, really does shock me.
The price of sin was paid by the Blood of the Lamb, it was a pardon for our sin. It was not a free pass to sin.
You copy and paste the Ten Commandments when we discuss justification(!).
These commandments were given by God to His covenant people, He was asking from them and expecting them to abide by these precepts. It all assumed the covenant. He was not addressing the pagan world or expecting from them to do this.
In like manner regeneration must preceed submitting to God and His standard. The Bible says that unregenerate man neither can nor want to do this, since doing so is a fruit of regeneration. And in regeneration God is the sole agent. But you seem to be saying that there is actually no differance between regenerate men and unregenerate men. If so you thereby give unregenerate men the same qualities and characteristics as regenerate men.
I shall conclude then (from what I gather from your statements made so far and since you have not answered most critical related questions) that you believe, similar to the roman catholics, that there is a co-operation between God and man in justification, that God asks unregenerate man to do that which only regenerate man can do.
These commandments were given by God to His covenant people, He was asking from them and expecting them to abide by these precepts. It all assumed the covenant. He was not addressing the pagan world or expecting from them to do this.
In like manner regeneration must preceed submitting to God and His standard. The Bible says that unregenerate man neither can nor want to do this, since doing so is a fruit of regeneration. And in regeneration God is the sole agent. But you seem to be saying that there is actually no differance between regenerate men and unregenerate men. If so you thereby give unregenerate men the same qualities and characteristics as regenerate men.
I shall conclude then (from what I gather from your statements made so far and since you have not answered most critical related questions) that you believe, similar to the roman catholics, that there is a co-operation between God and man in justification, that God asks unregenerate man to do that which only regenerate man can do.
T
I could not put forward the Bible's teaching on this subject any clearer that you have, brother. Keep up the good work. There are MANY here (and I'm not pointing to anyone in particular in this thread) on this site who think it is within their own power to "accept" Christ and save themselves. They really don't see the truth that man is DEAD in his sins and has no power to do anything pleasing to God. We are regenerated by God in order to believe. If He doesn't take the initial step in making us spiritually alive, then how can dead men take that step themsleves???
As Jesus said "No man can come to me unless the Father draws him". People can call it Calvinism or anything else they wish, but what it really is is Biblical truth. God is sovereign and owes no one anything, wheter they "accept" Him or not. He save us purely by His own grace, with no help from us.
God bless all here.
Tom
As Jesus said "No man can come to me unless the Father draws him". People can call it Calvinism or anything else they wish, but what it really is is Biblical truth. God is sovereign and owes no one anything, wheter they "accept" Him or not. He save us purely by His own grace, with no help from us.
God bless all here.
Tom
What the...........?
Are you for real? You take something simple and make it seem complicated.
The Bible does not ask any of us this question, yet you feel the authority to make up such a statement?
Where did Almighty Yahvah God ask us this question?
If he does not ask us such, then who are you to ask me or anyone else?
It is time to speak up, the truth is important.
Nothing is negotiable you either obey and love in spirit and truth, or you let the rebellion lead you to slaughter.
Glory is to Almighty Yahvah God and to Yahshua our Messiah.
If you over think the truth, you will have missed the point.
We accept, we do not know who will or will not be saved. The Bible does not name us individually.
But it does give much information that will allow us to direct others to the truth.
There is a rebellion, and it is very deceptive. The truth was always going to have to be infiltrated and changed from within over time.
Do not second guess what the Most High will or will not do, simply keep it as it is meant to be simple truth.
Scripture needs to remain in its whole context.
When someone feels the need to take scripture and write a new book, all they are doing is putting their own opinion and idea on show.
The Bible is a book and read Old and New front to back, that way everything will fit into its intended place, and not manipulated into something it isn't.
Nothing is negotiable you either obey and love in spirit and truth, or you let the rebellion lead you to slaughter.
Glory is to Almighty Yahvah God and to Yahshua our Messiah.
If you over think the truth, you will have missed the point.
We accept, we do not know who will or will not be saved. The Bible does not name us individually.
But it does give much information that will allow us to direct others to the truth.
There is a rebellion, and it is very deceptive. The truth was always going to have to be infiltrated and changed from within over time.
Do not second guess what the Most High will or will not do, simply keep it as it is meant to be simple truth.
Scripture needs to remain in its whole context.
When someone feels the need to take scripture and write a new book, all they are doing is putting their own opinion and idea on show.
The Bible is a book and read Old and New front to back, that way everything will fit into its intended place, and not manipulated into something it isn't.
Yes, inseparable but must yet still be distinguished. And we need to know why - and how. There is actually a huge difference between law and gospel in their act and in their object. And, yes, the OT absolutely follows on harmoniously into the NT. The principle of law and gospel is found throughout the whole Bible.
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