Cessation of Gifts
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i apoliogise for not getting back to you - i must of missed your post.
Every Truth that the Father wants for us HE has established thru Witnesses found in His Word - Because there are many false teachers today, it was important to God that His People know the Truth.
The Gifts were established By God for His People - anyone who says that they have 'ceased' is ignorant and lying.
Scripture cannot lie - therefore this Thread was established to PROVE, by Scripture Alone = the TRUTH - Amen
Every Truth that the Father wants for us HE has established thru Witnesses found in His Word - Because there are many false teachers today, it was important to God that His People know the Truth.
The Gifts were established By God for His People - anyone who says that they have 'ceased' is ignorant and lying.
Scripture cannot lie - therefore this Thread was established to PROVE, by Scripture Alone = the TRUTH - Amen
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As usual, your typical mocking and unbelief.
Stay off this thread since it is 'unbiblical' - otherwise show from the Scripture that which is Biblical concerning the baptism of HS7.
When i grew up we had a saying: "Put up or Shut Up"
If you don't like that and think what i just said is "un-Christ like" - let me remind you of the words of Christ.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
Stay off this thread since it is 'unbiblical' - otherwise show from the Scripture that which is Biblical concerning the baptism of HS7.
When i grew up we had a saying: "Put up or Shut Up"
If you don't like that and think what i just said is "un-Christ like" - let me remind you of the words of Christ.
Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
Amen, Precious friend, and The TWO Main ones that should Concern us Most?:
1) Salvation BY WORKS God's Simple Will!
2) water baptism REPLACING God's ONE Baptism
Thus, arguing, biting, and devouring one another over "gifts" is
3) in third place?
Thanks Be To God For ETERNAL Peace!
1) Salvation BY WORKS God's Simple Will!
2) water baptism REPLACING God's ONE Baptism
Thus, arguing, biting, and devouring one another over "gifts" is
3) in third place?
Thanks Be To God For ETERNAL Peace!
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Dave you turn the words in my mouth. I have no unbelieve and also i am not mocking. I just dont believe a manmade unbiblical doctrine. And that you are not able to show me that the bible teach this, shows me that I am not wrong, about this issue.
Every person who is bornagain receives freely the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit gives the believer gifts according His will to build up the church.
Speaking in tongues is a gift like every other gift, too.
But according the pentecostal/charismatic movements speaking in tongues is the proof that someone receives the Holy Spirit. What we have since 1900.
Some believe even that you need the speaking in tongues for to be saved, like the oneness pentecostals which splittet some years after Azusa Street revival.
In the beginning of the pentecostal movement this was combined with practices you will find in spiritism. And later in charismatic movements this happend too.
If you want that only pentecostal/charismatic believer join this thread, you should mention in the beginning of the thread.
But the theme of this thread sounds very open for any view.
Every person who is bornagain receives freely the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit gives the believer gifts according His will to build up the church.
Speaking in tongues is a gift like every other gift, too.
But according the pentecostal/charismatic movements speaking in tongues is the proof that someone receives the Holy Spirit. What we have since 1900.
Some believe even that you need the speaking in tongues for to be saved, like the oneness pentecostals which splittet some years after Azusa Street revival.
In the beginning of the pentecostal movement this was combined with practices you will find in spiritism. And later in charismatic movements this happend too.
If you want that only pentecostal/charismatic believer join this thread, you should mention in the beginning of the thread.
But the theme of this thread sounds very open for any view.
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You have confused error of certain church movements with Scripture.
When you do that, you go on your unbiblical accusations.
In my previous post #232 - i rested my case before the LORD of this evidence from your own words.
If you want to grow in the Lord, go to OP and follow the instructions set forth by the Lord which is:
“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
The Witnesses found in Scripture on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit bear witness against anyone and everyone who dare claim that the Holy Spirit has 'ceased' from bestowing the Gifts as outlined in Acts and 1 Corinthians.
Anyone who asserts that the Gift of Speaking in Tongues is of the devil will be held accountable before the Lord.
When you do that, you go on your unbiblical accusations.
In my previous post #232 - i rested my case before the LORD of this evidence from your own words.
If you want to grow in the Lord, go to OP and follow the instructions set forth by the Lord which is:
“Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
The Witnesses found in Scripture on the Gifts of the Holy Spirit bear witness against anyone and everyone who dare claim that the Holy Spirit has 'ceased' from bestowing the Gifts as outlined in Acts and 1 Corinthians.
Anyone who asserts that the Gift of Speaking in Tongues is of the devil will be held accountable before the Lord.
God and His Spirit will often remain silent when in the midst of a doubters. It may not be your own doubt as much as that of the circle you are affiliated with at any given time. This has been my personal experience. God bless you, Aidan. Keep seeking the good things of the Lord. We shall all meet Him face to face someday. PTL!
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Maby you should read my last post 231 again,
I go little more in Detail.
I never heared some teaching that speaking in tongues is like all other gifts, mentioned in 1. Cor 12 or Romans 12, 4-8 ( where no gift of speaking in tongues is mentioned)
Acts is not teaching about speaking in tongues. It tells from the beginning of the church through coming of the Holy Spirit. And as sign for his coming he gave the Speaking in tongues ( languages). And for the jews to know that the Holy Spirit came for all he repeat this with the Samaritans ( Acts 8) the gentiles (Acts 10) and the disciples of John the baptist( Acts 19)
Instead pentecostals and charismatics teach the gift of speaking in tongues always combined with the baptising with the Holy Spirit.
The practice of this teaching you find not before 1900. You find speaking in tongues before 1900 in the newer time almost in cults like new apostolic church.
Well, i often enough repeating this.
Because it was not taught in the bible to other believers I dont see a reason to trust this doctrine.
In opposit Paul taught very clear that not all believers will get the gift of speaking in tongues and the prefer more the gift of prphecie then the gift of speaking in tongues.
I go little more in Detail.
I never heared some teaching that speaking in tongues is like all other gifts, mentioned in 1. Cor 12 or Romans 12, 4-8 ( where no gift of speaking in tongues is mentioned)
Acts is not teaching about speaking in tongues. It tells from the beginning of the church through coming of the Holy Spirit. And as sign for his coming he gave the Speaking in tongues ( languages). And for the jews to know that the Holy Spirit came for all he repeat this with the Samaritans ( Acts 8) the gentiles (Acts 10) and the disciples of John the baptist( Acts 19)
Instead pentecostals and charismatics teach the gift of speaking in tongues always combined with the baptising with the Holy Spirit.
The practice of this teaching you find not before 1900. You find speaking in tongues before 1900 in the newer time almost in cults like new apostolic church.
Well, i often enough repeating this.
Because it was not taught in the bible to other believers I dont see a reason to trust this doctrine.
In opposit Paul taught very clear that not all believers will get the gift of speaking in tongues and the prefer more the gift of prphecie then the gift of speaking in tongues.
It is for you, Aidan. If you can't believe that God still does, then at least believe that God still can. Even this pleases Him very much.
Hebrews
11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Hebrews
11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.
11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
11:6 But without faith [it is] impossible to please [him]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [that] he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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